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Rial Vestro wrote:I just watched both movies back to back last night and I count 5 continuity **** ups between the movies.

Scorpinok did live but lost part of his tail which was not missing when he comes back in ROTF.

How is that a continuity mistake???

Not only did they already say TF's heal, he could have repaired himself.

Bonecrusher shows up in ROTF but Optimus took his face so he's dead.

Different character.

Frenzy's head was in a jar but he survived the events of the first movie and we know Frenzy can survive without a body.

I think you need to watch the first film again.

There was no confirmation that Frenzy survived the first film.

When last we see Frenzy ,he was fighting When Agent Simmons, Secretary Keller, Maggie and Glen Whitmann. Simmons and Keller were shootting at Frenzy.

Frenzy fired a series of flying blades at them, but, 1 ricocheted across the room, and took out most of Frenzy's head. Frenzy then said "oh $h1+," his eyes went dark and he dropped to the ground.

And Bumblebee's voice started working at the end of the first movie. My brother was thinking it was because they lost his voice actor but then I looked it up and noticed Mark Ryan is in both movies as he voiced Jetfire as well as Bumblebee. So there's no reason in story or in real life that Bumblebee shouldn't of been able to talk. They did try to cover this up too but they did a horrable job of it.

Just because he started to talk does not mean he was fully healed.

Not to mention that it could be a physiological issue.

So so far none of the issues you listed are really continuity mistakes.

Rial Vestro wrote:I just watched both movies back to back last night and I count 5 continuity **** ups between the movies.

Scorpinok did live but lost part of his tail which was not missing when he comes back in ROTF.

It's two years later, he could have gotten it repaired in that time

Bonecrusher shows up in ROTF but Optimus took his face so he's dead.

That's either a different Decepticon who took the same alt mode, or Bonecrusher got himself fixed. I think it's the latter since they revived Megatron why not revive the other cons that were there? Except Brawl though, he took more damage than everyone combined so they must have used him for parts. Like Megatron's spiffy new treads

Frenzy's head was in a jar but he survived the events of the first movie and we know Frenzy can survive without a body.

One of his razor discs boomeranged on him and cut his head in half.

Blackout's rename to Grindor I think is a cover up to the fact that he died in the first movie but I can't really prove that one, just my opinion.

I think they revived him when they revived Megatron. I know they don't show it, but he's huge and did a hell of a job destroying the base in Qatar. It would be a waste not to put an effective soldier like that back in action.

And Bumblebee's voice started working at the end of the first movie. My brother was thinking it was because they lost his voice actor but then I looked it up and noticed Mark Ryan is in both movies as he voiced Jetfire as well as Bumblebee. So there's no reason in story or in real life that Bumblebee shouldn't of been able to talk. They did try to cover this up too but they did a horrable job of it.

I don't think it's fully functional. Injuries like that take a lot of time and rehabilitation to recover from. After he destroyed the kitchen bots Sam said something about his voice still giving him problems.

Those are just the conclusions I've come to. They make sense to me so I'm satisfied with them

Rial Vestro wrote:I just watched both movies back to back last night and I count 5 continuity **** ups between the movies.

Scorpinok did live but lost part of his tail which was not missing when he comes back in ROTF.

Bonecrusher shows up in ROTF but Optimus took his face so he's dead.

Frenzy's head was in a jar but he survived the events of the first movie and we know Frenzy can survive without a body.

Blackout's rename to Grindor I think is a cover up to the fact that he died in the first movie but I can't really prove that one, just my opinion.

And Bumblebee's voice started working at the end of the first movie. My brother was thinking it was because they lost his voice actor but then I looked it up and noticed Mark Ryan is in both movies as he voiced Jetfire as well as Bumblebee. So there's no reason in story or in real life that Bumblebee shouldn't of been able to talk. They did try to cover this up too but they did a horrable job of it.

1.Scorpinock repairs his tail after the first movie.

2.That was a clone of bone crusher, the same way they cloned the Constructicons with those protoforms.

3.Frenzy's head was sliced in half, Simmons (I guess) put his head backtogeather and put in a jar.

4.Yeah, I think Grindor is just a clone.

5.Bumblebee, well, i just think his voice box is acting up still, because he says "Sam" in the garage scene. But i still dont get why they need to do that, maby they just want him to be "cute" for the little kids. And his normal voice, sounds too Britishey.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Frenzy's head was in a jar but he survived the events of the first movie and we know Frenzy can survive without a body.

I think you need to watch the first film again.

There was no confirmation that Frenzy survived the first film.

When last we see Frenzy ,he was fighting When Agent Simmons, Secretary Keller, Maggie and Glen Whitmann. Simmons and Keller were shootting at Frenzy.

Frenzy fired a series of flying blades at them, but, 1 ricocheted across the room, and took out most of Frenzy's head. Frenzy then said "oh $h1+," his eyes went dark and he dropped to the ground.

Did you miss the part where I said, we know Frenzy can survive without a body. That was the second time he was decapitated that you just described. His head was in a jar in the second movie which does not mean that he was dead.

The first time he was decapitated by Mikala then she kicked his head which looked like it flew longer than it did as it landed near her purse where he took out her cell phone and scaned a new alt mode. So there's no reason that Frenzy should have died when we allready saw him live thew decapitation once.

Pluse I think it'd be funny if they turned Frenzy into a Waspinator type character and made his decapitation a running gag.

Rial Vestro wrote:Did you miss the part where I said, we know Frenzy can survive without a body. That was the second time he was decapitated that you just described.

Did "YOU" miss the part when we saw Frenzy's head split in half and his eyes go dark????

He wasnt decapitated the last time.

And either way, its like I said....no confimation that he lived so no continuity error.

His head was in a jar in the second movie which does not mean that he was dead.

So are you now suggesting he was still alive in the jar???

And even if, then wahts your issue with it???

Either way its not a continuity issue.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Rial Vestro wrote:Did you miss the part where I said, we know Frenzy can survive without a body. That was the second time he was decapitated that you just described.

Did "YOU" miss the part when we saw Frenzy's head split in half and his eyes go dark????

He wasnt decapitated the last time.

And either way, its like I said....no confimation that he lived so no continuity error.

His head was in a jar in the second movie which does not mean that he was dead.

So are you now suggesting he was still alive in the jar???

And even if, then wahts your issue with it???

Either way its not a continuity issue.

Either was it IS a continuity issue.

His head was still in tack in the second movie and we saw in the first movie that he can survive without a body so what's stopping him from breaking out of the jar?

And yeah his head was split in half which is still an issue because as stated abouve his head was still in tact when we see it in the second movie.

So either way his head should not of been in the second movie as it'd be either destroyed or still alive.

Metal Monkey wrote:I am so sick of Micheal Bay. It's almost like he doesn't like Transformers, he just wants to make money off of people who do. I know he likes them, but he even talks about changing the Transformers to fit his needs, the way HE THINKS they should be (see the special features in the first movie DVD or the second disk of the first movie).

but..he really doesn't like transformers, he's said as much himself, numerous times, in interviews, articles, I wouldn't be surprised of one of the DVD's special features is just Bay flipping you off

Rial Vestro wrote:Either was it IS a continuity issue.

If it is you have yet to demonstrate why.

His head was still in tack in the second movie and we saw in the first movie that he can survive without a body so what's stopping him from breaking out of the jar?

As I said before.His head was split down the middle at the end of the first film, his eyes then went dark and it appeared that he died or at the very least was shut down.

That injury may have been more then Frenzy could survive.

And yeah his head was split in half which is still an issue because as stated abouve his head was still in tact when we see it in the second movie.

The fact that his head is intact "AGAIN" in a jar by the events of the second film could mean nothing more other then the possibility that the the former S7 agent repaired the head before putting it in a jar.

Just like a lot of scientist or hunters do with animal spcements they place in jars or on display.

So either way his head should not of been in the second movie as it'd be either destroyed or still alive.

2 years have passed, theres no reason to explain every "tid-bit" of what happened after the first film.

And like I said, in either case its not a continuity issue.

Care to try again???

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:The fact that his head is intact "AGAIN" in a jar by the events of the second film could mean nothing more other then the possibility that the the former S7 agent repaired the head before putting it in a jar.

Just like a lot of scientist or hunters do with animal spcements they place in jars or on display.

So you want to argue that said S7 agent isn't smart enough to know what a TF is but he's smart enough to repair one of them to that exstent?

The movie Transformers have lots of small parts especially on characters like Frenzy. For his head to be destroyed to that magnitude and then be in perfect condition 2 years later is near impossible. Parts of his head would of been lost or damaged beyond repair. The head that shows up in the second movie looks like it never suffered any damage at all.

To be able to repair the parts of him that would have been damaged would require a welding torch and the smaller the fragments are the harder it is to weld them back togeather. Or he'd have to create molds of what his parts would be and melt down the metal to reshape it back to it's normal condition but there's no way Simmons would know how to do that with as many parts as Frenzy has unless the guy has a photographic memory and even then it'd be difficult.

Hell look at what it takes to repair a car after a major crash. Major being parts of the car actully break apart. That's something we know how to repair with much larger parts and we can get replacement parts for if they're damaged beyond repair. Frenzy has non of thoughs qualitys and yet you make it sound like repairing an alien head is easier than repairing a car.

Simply put he may have been able to repair it to some exstent but not to the degree where he looks like he should still be alive. No matter how you look at it that head should not of been in the movie, at least not in that condition.

Rial Vestro wrote:So you want to argue that said S7 agent isn't smart enough to know what a TF is but he's smart enough to repair one of them to that exstent?

Your kidding me right???

What repair???

At best he did nothing more other then glue 2 halfs together.

I dont need to be a doctor/vet to reattach an animals arm back on and make it look whole again.

Care to try yet again????

The movie Transformers have lots of small parts especially on characters like Frenzy. For his head to be destroyed to that magnitude and then be in perfect condition 2 years later is near impossible.

Destroyed to what magnitude????

We never saw the condition of the head.

Hell look at what it takes to repair a car after a major crash.

Repairing for function ability is far harder then repairing for show.

Simply put he may have been able to repair it to some exstent but not to the degree where he looks like he should still be alive. No matter how you look at it that head should not of been in the movie, at least not in that condition.

In your opinion.

And your entire argument is depended on facts not in evidence.

They never showed us how badly damaged Frenzy's head was.

So we dont know how hard it would have been to put it back together.

So that entire rant was for nothing.

You cant say it would have been to hard to fix with out some evidence to how badly damaged the head was.

And that evidence does not exsist.

As always your arguments are based on false assumptions, facts not in evidence, your personal impressions and what you "THINK" you saw.

I just think that Rial Vestro likes debating.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Rial Vestro wrote:So you want to argue that said S7 agent isn't smart enough to know what a TF is but he's smart enough to repair one of them to that exstent?

Your kidding me right???

What repair???

At best he did nothing more other then glue 2 halfs together.

I dont need to be a doctor/vet to reattach an animals arm back on and make it look whole again.

Care to try yet again????

Just glueing something togeather would not make it look brand new. You really have no clue what you're talking about.

The movie Transformers have lots of small parts especially on characters like Frenzy. For his head to be destroyed to that magnitude and then be in perfect condition 2 years later is near impossible.

Destroyed to what magnitude????

We never saw the condition of the head.

How does "we say his head get split in two" = "we never saw the condition of the head" congradulations on yet another oximoron. Either we saw it or we didn't not both.

Simply put he may have been able to repair it to some exstent but not to the degree where he looks like he should still be alive. No matter how you look at it that head should not of been in the movie, at least not in that condition.

In your opinion.

And your entire argument is depended on facts not in evidence.

They never showed us how badly damaged Frenzy's head was.

So we dont know how hard it would have been to put it back together.

So that entire rant was for nothing.

You cant say it would have been to hard to fix with out some evidence to how badly damaged the head was.

And that evidence does not exsist.

As always your arguments are based on false assumptions, facts not in evidence, your personal impressions and what you "THINK" you saw.

See abouve.

Before you said we saw the head get split in half and now you're saying we don't know how badly it was damaged. Like allways you're changeing your argument to fit your case. Both can't be true, we either saw the damage or we didn't.

Rial Vestro wrote:Just glueing something togeather would not make it look brand new. You really have no clue what you're talking about.

Sorry buddy but as always you just proved you dont know what your talking about.

Your taking your impressions of what you saw and trying to pass them off as fact.

I dont think Frenzy's head looked "brand new" in that jar.

Thats your opinion that it did.

And I'll say again, with out knowing the extent of the damage you cant make any claims to how difficult it would have been to put it back together.

How does "we say his head get split in two" = "we never saw the condition of the head" congradulations on yet another oximoron. Either we saw it or we didn't not both.

Sorry but no.

I can rip a peace of paper in 2 halfs with out causing a great magnitude of damage.

The point is we saw the blade cut threw his head.It wasnt clear....even in slow motion.

We never saw the head laying on the ground or the extent of the damage.

Maybe you should try paying attention to what you see before you make an argument.

See abouve.

For what????

You still havent made a single point.

Before you said we saw the head get split in half and now you're saying we don't know how badly it was damaged. Like allways you're changeing your argument to fit your case. Both can't be true, we either saw the damage or we didn't.

A split down the middle wouldnt be all that hard to fix.

As always you use words and terms with out understanding how they come accross.

You said it was damaged to such a great magnitude it couldnt be put back together.

Sorry but that reads as a complete destruction or that it was leftin many peaces.

But as best as we can tell from what we saw, it was a clean neat cut, not unlike cutting a frog in half.

And even I could sew a frog together.

Now do you want to continue to waste your time with this????Because your arguments continue to fall short of making a point.

Simmons put Frenzy's head back together in the prequel comic, and it briefly talked even when he hooked up to something. Frenzy is quite dead, as he sliced his own head in half. This is not an error.

Simmons is obessed with transformers. It makes perfect sense for him put the head of frenzy on display, as they re his life's work, his family's even as the first member of S7 was one of Simmons family. Watch Beginings if you haven't already as its on youtube. Between the extra Imax scenes in first film, and beginings you get a clear picture how intense he is. The second movie even commented on this as S7 told him he was obbessed. He like how could they say that, as Sam just nodded, despite knowing how true it is about him. Just look at all the crap he took with him when his job was over. He's got quite the obession going with transformers. (he's in movie transformer fanboy haha.)

Saber Prime, just stop as this doesnt need be another stream of pointless text as everything you said was disassembled like Jazz by Megatron. I'd replied same thing if STO hadnt already.

Lastjustice wrote:Simmons put Frenzy's head back together in the prequel comic, and it briefly talked even when he hooked up to something. Frenzy is quite dead, as he sliced his own head in half. This is not an error.

Simmons is obessed with transformers. It makes perfect sense for him put the head of frenzy on display, as they re his life's work, his family's even as the first member of S7 was one of Simmons family. Watch Beginings if you haven't already as its on youtube. Between the extra Imax scenes in first film, and beginings you get a clear picture how intense he is. The second movie even commented on this as S7 told him he was obbessed. He like how could they say that, as Sam just nodded, despite knowing how true it is about him. Just look at all the crap he took with him when his job was over. He's got quite the obession going with transformers. (he's in movie transformer fanboy haha.)

Saber Prime, just stop as this doesnt need be another stream of pointless text as everything you said was disassembled like Jazz by Megatron. I'd replied same thing if STO hadnt already.

Well said my friend.

Rial Vestro wrote:Blackout's rename to Grindor I think is a cover up to the fact that he died in the first movie but I can't really prove that one, just my opinion.

You know, I still refuse to call him Grindor. Since Bonecrusher appeared later on, it stands to reason that they could have revived Blackout as well, seeing as how they survived relatively minor damage compared to Megatron and Brawl/Devestator.

On the other hand, getting a new name upon being repaired is nothing new in Transformers. ("Then that's what you'll be! Goldbug!" "uh...I was kinda hoping I could still be called Bumblebee...")

Rial Vestro wrote:And Bumblebee's voice started working at the end of the first movie. My brother was thinking it was because they lost his voice actor but then I looked it up and noticed Mark Ryan is in both movies as he voiced Jetfire as well as Bumblebee. So there's no reason in story or in real life that Bumblebee shouldn't of been able to talk. They did try to cover this up too but they did a horrable job of it.

They pointed this out in the movie. Mikaela noticed he was talking through radio clips again, and Sam mentioned, if I recall, "he's playing it up." It's not that he can't speak, he's just doing it for attention.

Metal Monkey wrote:IRONHIDE. Chevy no longer makes the "topkick". The big GMC/Chevy Ironhide is will not be made past this year. Production actually has already stopped.

So? They stopped production on the Raptor as well, but Starscream still transforms into one.

Pluse I think it'd be funny if they turned Frenzy into a Waspinator type character and made his decapitation a running gag.

No! Blackout is the new Wazpinator!

I just love how in both movies when they are in Alt mode they are all scared and have battle dmg yet the they transform and it's all gone. They next scene they transform back and same thing...that's the most obvious mistake with no logical answer.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Pluse I think it'd be funny if they turned Frenzy into a Waspinator type character and made his decapitation a running gag.

No! Blackout is the new Wazpinator!

Blackout can't be Waspinator. He's too cool for that... unless he starts getting some personality and ends up acting like Animated Blackout.