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In the prequel it says he crash lands here a million years before human existence... why the hell didn't Starscream just claim the thrown after he was gone for so long. And I'm surprised it took the rest of the Decepticons to almost a million years to find their way to earth to look for him. You'd think they might send out a search party after the first hundred years or so???? Instead in the 4 part comic it seems the Decepticons leave not far behind Megatron.... I'm so damn confused!!!

How long does it take to get from Cybertron to earth anyway... jeez!!!

Is it going to take Starscream that long to return?

Thoughts?

It's a big universe.

They had no idea where Megatron or the AllSpark even was.

So yes, it could take that long to find him.

As for Starscream taking over. Why should he?

Why Starscream didn't just take over...

May be he's smarter than his G1 counterpart. If he is the Air Commander, then he already had a third of the Decepticon forces under his wing if not more. He was in a trusted possition and could have easily stalled the rescue efforts for finding Megatron.

With enough political pull he even lead the retreival unit to locate there missinmg leader. A possible setup for treatury? perhaps.

With Starscream the sole surviver with flight capabilities, it becomes his story to tell.

If they travel in something faster than a protoform pod no, but I'ld assume there is a small time jump for the next movie. Long enough for the earth bound bots to adjust.

Did anyone else who saw the WalMart "Beginnings" prequel find it amusing that Megs supposedly crashed "Four million years ago"

Let it never be said that G1 does not still have its claws firmly embedded in the modern TF continuities.

It takes about 43,200,000... milliseconds to travel from Cybertron to Earth!

As we have seen in both the 1986 Movie, and 2007 Movie, it won't take 12 hours to make that trip!

Savage wrote:Did anyone else who saw the WalMart "Beginnings" prequel find it amusing that Megs supposedly crashed "Four million years ago"

Let it never be said that G1 does not still have its claws firmly embedded in the modern TF continuities.

I noticed it, and the Mrs. laughed when she saw it.
However, in the movie, doesn't Banacheck say NBE-1 crashed "10 thousand years ago."?

Auto Bot wrote:It takes about 43,200,000... milliseconds to travel from Cybertron to Earth!

As we have seen in both the 1986 Movie, and 2007 Movie, it won't take 12 hours to make that trip!

What are you basing that on?

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Savage wrote:Did anyone else who saw the WalMart "Beginnings" prequel find it amusing that Megs supposedly crashed "Four million years ago"

Let it never be said that G1 does not still have its claws firmly embedded in the modern TF continuities.

I noticed it, and the Mrs. laughed when she saw it.
However, in the movie, doesn't Banacheck say NBE-1 crashed "10 thousand years ago."?

Yeah, he does say something like "we estimate" or "we think" so i use that to pretend they just didnt realise how long Megs had really been there.

I thought he just said, "...Thousands of years..."

POCimus Overdrive wrote:I thought he just said, "...Thousands of years..."

I think what he actually said was "carbon dating puts the CUBE here at approximately 10,000 BC".

He never mentioned any dating on Megatron I don't think. I seem to remember the only thing he mentioned about Megatron was that "we think Earth's gravity screwed up his telemetry on entry." I don't remember mentioning anything about how long ago that was. I could be wrong though...

Mattamus Prime wrote:In the prequel it says he crash lands here a million years before human existence... why the hell didn't Starscream just claim the thrown after he was gone for so long. And I'm surprised it took the rest of the Decepticons to almost a million years to find their way to earth to look for him. You'd think they might send out a search party after the first hundred years or so???? Instead in the 4 part comic it seems the Decepticons leave not far behind Megatron.... I'm so damn confused!!!

How long does it take to get from Cybertron to earth anyway... jeez!!!

Is it going to take Starscream that long to return?

Thoughts?

[1]Starscream had command of a sizable unit and whos to say that he wasnt in operational command of all of the Desepticon that are left????
[2]Whos to say that the Cybertron in the movie is in the milkyway galaxy???Even if the rest and bots left right after Megs thats a lot of ground to cover and they were fighting each other inbetween I'm sure.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:[1]Starscream had command of a sizable unit and whos to say that he wasnt in operational command of all of the Desepticon that are left????

I was thinking that. Starscream could be in control of the majority of Decepticons on Cybertron, anyway.

Savage wrote:

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Savage wrote:Did anyone else who saw the WalMart "Beginnings" prequel find it amusing that Megs supposedly crashed "Four million years ago"

Let it never be said that G1 does not still have its claws firmly embedded in the modern TF continuities.

I noticed it, and the Mrs. laughed when she saw it.
However, in the movie, doesn't Banacheck say NBE-1 crashed "10 thousand years ago."?

Yeah, he does say something like "we estimate" or "we think" so i use that to pretend they just didnt realise how long Megs had really been there.

Works for me.

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:It takes about 43,200,000... milliseconds to travel from Cybertron to Earth!

As we have seen in both the 1986 Movie, and 2007 Movie, it won't take 12 hours to make that trip!

What are you basing that on?

On the TF Movies.

1986. It was afternoon when Blaster radioed Prime for reinforcement. Prime arrived at the crack of dawn. (Not exactly 12 hours. Maybe in the range of 6 to 18 hours. )

2007. Bumblebee flashes the borrowed Bat-signal. Moments later, Protoform squidballs came crashlanding into the city. (Less than 12 hours.)

Note: 43,200,000 milliseconds is another way of saying 12 hours.

Auto Bot wrote:

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:It takes about 43,200,000... milliseconds to travel from Cybertron to Earth!

As we have seen in both the 1986 Movie, and 2007 Movie, it won't take 12 hours to make that trip!

What are you basing that on?

On the TF Movies.

1986. It was afternoon when Blaster radioed Prime for reinforcement. Prime arrived at the crack of dawn. (Not exactly 12 hours. Maybe in the range of 6 to 18 hours. )

2007. Bumblebee flashes the borrowed Bat-signal. Moments later, Protoform squidballs came crashlanding into the city. (Less than 12 hours.)

Note: 43,200,000 milliseconds is another way of saying 12 hours.

You can't compare the G! movie with this one. The 2 are 2 totally different contuniities.
Besides, for one, We don't know of the 2007 Bots have FTL like the G1 bots, and two, We don't know where Prime and the others were when BB flashed the signal. They could have been on Mars, waiting, or they could have parked the Ark just outside of our system.

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:It takes about 43,200,000... milliseconds to travel from Cybertron to Earth!

As we have seen in both the 1986 Movie, and 2007 Movie, it won't take 12 hours to make that trip!

What are you basing that on?

On the TF Movies.

1986. It was afternoon when Blaster radioed Prime for reinforcement. Prime arrived at the crack of dawn. (Not exactly 12 hours. Maybe in the range of 6 to 18 hours. )

2007. Bumblebee flashes the borrowed Bat-signal. Moments later, Protoform squidballs came crashlanding into the city. (Less than 12 hours.)

Note: 43,200,000 milliseconds is another way of saying 12 hours.

You can't compare the G! movie with this one. The 2 are 2 totally different contuniities.
Besides, for one, We don't know of the 2007 Bots have FTL like the G1 bots, and two, We don't know where Prime and the others were when BB flashed the signal. They could have been on Mars, waiting, or they could have parked the Ark just outside of our system.

But Bay specifically rejected the idea of a spaceship. He thinks it's dumb. So we can close the spaceship case. No spaceship, near or far, for this Movie's continuity.

There will be no point for Prime and the others to be standing by the moon, or Mars, or any other Solar System planets for that matter. Before BB sent the signal, there was no cause for them to be waiting on a nearby lifeless alien planet, some with an atmosphere that could probably corrode or destroy their metal body. It doesn't make sense. Whereas, if the threat is urgent or imminent, even before BB send the signal, they should be hiding somewhere on Earth instead. So the Solar System case is out.

The nearest they can possibly be is on another star system, if ever there should be any reason for them to be there at all. More realistic guess is they're on another galaxy.

But then again, why stay on another galaxy? When they can be on their own galaxy. Probably on Cybertron itself. Or on a star system near Cybertron, to probably harness some form of energy.

So, my best logical guess is that, they came from Cybertron, or somewhere in the same galaxy where Cybertron is located.

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Decepticon Spike wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:It takes about 43,200,000... milliseconds to travel from Cybertron to Earth!

As we have seen in both the 1986 Movie, and 2007 Movie, it won't take 12 hours to make that trip!

What are you basing that on?

On the TF Movies.

1986. It was afternoon when Blaster radioed Prime for reinforcement. Prime arrived at the crack of dawn. (Not exactly 12 hours. Maybe in the range of 6 to 18 hours. )

2007. Bumblebee flashes the borrowed Bat-signal. Moments later, Protoform squidballs came crashlanding into the city. (Less than 12 hours.)

Note: 43,200,000 milliseconds is another way of saying 12 hours.

You can't compare the G! movie with this one. The 2 are 2 totally different contuniities.
Besides, for one, We don't know of the 2007 Bots have FTL like the G1 bots, and two, We don't know where Prime and the others were when BB flashed the signal. They could have been on Mars, waiting, or they could have parked the Ark just outside of our system.

But Bay specifically rejected the idea of a spaceship. He thinks it's dumb. So we can close the spaceship case. No spaceship, near or far, for this Movie's continuity.

There will be no point for Prime and the others to be standing by the moon, or Mars, or any other Solar System planets for that matter. Before BB sent the signal, there was no cause for them to be waiting on a nearby lifeless alien planet, some with an atmosphere that could probably corrode or destroy their metal body. It doesn't make sense. Whereas, if the threat is urgent or imminent, even before BB send the signal, they should be hiding somewhere on Earth instead. So the Solar System case is out.

The nearest they can possibly be is on another star system, if ever there should be any reason for them to be there at all. More realistic guess is they're on another galaxy.

But then again, why stay on another galaxy? When they can be on their own galaxy. Probably on Cybertron itself. Or on a star system near Cybertron, to probably harness some form of energy.

So, my best logical guess is that, they came from Cybertron, or somewhere in the same galaxy where Cybertron is located.

If you read "Ghost of Yesterday" The Autobots and Decepticons do have ships. since protoforms would take too long to travel from one solar system to another, so I'm still in favor of a ship in orbit somewhere in the system.

I believe the ship is still out in orbit. But about the milliion years thing. It took them millions of years cuz they were "looking" for megz. They were on his trail right behind him, but they could have lost him eventually thru space. And they wandered around, which is why it took millions of years.

But it will most likely take less than million years to go back to Cybertron cuz they KNOW where they're going now. Not just wandering.

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:It takes about 43,200,000... milliseconds to travel from Cybertron to Earth!

As we have seen in both the 1986 Movie, and 2007 Movie, it won't take 12 hours to make that trip!

What are you basing that on?

On the TF Movies.

1986. It was afternoon when Blaster radioed Prime for reinforcement. Prime arrived at the crack of dawn. (Not exactly 12 hours. Maybe in the range of 6 to 18 hours. )

2007. Bumblebee flashes the borrowed Bat-signal. Moments later, Protoform squidballs came crashlanding into the city. (Less than 12 hours.)

Note: 43,200,000 milliseconds is another way of saying 12 hours.

You can't compare the G! movie with this one. The 2 are 2 totally different contuniities.
Besides, for one, We don't know of the 2007 Bots have FTL like the G1 bots, and two, We don't know where Prime and the others were when BB flashed the signal. They could have been on Mars, waiting, or they could have parked the Ark just outside of our system.

But Bay specifically rejected the idea of a spaceship. He thinks it's dumb. So we can close the spaceship case. No spaceship, near or far, for this Movie's continuity.

There will be no point for Prime and the others to be standing by the moon, or Mars, or any other Solar System planets for that matter. Before BB sent the signal, there was no cause for them to be waiting on a nearby lifeless alien planet, some with an atmosphere that could probably corrode or destroy their metal body. It doesn't make sense. Whereas, if the threat is urgent or imminent, even before BB send the signal, they should be hiding somewhere on Earth instead. So the Solar System case is out.

The nearest they can possibly be is on another star system, if ever there should be any reason for them to be there at all. More realistic guess is they're on another galaxy.

But then again, why stay on another galaxy? When they can be on their own galaxy. Probably on Cybertron itself. Or on a star system near Cybertron, to probably harness some form of energy.

So, my best logical guess is that, they came from Cybertron, or somewhere in the same galaxy where Cybertron is located.

If you read "Ghost of Yesterday" The Autobots and Decepticons do have ships. since protoforms would take too long to travel from one solar system to another, so I'm still in favor of a ship in orbit somewhere in the system.

Actually, there's inconsistencies between the Movie and the Prequel comics. Bay didn't follow strictly the story continuity from the comics. Or it's the other way around. The comics created their own prequel story, not strictly observing what Bay will dish out in the final version of the Movie. Come to think of it, even if the comics wants to, it may not be possible for them to do that, because the movie went thru a lot of changes in the final cut.

Anyway, judging from the way the Protoforms fell on Earth, i'd say, they came from a far away trajectory. Given Prime's conscious effort to avoid any human casualty, it is unlikely that they came down from a nearby ship. If the ship was nearby, say somewhere behind Mars or the Moon, it will be too easy for them to plot a freefall trajectory that will avoid any and all kinds of damage to human life and properties. Such as our primitive earthen NASA is able to do pinpoint placement of space probes on orbit around Saturn. Slight miscalculation could put the probe on a collision course with the millions of rocks orbiting around Saturn.

If Cybertronian spaceships are not as hightech as NASA, at least it could plot a drop on the outskirt of the city.

For me, this fact alone proves that the Protoforms should at least have travelled straight from another galaxy.

SnipeShade wrote:I believe the ship is still out in orbit. But about the milliion years thing. It took them millions of years cuz they were "looking" for megz. They were on his trail right behind him, but they could have lost him eventually thru space. And they wandered around, which is why it took millions of years.

But it will most likely take less than million years to go back to Cybertron cuz they KNOW where they're going now. Not just wandering.

If that's the case, then we'll have to wait until the year 2002009 before the sequel comes out. That much time for Starscream to make the round trip to bring back reinforcements!

Yeah in the movie it says the whole "some thousand years BC."

the prequel DVD says... like... a million years ago or something.

I think I'm going to go off of the movie and the second prequel comic. Not the one the Begginings prequel is based on.

Are the other parts #3 and #4 even out yet. Far as I know only #1 and #2 are out???

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Decepticon Spike wrote:

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Decepticon Spike wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:It takes about 43,200,000... milliseconds to travel from Cybertron to Earth!

As we have seen in both the 1986 Movie, and 2007 Movie, it won't take 12 hours to make that trip!

What are you basing that on?

On the TF Movies.

1986. It was afternoon when Blaster radioed Prime for reinforcement. Prime arrived at the crack of dawn. (Not exactly 12 hours. Maybe in the range of 6 to 18 hours. )

2007. Bumblebee flashes the borrowed Bat-signal. Moments later, Protoform squidballs came crashlanding into the city. (Less than 12 hours.)

Note: 43,200,000 milliseconds is another way of saying 12 hours.

You can't compare the G! movie with this one. The 2 are 2 totally different contuniities.
Besides, for one, We don't know of the 2007 Bots have FTL like the G1 bots, and two, We don't know where Prime and the others were when BB flashed the signal. They could have been on Mars, waiting, or they could have parked the Ark just outside of our system.

But Bay specifically rejected the idea of a spaceship. He thinks it's dumb. So we can close the spaceship case. No spaceship, near or far, for this Movie's continuity.

There will be no point for Prime and the others to be standing by the moon, or Mars, or any other Solar System planets for that matter. Before BB sent the signal, there was no cause for them to be waiting on a nearby lifeless alien planet, some with an atmosphere that could probably corrode or destroy their metal body. It doesn't make sense. Whereas, if the threat is urgent or imminent, even before BB send the signal, they should be hiding somewhere on Earth instead. So the Solar System case is out.

The nearest they can possibly be is on another star system, if ever there should be any reason for them to be there at all. More realistic guess is they're on another galaxy.

But then again, why stay on another galaxy? When they can be on their own galaxy. Probably on Cybertron itself. Or on a star system near Cybertron, to probably harness some form of energy.

So, my best logical guess is that, they came from Cybertron, or somewhere in the same galaxy where Cybertron is located.

If you read "Ghost of Yesterday" The Autobots and Decepticons do have ships. since protoforms would take too long to travel from one solar system to another, so I'm still in favor of a ship in orbit somewhere in the system.

Actually, there's inconsistencies between the Movie and the Prequel comics. Bay didn't follow strictly the story continuity from the comics. Or it's the other way around. The comics created their own prequel story, not strictly observing what Bay will dish out in the final version of the Movie. Come to think of it, even if the comics wants to, it may not be possible for them to do that, because the movie went thru a lot of changes in the final cut.

Anyway, judging from the way the Protoforms fell on Earth, i'd say, they came from a far away trajectory. Given Prime's conscious effort to avoid any human casualty, it is unlikely that they came down from a nearby ship. If the ship was nearby, say somewhere behind Mars or the Moon, it will be too easy for them to plot a freefall trajectory that will avoid any and all kinds of damage to human life and properties. Such as our primitive earthen NASA is able to do pinpoint placement of space probes on orbit around Saturn. Slight miscalculation could put the probe on a collision course with the millions of rocks orbiting around Saturn.

If Cybertronian spaceships are not as hightech as NASA, at least it could plot a drop on the outskirt of the city.

For me, this fact alone proves that the Protoforms should at least have travelled straight from another galaxy.

I'll give you that the protoforms came form outside the solar system, but not from another galaxy. There would be no way for the signal to travel that far in that short of time, unless they ahve wormholes, or they are planing on bringing the Space Bridge into the movie universe.

Mattamus Prime wrote:Yeah in the movie it says the whole "some thousand years BC."

the prequel DVD says... like... a million years ago or something.

I think I'm going to go off of the movie and the second prequel comic. Not the one the Begginings prequel is based on.

Are the other parts #3 and #4 even out yet. Far as I know only #1 and #2 are out???

Been out for a while.

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Decepticon Spike wrote:

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Decepticon Spike wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Decepticon Spike wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:It takes about 43,200,000... milliseconds to travel from Cybertron to Earth!

As we have seen in both the 1986 Movie, and 2007 Movie, it won't take 12 hours to make that trip!

What are you basing that on?

On the TF Movies.

1986. It was afternoon when Blaster radioed Prime for reinforcement. Prime arrived at the crack of dawn. (Not exactly 12 hours. Maybe in the range of 6 to 18 hours. )

2007. Bumblebee flashes the borrowed Bat-signal. Moments later, Protoform squidballs came crashlanding into the city. (Less than 12 hours.)

Note: 43,200,000 milliseconds is another way of saying 12 hours.

You can't compare the G! movie with this one. The 2 are 2 totally different contuniities.
Besides, for one, We don't know of the 2007 Bots have FTL like the G1 bots, and two, We don't know where Prime and the others were when BB flashed the signal. They could have been on Mars, waiting, or they could have parked the Ark just outside of our system.

But Bay specifically rejected the idea of a spaceship. He thinks it's dumb. So we can close the spaceship case. No spaceship, near or far, for this Movie's continuity.

There will be no point for Prime and the others to be standing by the moon, or Mars, or any other Solar System planets for that matter. Before BB sent the signal, there was no cause for them to be waiting on a nearby lifeless alien planet, some with an atmosphere that could probably corrode or destroy their metal body. It doesn't make sense. Whereas, if the threat is urgent or imminent, even before BB send the signal, they should be hiding somewhere on Earth instead. So the Solar System case is out.

The nearest they can possibly be is on another star system, if ever there should be any reason for them to be there at all. More realistic guess is they're on another galaxy.

But then again, why stay on another galaxy? When they can be on their own galaxy. Probably on Cybertron itself. Or on a star system near Cybertron, to probably harness some form of energy.

So, my best logical guess is that, they came from Cybertron, or somewhere in the same galaxy where Cybertron is located.

If you read "Ghost of Yesterday" The Autobots and Decepticons do have ships. since protoforms would take too long to travel from one solar system to another, so I'm still in favor of a ship in orbit somewhere in the system.

Actually, there's inconsistencies between the Movie and the Prequel comics. Bay didn't follow strictly the story continuity from the comics. Or it's the other way around. The comics created their own prequel story, not strictly observing what Bay will dish out in the final version of the Movie. Come to think of it, even if the comics wants to, it may not be possible for them to do that, because the movie went thru a lot of changes in the final cut.

Anyway, judging from the way the Protoforms fell on Earth, i'd say, they came from a far away trajectory. Given Prime's conscious effort to avoid any human casualty, it is unlikely that they came down from a nearby ship. If the ship was nearby, say somewhere behind Mars or the Moon, it will be too easy for them to plot a freefall trajectory that will avoid any and all kinds of damage to human life and properties. Such as our primitive earthen NASA is able to do pinpoint placement of space probes on orbit around Saturn. Slight miscalculation could put the probe on a collision course with the millions of rocks orbiting around Saturn.

If Cybertronian spaceships are not as hightech as NASA, at least it could plot a drop on the outskirt of the city.

For me, this fact alone proves that the Protoforms should at least have travelled straight from another galaxy.

I'll give you that the protoforms came form outside the solar system, but not from another galaxy. There would be no way for the signal to travel that far in that short of time, unless they ahve wormholes, or they are planing on bringing the Space Bridge into the movie universe.

Actually, there's really no way for the signal to travel that fast even in the outskirts of the Solar System. It takes 20 minutes for a signal to reach Mars, hours to reach Pluto. It will take weeks for the signal to pass thru Oorts Cloud, which is still part of the Solar System.

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SnipeShade wrote:I believe the ship is still out in orbit. But about the milliion years thing. It took them millions of years cuz they were "looking" for megz. They were on his trail right behind him, but they could have lost him eventually thru space. And they wandered around, which is why it took millions of years.

But it will most likely take less than million years to go back to Cybertron cuz they KNOW where they're going now. Not just wandering.

If that's the case, then we'll have to wait until the year 2002009 before the sequel comes out. That much time for Starscream to make the round trip to bring back reinforcements!

How so? With what I said, it would imply that Starscream would go and come back in a fraction of the time. Cuz he knows where Earth is. I'm sure he knows where Cybertron is. So... it could take him a few years only. Not a million or whatever. Space is really huge, i can believe that they were lost for millions of years. But hes not lost anymore.