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This thing looks absolutely hideous. I mean, I have nothing nice to say about this at all. The face is atrocious, the robot mode looks...bleh, and the jet mode is pretty lame too.

Not understanding what people like about this. I mean, those hips!

Delta Magnus wrote:This thing looks absolutely hideous. I mean, I have nothing nice to say about this at all. The face is atrocious, the robot mode looks...bleh, and the jet mode is pretty lame too.

Not understanding what people like about this. I mean, those hips!

Also think this looks terrible in all modes. Always thought it was a ugly, Weirdly sculpted toy. Don't care for the engineering and joints tech either.

Think HasTak did a more than fine job creating a Skyfire cartoon update toy in the form of Classics 1.0 Voyager Jetfire.

Love the Upcoming HasTak 30th Leader Jetfire toy. As it's a fusion of a 1985 Jetfire toy jet mode with a 1985 Skyfire cartoon robot mode.

Guess what? they're still alive!

Hello Fans.Sorry for the long break without updates but we have been working on the corrections people wanted and things are finally complete.So we want to let everyone know Sky Guardian is still going to be released and soon.Please let us know your favorite retailers we should contact to set up preorders or you can contact them and let them know you want Mechaform's Sky Guardian in there offerings.Retailers can reach us at sales@mechaform.com.More updates to follow

Hell yeah !!!!

I want a real skyfire that doesnt transform into an out of scale fighter jet. The whole macross thing doesnt work for classics scale. I need that cybertronian cargo jet.

Rated X wrote:Hell yeah !!!!

I want a real skyfire that doesnt transform into an out of scale fighter jet. The whole macross thing doesnt work for classics scale. I need that cybertronian cargo jet.

I'm really happy for you, but it sounds like you have some work to do to make this happen.

you can contact them and let them know you want Mechaform's Sky Guardian in there offerings

time for you to contact all your retailers!

mooncake623 wrote:

Rated X wrote:Hell yeah !!!!

I want a real skyfire that doesnt transform into an out of scale fighter jet. The whole macross thing doesnt work for classics scale. I need that cybertronian cargo jet.

I'm really happy for you, but it sounds like you have some work to do to make this happen.

you can contact them and let them know you want Mechaform's Sky Guardian in there offerings

time for you to contact all your retailers!

Im inclined to believe it will be mecha form who will be contacting the big 3 (BBTS, TFsource,Robotkingdom) If my retailer of choice was uncle billy or kapow, then Id be worried and start sending out e-mails. Bottom li e is they said its being produced so somebodys gonna be selling it. Even kronos got around to everybody and that run was supposedly very limited.

Rated X wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:

Rated X wrote:Hell yeah !!!!

I want a real skyfire that doesnt transform into an out of scale fighter jet. The whole macross thing doesnt work for classics scale. I need that cybertronian cargo jet.

I'm really happy for you, but it sounds like you have some work to do to make this happen.

you can contact them and let them know you want Mechaform's Sky Guardian in there offerings

time for you to contact all your retailers!

Im inclined to believe it will be mecha form who will be contacting the big 3 (BBTS, TFsource,Robotkingdom) If my retailer of choice was uncle billy or kapow, then Id be worried and start sending out e-mails. Bottom li e is they said its being produced so somebodys gonna be selling it. Even kronos got around to everybody and that run was supposedly very limited.

I'm sure they'll contact everyone, but what I'm getting from reading that is that they're afraid that the retailers might not want to carry their stuff and they want their fans to tell them to do so.

mooncake623 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:

Rated X wrote:Hell yeah !!!!

I want a real skyfire that doesnt transform into an out of scale fighter jet. The whole macross thing doesnt work for classics scale. I need that cybertronian cargo jet.

I'm really happy for you, but it sounds like you have some work to do to make this happen.

you can contact them and let them know you want Mechaform's Sky Guardian in there offerings

time for you to contact all your retailers!

Im inclined to believe it will be mecha form who will be contacting the big 3 (BBTS, TFsource,Robotkingdom) If my retailer of choice was uncle billy or kapow, then Id be worried and start sending out e-mails. Bottom li e is they said its being produced so somebodys gonna be selling it. Even kronos got around to everybody and that run was supposedly very limited.

I'm sure they'll contact everyone, but what I'm getting from reading that is that they're afraid that the retailers might not want to carry their stuff and they want their fans to tell them to do so.

Without more detailed pictures and possibly some review samples sent out, what's the point of "fans" asking their retailers to carry the product? This is still an unproven company, no idea of the pricing much less the quality. Maybe it's just because I'm not interested in this product.

Here you go X! Gogogogo!

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=MEF10000&mode=retail

Looks very nice. But that price...

Pre-ordered on the spot ! I always hated hasbros choice to go with the out of scale huge MP size fighter jet for the alt mode. Skyfire was not a fighter jet. He was a huge multi-level cybertronian cargo jet and this figure does him justice. Yeah the price kinda sucks but whatever. This is one of those cases where you have to treat yourself.

Rated X wrote:Pre-ordered on the spot ! I always hated hasbros choice to go with the out of scale huge MP size fighter jet for the alt mode. Skyfire was not a fighter jet. He was a huge multi-level cybertronian cargo jet and this figure does him justice. Yeah the price kinda sucks but whatever. This is one of those cases where you have to treat yourself.

Let us know how it is. I don't think many people will be getting it.

Jesus, that's pretty bad. The hips and face are especially tragic.

mooncake623 wrote:

Rated X wrote:Pre-ordered on the spot ! I always hated hasbros choice to go with the out of scale huge MP size fighter jet for the alt mode. Skyfire was not a fighter jet. He was a huge multi-level cybertronian cargo jet and this figure does him justice. Yeah the price kinda sucks but whatever. This is one of those cases where you have to treat yourself.

Let us know how it is. I don't think many people will be getting it.

Not me, that's for damned sure. I got the Classics and the Generations Skyfire and both are pretty darned good. This looks hideous.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:

Rated X wrote:Pre-ordered on the spot ! I always hated hasbros choice to go with the out of scale huge MP size fighter jet for the alt mode. Skyfire was not a fighter jet. He was a huge multi-level cybertronian cargo jet and this figure does him justice. Yeah the price kinda sucks but whatever. This is one of those cases where you have to treat yourself.

Let us know how it is. I don't think many people will be getting it.

Not me, that's for damned sure. I got the Classics and the Generations Skyfire and both are pretty darned good. This looks hideous.

I own the hasbro skyfire too but I just cant stomach their alt mode. If the cockpit was any bigger it could fit GI Joes for crying out loud. So for me its all about the proper jet mode. Some people are complaining about the hips and face, but honestly Im not seeing what theyre seeing. Its pretty much on par with what you can expect from standard hasbro aesthetic which is a good thing. I dont need tons of extra lines and details or silly samauri styly hip armor. This is basically a CHUG scale kronos. Hopefully they made improvements in the transformation and engineering.

Yeah, and Kronos was awful too...

It's funny , MF said they made changes "fans" wanted to the face and hips and I can't tell a Fn difference

They also posted pics and in everyone the hips were blocked by its gun.

Delta Magnus wrote:Yeah, and Kronos was awful too...

Well kronos was a piece of crP because of brittle plastic and floppyness during its transformation.

The cool thing here is that this skyfire actually transforms with the jets cockpit ending up where it was supposed to be. Hasbro totally dodged that and gave us a fake cockpit in robot mode, most likely to retain the silly "best of both worlds" gimmick with the vintage toy alt mode. This figure corrects all of that. You being a fan of super complex transformations, im suprised you support hasbros use of the fake cockpit...

Also im trying to see what fans dont like about the hips and face (im really trying) but I just dont see it. I mean really its not there. When I look at the face, I see the G1 cartoon which is exactly what I want. As far as the hips, all I notice is theres no bruticus waist plate or samurai style hip guards which seem to be fan favorites on 3rd party figures. Not so much my thing, especially the hip guards. So you see the thighs connect to the crotch...who cares ? Big deal. The planet x dinobots have the same type of legs with no waist/hip covers and nobody complains. Same thing with many hasbro figures.

It's quite obviously not the same though. The Planet X Dinobots have very unobtrusive looking pelvises that, even without skirting, still look fairly normal, and at the very least on-model to the game designs. Look at the hips. Huge chunks of what should be his pelvis detailing are instead attached to his upper thighs. It looks like pieces of his pelvis have been sawn off and glued onto his legs, which aren't properly attached and are instead floating in place. It just doesn't work and it's not even got the excuse of cartoon accuracy- the jet mode, as ugly and brickish as it is, at least has the excuse of looking like the G1 cartoon model. What they should have done is done a Gundam-style arrangement of "hip skirts" made of multiple hinged panels covering the hip joints.

As for Generations Jetfire, whilst he isn't a perfect figure he's hardly a bad one- he's decently poseable and looks good aside from a few hollow bits, and his jet mode (which is actually to scale with deluxe cars) is fantastic. Granted I don't think it works so well for the Seekers (I prefer Seekers Voyager-sized) but for Jetfire it works wonders. Also it's a nice shoutout to his roots as a reused Macross toy, and a damn fine looking jet to boot.

Maybe if you can coax him into leaving a bag over his face while on display. Jeez, I'm not even sure a mother could love it.

Still trying to see whats wrong with the face that everyone's complaining about. I just dont see it. I see the G1 cartoon. I see more or less the same aesthetic as the hasbro versions face give or take. Ill tell you what I do notice though. He has a nose and doesnt have a stupid smirk like those tf prime and RID faces everybody glorifies.

Yeah, that face could definitely be better. And I second the hip comments; why not go with the "skirt" thing most toon-striving toys go for?

Nobody's said anything about their either, but I hate the Autobot logo placement indicator being so defined. I can't see a ready made faction symbol going there nicely, and that means extra dough spent on getting a hypothetical Reprolabes sticker to get the look juuuuuust right.

Well, I was never likely to get this. Generations Jetfire fills my Jet/Skyfire needs well enough and I have that black Jetfire for my Decepticons, so both looks are in play.

Rated X wrote:Still trying to see whats wrong with the face that everyone's complaining about. I just dont see it. I see the G1 cartoon. I see more or less the same aesthetic as the hasbro versions face give or take. Ill tell you what I do notice though. He has a nose and doesnt have a stupid smirk like those tf prime and RID faces everybody glorifies.

mooncake623 wrote:

Rated X wrote:Still trying to see whats wrong with the face that everyone's complaining about. I just dont see it. I see the G1 cartoon. I see more or less the same aesthetic as the hasbro versions face give or take. Ill tell you what I do notice though. He has a nose and doesnt have a stupid smirk like those tf prime and RID faces everybody glorifies.

Looks on par to me. Funpub has butchered heads a lot worse.

I could understand the hate for the IT Tetra Jet heads, but I think the negativity for this one is exaggerated. Ditto for the hips. I tend to look at figures for what they are, not what they aren't. In this case, I see a screen accurate Skyfire. For me, its worth the price. I hated the Macross jet being in Transformers to begin with. The G1 cartoon gave the character a real identity instead of being a Robotech repaint.