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Okay work with me on this one. It's the Hulk infected with Venom's Alien Symbiote vs. The Human Torch who has sold his soul and has Ghost Rider powers (in addition to his own).

Just some interesting combinations of Superpowers I thought about reading some of the other posts.


Discuss.

Venoms weakness is fire, So torch Ghosty has the ups for that.
But Hulk once he's wounded he'll get even stronger, atleast that's what I've been toled.
The Rider burns souls, damn I'de have to say its the Matchstick for this one!

Dead Metal wrote:The Rider burns souls, damn I'd have to say its the Matchstick for this one!

BUT, does the Alien Symbiote
A.) Have even one soul or maybe multiple souls.
B.) Even have morals to be repentant for.


The Symbiote may be susceptible to fire but the Hulk's "madder makes me stronger" might cancel it out.

just some more to chew on.


Discuss.

Knight Hawk wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:The Rider burns souls, damn I'd have to say its the Matchstick for this one!

BUT, does the Alien Symbiote
A.) Have even one soul or maybe multiple souls.
B.) Even have morals to be repentant for.


The Symbiote may be susceptible to fire but the Hulk's "madder makes me stronger" might cancel it out.

just some more to chew on.


Discuss.

The Symbiot has morals, and in my opinion Souls are the electric energy that floes throe the brain aka, the memory!
Seeing that Venom kinda eats that to, I'de say he has a few.

Dead Metal wrote:The Symbiot has morals, and in my opinion Souls are the electric energy that floes throe the brain aka, the memory!
Seeing that Venom kinda eats that to, I'de say he has a few.

The symbiote may have multiple souls, but i still feel that due to their set of values their morals are in check. they've done nothing that their society would consider evil therefore within their moral standards they are good. maybe not in our set but in theirs which when dealing with a penance stare is all that matters.

The definition of souls could mean many different things therefore it is in itself an infinitely discussable topic.

All in all this would be a fun matchup to watch, but no prediction from me yet.

Knight Hawk wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:The Symbiot has morals, and in my opinion Souls are the electric energy that floes throe the brain aka, the memory!
Seeing that Venom kinda eats that to, I'de say he has a few.

The symbiote may have multiple souls, but i still feel that due to their set of values their morals are in check. they've done nothing that their society would consider evil therefore within their moral standards they are good. maybe not in our set but in theirs which when dealing with a penance stare is all that matters.

The definition of souls could mean many different things therefore it is in itself an infinitely discussable topic.

All in all this would be a fun matchup to watch, but no prediction from me yet.

Yea but the Stare also worked on Doc Strange!
And he didn't do anything wrong!

Dead Metal wrote:

Knight Hawk wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:The Symbiot has morals, and in my opinion Souls are the electric energy that floes throe the brain aka, the memory!
Seeing that Venom kinda eats that to, I'de say he has a few.

The symbiote may have multiple souls, but i still feel that due to their set of values their morals are in check. they've done nothing that their society would consider evil therefore within their moral standards they are good. maybe not in our set but in theirs which when dealing with a penance stare is all that matters.

The definition of souls could mean many different things therefore it is in itself an infinitely discussable topic.

All in all this would be a fun matchup to watch, but no prediction from me yet.

Yea but the Stare also worked on Doc Strange!
And he didn't do anything wrong!

but he also belonged to GR's moral views therefore at some point he must have done something?

Venom is IMMUNE to the Penance Stare.
Ghost Rider once used it on Venom and ended up getting a backlash instead.

Nemesis Optronix wrote:Venom is IMMUNE to the Penance Stare.
Ghost Rider once used it on Venom and ended up getting a backlash instead.

Must read that comic!

No poor Strange didn't do anything he just wanted to talk Ghosty out of something.
So Ghosty thought that the Doc was Satan.

WEll now with the penance stare resolved that leaves us with super strong symbiote vs. Super Brimstone Flame.

Dead Metal wrote:

Nemesis Optronix wrote:Venom is IMMUNE to the Penance Stare.
Ghost Rider once used it on Venom and ended up getting a backlash instead.

Must read that comic!

No poor Strange didn't do anything he just wanted to talk Ghosty out of something.
So Ghosty thought that the Doc was Satan.

He was misled by Lucifer.
it was one of the more recent series.

If hulk's gamma radiated anger issues can't protect the external smybiote suit, then it doesn't really matter that Venom is immune to the pennance stare.

Ghosttorch would just go near supernova to rid Bruce of the symbiote then give the Hulk his evil eye technique.

"Flame On" with a "Pennance Stare" ftw

Yes but with the hulks anger making him stronger the hotter it got wouldn't that also in turn make the Symbiote stronger and help it resist the fire?

Knight Hawk wrote:Yes but with the hulks anger making him stronger the hotter it got wouldn't that also in turn make the Symbiote stronger and help it resist the fire?

Yea it would!

Dead Metal wrote:

Knight Hawk wrote:Yes but with the hulks anger making him stronger the hotter it got wouldn't that also in turn make the Symbiote stronger and help it resist the fire?

Yea it would!

So your saying Hulk can protect the external smybiote suit

No I'm saying that since the Symbiote feeds off its host, as the hulk got madder/stronger the more the symbiote could feed thus the more powerful it would become.... hell the symbiote itself being attached to the hulk might continually make hte hulk madder.....

So the more the symbiote feeds, the more powerful it becomes..

I don't think the external symbiote has ever been powerful enough to be considered fireproof, though. That's all I'm saying.

Once the Symbiot has merged with it's host, it and it's host share there powers and pain!

Oh btw Ghostie can use his metal chain to make sound frequencies that will weaken Venom's symbiote.

ZeroZero. wrote:Oh btw Ghostie can use his metal chain to make sound frequencies that will weaken Venom's symbiote.

Which coses pain to the alien who shares it with the Hulk, making him mad.

Dead Metal wrote:

ZeroZero. wrote:Oh btw Ghostie can use his metal chain to make sound frequencies that will weaken Venom's symbiote.

Which coses pain to the alien who shares it with the Hulk, making him mad.

which makes him stronger and of which the symbiote can feed and become stronger

Dead Metal wrote:Once the Symbiot has merged with it's host, it and it's host share there powers and pain!

See I thought once the venom Symbiot has merged with it's host, the symbiote can enhance the hosts powers and share the use of it's own inherant abilities. There minds would also be linked, sharing there thoughts and emotions.

The venom symbiote has specifically shown the capacity to grant preportional spiderman powers to Eddie Brock hence the phrase "the stronger I am, the stronger we become." The host is the base that the symbiote enhances. The symbiote has yet to prove capable of gaining a resistance to his stated weaknesses of sound or flame.

This opponent has both. While hulk will become stronger and angrier, it still doesn't keep the symbiote from wanting to get away from the situation.

The venom symbiote is capable of dominating the host but preferred at one time to co-habit (that is primarily what separates this symbiote from its predessesors) With his current host, Mac Gargan, he has shown dominance to the point of possibly having total control. It would be foolish to think The proportional powers of a spider we simply added to the scorpion power base though; still his abilities have been enhanced beyond previous limits while the symbiote shares his a spider sense and even shields him from parker's. This version of the venom symbiote would likely prefer control over a savage Hulk.

Again, when the venom symbiote is strongest, it has never shown to be immune to fire or sound. Having a host that is resistant doesn't actually make the symbiot resistant either. Having a host with a protective barrier would though.

While using the venom symbiote to see, the Hulk will be protected from the penance stare. Should the symbiot hide internally with in Banner, he would be protected from the nova level hell fire of his foe. The sonic frequencies that Hulk hears, the venom symbiote will be forced to hear as well. This will bring us back to The venom symbiote wanting to escape the current scenario, going external of Hulk.

The level of fire would incinerate any exposed portion of the symbiote on contact. To leave Bruce would mean his doom. If hulk is experiencing pain on the level that the symbiot is, even Savage Hulk would rather escape, less we forget wolverine as death making hulk scared. The pain that the venom symbiote experiences is far greater than what the child like savage hulk mind would be ready for.

World/Planet Hulk would just be rid of the symbiote and kill Johny Storm to spite Reed Richards. Weather there is a forced Penance stare, and even it's effects regarding his mind, is uncertain. Johny would want to keep his distance while the spirit of vengeance would want to get up close and personal. Either case, I don't see the Venom symbiote surviving this fight.

Further, Ghost rider's host, while not specifically stated, seemingly can't die while possessed.

True, but as the Symbiot was one with Eddie, it did resist the Fire long enough to save the Bastered they wanted to kill in There first miniseries.
But I forgot about the mind sharing.
It's been a long time since they made a good Venom story, no havn't got the new one in the hospital yet, not out in Germany.

Wikipedia wrote:The creature that would ultimately become Venom was born to a race of extra-terrestrial parasites, which lived by possessing the bodies of other lifeforms. The parasites would endow their victims with enhanced physical abilities, at the cost of fatally draining them of adrenaline.

According to the Planet Of The Symbiotes storyline, the Venom symbiote was deemed insane by its own race after it was discovered that it desired to commit to its host rather than use it up. The symbiote was then imprisoned on Battleworld to ensure it didn't pollute the species' gene pool.

- Thus the angrier the Hulk would get, the more gamma-laced adrenaline there would be for the Symbiote to feed on. This would make itself stronger (who knows how much stronger) and making its hos, the hulk, stronger yet. Thus just by being attached to the Hulk the symbiote would create an Infinite Power source for itself. With an UNLIMITED power source I think the Symbiote might just be able to develop a resistance to fire/sound.

It's not a unlimited power supply, but an unlimited food source. This is leaving out the other part of there diet consisting of a portion of the host brain. That is why Venom, both past and present, would eat a portion of there victim's brain instead. If none of the symbiotes have shown to develope a resistant to fire and or sound, why would it be different now?

Humantorch can get as hot as a star. I'm thinking any Hulk trying to smash a small star would still be a bad idea, yet your certain the venom symbiote would resist this heat let alone the sound caused by the differential pressure. At this point, it would require an immunity to both.

I just don't see how or why that would happen.

This sounds very close to putting Superman in an IronMaden made from Kryptonite then bombarding it with magical energy on par with Captain Marvel's shazam bolt. I would expect the S-Man to die being exposed to his ownly two weaknesses in this fashion. So I would think it be safe to expect the symbiote to die as well.

but i could be wrong...