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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Qwan » Fri May 18, 2018 7:35 am

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william-james88 wrote:Serious question: Is Machinima's Generations series the worst TF show ever done? Is it truly worst than Energon? I think if you include the hype machine (which inclues the CEO of Hasbro himself) and how much this fails to deliver, it might indeed be worse.
I think if we do count the disparity between hype and actual quality, this may well be the worst we've ever seen. Energon had to be an average show that existed on the airwaves to advertise toys to kids. These shows had to be the oft-quoted "Game of Thrones of animation". I don't know whether or not CW and brethren are actually worse than any other Transformers media or not, but taking into account prior expectations, these shows absolutely fell the furthest.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Fri May 18, 2018 8:47 am

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william-james88 wrote:Serious question: Is Machinima's Generations series the worst TF show ever done? Is it truly worst than Energon? I think if you include the hype machine (which inclues the CEO of Hasbro himself) and how much this fails to deliver, it might indeed be worse.
Many argue that either Energon or The Headmasters are still worse.


I actually like Headmasters quite a bit. And Energon, for all its flaws wasn't horrible, until it kept going and then...and then...and then... If they had ended it with the fight between Unicron and Omega Superme, I don't think it would be as derided today. I know I am the outlier here, but I actually manage to enjoy Energon somewhat (at least the earlier episodes), unlike Armada, and Cybertron, which I really cant watch at all.

Honestly, I don't even consider these Machinima entries a *True* Transformers series, just a weird little oddity of shorts. What we should be comparing this to is things like

1.Robot Masters
2.Transformers:Universe
3.Transformers: Beginnings
4.Transformers: Cyber Missions
5.Transformers GO!

For me personally, I separate these from actual true Transformers series. And admittedly, while I have not seen all of thme, I think we should try to rank all of these, and see where the Prime wars Trilogy would rank among these. Just my opinion of course, but among the shorts listed above, where would Prime Wars fall..???
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri May 18, 2018 9:25 am

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o.supreme wrote:I actually like Headmasters quite a bit.
I do too. But many in this fandom regard it as the single most boring TF cartoon ever made, while Energon and these Prime Wars Trilogy shows are more "hilariously bad" in ways that at least leave some value of amusement that allows people to laugh at how bonkers they are, whilst The Headmasters, they argue, is vapidly dull to the point of having zero entertainment value outside of the "hilariously bad" Malaysian English dub.

I don't conform to this viewpoint, but it is out there.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Fri May 18, 2018 11:52 am

Sabrblade wrote:these Prime Wars Trilogy shows are more "hilariously bad".


I am not laughing
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Bronzewolf » Fri May 18, 2018 12:05 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:these Prime Wars Trilogy shows are more "hilariously bad".


I am not laughing

In fact, I'm screaming.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri May 18, 2018 2:00 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:these Prime Wars Trilogy shows are more "hilariously bad".


I am not laughing

In fact, I'm screaming.

Well that's only because you're forced to watch them like the guy in a clockwork orange (or the chicken in the robot chicken intro) it's not like you get to spoof it with robot cohosts ;-)

I consider this to be the worst series, and for the record, I enjoyed the headmasters.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri May 18, 2018 2:27 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:these Prime Wars Trilogy shows are more "hilariously bad".


I am not laughing

In fact, I'm screaming.
Ah, but, see, that's what happens when we take a serious look at these shows. By "hilariously bad", I meant that these shows are chock full of material that is ripe for MST3K-style lambasting (as your write-ups have shown time and again). We can look back on these shows' badness and laugh at the pure insanity of "What were they thinking?!" that they presented us with.

Whereas those who would argue that The Headmasters, in its native language, doesn't even have that value as, to them, it's just so boring and empty with nothing worth enough to mock and make fun of.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Bronzewolf » Fri May 18, 2018 3:29 pm

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Hmmm... Great, now I have to stop myself from making a MST3k ripoff centered around riffing this series. Ugh :twisted:
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri May 18, 2018 3:37 pm

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It's shows like this that are enough to make one wish that MSTF was still a thing, since these three shows were practically made for MSTF to poke fun at.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri May 18, 2018 3:53 pm

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Bronzewolf wrote:Ha! Fun fact, actually, I built a replica Tom Servo for a con last year. My love for robots extends giant transforming ones.
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Hmmm... Great, now I have to stop myself from making a MST3k ripoff centered around riffing this series. Ugh :twisted:

That is awesome...and I support any and all attempts to riff on this...try and rope more staff into doing it with you ;-)
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Bronzewolf » Fri May 18, 2018 4:06 pm

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Bronzewolf wrote:Ha! Fun fact, actually, I built a replica Tom Servo for a con last year. My love for robots extends giant transforming ones.
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Hmmm... Great, now I have to stop myself from making a MST3k ripoff centered around riffing this series. Ugh :twisted:

That is awesome...and I support any and all attempts to riff on this...try and rope more staff into doing it with you ;-)

We could make it audio only, ala rifftrax. That would make it considerably easier to get other staff in on it... :-? We could do other shows, too. Headmasters, Unicron trilogy.
We gotta slide a bit back on topic, though. I'll run it by some staff, maybe make a thread and gauge interest...
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri May 18, 2018 4:36 pm

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I was thinking audio only would be best then people could listen to it over whatever it was you were making fun of.

As for this series, how many episodes will there be? I may have missed it already but it would be good to know how much time they've wasted on...well, not a lot
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri May 18, 2018 4:40 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:As for this series, how many episodes will there be? I may have missed it already but it would be good to know how much time they've wasted on...well, not a lot
Ten episodes.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Seibertron » Fri May 18, 2018 11:36 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Many argue that either Energon or The Headmasters are still worse.


Who argues that Headmasters is one of the worst? Energon seems to be equally despised along with the Prime Wars cartoons. I don't know that I've ever seen that opinion about Headmasters being on the same level as Energon before. I've seen some people complain about it, but no more so than G1 or the other cell animated Transformers cartoons. Headmasters is certainly better than Neo and BWII in my opinion. Masterforce, Headmasters and Victory are some of my all time favorites to this day.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sat May 19, 2018 1:49 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:As for this series, how many episodes will there be? I may have missed it already but it would be good to know how much time they've wasted on...well, not a lot
Ten episodes.

Thanks sabr, so we're down almost a third of the series and only just made it out of the swamp.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sat May 19, 2018 8:46 am

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Sabrblade wrote:Many argue that either Energon or The Headmasters are still worse.


Who argues that Headmasters is one of the worst?
Lots of people in this fandom. Time and again I've had to speak up for how Energon is worse than The Headmasters and not vice-versa. The people who claim The Headmasters is worse consider it the dullest, most vapidly boring TF cartoon ever made, claiming that almost nothing engaging or remotely fun or interesting happens over the course of it, with anything potentially interesting in the series being wasted by mediocre execution, and all the characters (including the pre-1987 characters, but minus Sixshot) being stale and bland compared to their more colorfully-depicted American counterparts from the G1 cartoon, while also arguing that the only enjoyable thing about The Headmasters is its awful Malaysian English dub that turns the show from being lifelessly bad to being hilariously bad.

I myself don't agree with this assessment, but it is out there, and I've had to face it many times over.

As for Masterforce and Victory, these people do consider those to be drastic improvements over The Headmasters.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Sat May 19, 2018 11:45 am

There is lots of good stuff to be had with headmasters (unlike these Prime trilogy shows which just feel so weak). For instance, that Mystery of the Space Pirate Ship is stellar.

If anyone out there is interested in the good stuff this series had to offer, here is our top 5 https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... des/34089/
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sat May 19, 2018 11:52 am

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Hey will, who you punishing with the top 5 prime wars trilogy episodes :-P
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Sat May 19, 2018 12:01 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:Hey will, who you punishing with the top 5 prime wars trilogy episodes :-P

Probably the same guy who does the reviews MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Or we might go 5 worst episodes and make it more fun
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon May 21, 2018 10:12 pm

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Episode 4: "Primal"

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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon May 21, 2018 10:35 pm

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The Closed Captions misspell Perceptor's first utterance of Predaking's name as "Predicaking".

First Predaking is willing to stand and wait around with everyone at the end of last episode, but now is back to wanting to attack them in this episode.

Then Volcanicus suddenly wants to attack Predaking despite having been giving no provocative reason to since he previously wanted to attack the others instead.

Victorion says the D-word.

When Megatron first meets Optimus Primal, he actually tries to be witty and quipping again, but because he also has to be all serious in this scene, his quips come off as no longer fun anymore. This show has sucked the fun out of Megatron. :-(

The Closed Captions typo Optimus Primal's line of "You were warned" as "Your warn."

Like Devastator back in Combiner Wars, Predaking for some reason claims to work for Megatron no longer. Is there no one still loyal to Megatron anymore?

Volcanicus apparently has his butt stuck in a pond.

While his combination sequence in episode 1 was purely mechanical (as it should be), Volcanicus's decombination sequence seen here is a cheat that turns all his components into balls of light that break apart before returning to their solid Dinobot shapes.

And of course, as everyone and their mother expected, the "My name... is Optimus Primal" bit is used as this episode's final shot.
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Machinima Transformers: Power of the Primes Episode 4 'Primal' Now Online

Postby Va'al » Tue May 22, 2018 1:28 am

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As it's Tuesday in several parts of the world, that also means a new episode of the Machinima Transformers: Power of the Primes animated series is now available on a number of online platforms! Episode 4, 'Primal' - featuring you'll never guess who - can be viewed directly at its go90 streaming page for viewers in the US here. All other viewers can access the episode over at the official Tumblr page for the series, along with all previous episodes, here.

And make sure to stay tuned to Seibertron.com for our review of the fourth episode, courtesy of brave staff member Bronzeewolf later today or tomorrow!

Transformers: Prime Wars Trilogy S3:E4 Primal

With our heroes cornered, Predaking demands Victorion hand over the Enigma of Combination. Inside the mysterious dome, Megatron finds the Requiem Blaster, but is confronted by a mysterious figure guarding it.


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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Tue May 22, 2018 3:10 am

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ON THIS WEEKS EPISODE OF POWER OF THE PRIMES

Megatron wrestles with a monkey
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Volcanicus falls into a hole
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And Perceptor punches Predaking
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See! That's how you improve the show, just have Jeremy Clarkson preview the episode.

Dialogue is still atrocious ... despite Megatron swearing. And Megatron walks really slowly.

Oh and as you would expect, the story still moves slowly.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Qwan » Tue May 22, 2018 3:37 am

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ON THIS WEEKS EPISODE OF POWER OF THE PRIMES

Megatron wrestles with a monkey

Volcanicus falls into a hole

And Perceptor punches Predaking


See! That's how you improve the show, just have Jeremy Clarkson preview the episode.

Dialogue is still atrocious ... despite Megatron swearing. And Megatron walks really slowly.

Oh and as you would expect, the story still moves slowly.

I had more fun reading this post than I did watching the entire episode.

How every single one of these episodes manages to be simultaneously the most hilarious, most frustrating and most tedious thing I've ever seen, is beyond my comprehension.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Tue May 22, 2018 4:39 am

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Qwan wrote:I had more fun reading this post than I did watching the entire episode.

I've wasted too much time sitting watching this trilogy and just tearing it apart in my head. I reached a point today watching this episode where I decided to just try to make it a little more fun.

And Jeremy Clarksons voice helped with that.
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