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SELL ME MY FAVORITE COMBINER!!!

First off let me say that this has been one extremely impressive bit of kibashing here and what you've done with the Menasor and Motormaster side of things is simply brilliant. That said, there's something that's bugging me with both yours and Wikkid's Stunticon limb customs. With the original Stunticons, there was a "dopple-ganger" thing happening with Motormaster sharing an almost identical alt mode with Prime, Dead End with Jazz, Breakdown with Sideswipe/Red Alert, Drag Strip with Mirage, and Wildrider with Windcharger (yes this one is a but of a stretch but also relates to canon).

Now while Motormaster hits the mark perfectly, the only two limbs themselves that have felt "right" have been been Wikkid's Dead End and Your Breakdown. I guess what I'm suggesting is more of a "version 2" consideration, but it might be worth thinking about doing Dead End as an RX-8, Wildrider as an S-2000 and Drag Strip as a Ford GT, to complement Breakdown as an RSX (let's face it, we all know it's what Sideswipe and Red Alert SHOULD have been ). Like I said, just something to think about if you ever decide to tweak the project .

Bowspearer wrote:First off let me say that this has been one extremely impressive bit of kibashing here and what you've done with the Menasor and Motormaster side of things is simply brilliant. That said, there's something that's bugging me with both yours and Wikkid's Stunticon limb customs. With the original Stunticons, there was a "dopple-ganger" thing happening with Motormaster sharing an almost identical alt mode with Prime, Dead End with Jazz, Breakdown with Sideswipe/Red Alert, Drag Strip with Mirage, and Wildrider with Windcharger (yes this one is a but of a stretch but also relates to canon).

Now while Motormaster hits the mark perfectly, the only two limbs themselves that have felt "right" have been been Wikkid's Dead End and Your Breakdown. I guess what I'm suggesting is more of a "version 2" consideration, but it might be worth thinking about doing Dead End as an RX-8, Wildrider as an S-2000 and Drag Strip as a Ford GT, to complement Breakdown as an RSX (let's face it, we all know it's what Sideswipe and Red Alert SHOULD have been ). Like I said, just something to think about if you ever decide to tweak the project .

Hey Bowspearer, never knew you were a member here. I'll let TF-Master answer that question, but I guess it has something to do with making it more of an Alternator-esque combiner then a G1 combiner.

Bowspearer wrote:First off let me say that this has been one extremely impressive bit of kibashing here and what you've done with the Menasor and Motormaster side of things is simply brilliant. That said, there's something that's bugging me with both yours and Wikkid's Stunticon limb customs. With the original Stunticons, there was a "dopple-ganger" thing happening with Motormaster sharing an almost identical alt mode with Prime, Dead End with Jazz, Breakdown with Sideswipe/Red Alert, Drag Strip with Mirage, and Wildrider with Windcharger (yes this one is a but of a stretch but also relates to canon).

Now while Motormaster hits the mark perfectly, the only two limbs themselves that have felt "right" have been been Wikkid's Dead End and Your Breakdown. I guess what I'm suggesting is more of a "version 2" consideration, but it might be worth thinking about doing Dead End as an RX-8, Wildrider as an S-2000 and Drag Strip as a Ford GT, to complement Breakdown as an RSX (let's face it, we all know it's what Sideswipe and Red Alert SHOULD have been ). Like I said, just something to think about if you ever decide to tweak the project .

Sorry. That's just not ganna happen. I'm not trying to be rude but haven't I covered this conversation before??

Anyhoo, it's no prob. i'll say it again. There is no way to do that and have the end result be functional. All Alts are different sizes from each other and to do 4 different limbs as appose to two repaints each would just make it unstable and even not look so good. One leg would be longer then the other, one arm would be looser and fall more often, etc.

Trust me,once you take on a project like this you'll notice it's not easy. Notice how that other Menasor seems to tip to one side? Mine doesn't. It's meant to work and to be stable combined.

As for a 2nd version, are you kidding me? This is my Sewcond version.

My first version was a couple years ago for TFW2005.com's Combiner contest when Energon released their combiner series. I got first but I still didn't like the outcome. It was totally rushed and IMO looked like crap.

So I chose 4 new bots and redid the Prime once again to make Menasor. This time for stability I had to choose 2 of the same leg and 2 of the same arm. With something that Big Balance is a big factor and one misstep and boom it all come crashing down with one nudge.

I won't Do Alt/MP Menasor again but if i did Motormaster would end up being totally scratchbuilt the next time around. I'd love it if it transformed alot cleaner.

TFM

TFmaster wrote:

Bowspearer wrote:First off let me say that this has been one extremely impressive bit of kibashing here and what you've done with the Menasor and Motormaster side of things is simply brilliant. That said, there's something that's bugging me with both yours and Wikkid's Stunticon limb customs. With the original Stunticons, there was a "dopple-ganger" thing happening with Motormaster sharing an almost identical alt mode with Prime, Dead End with Jazz, Breakdown with Sideswipe/Red Alert, Drag Strip with Mirage, and Wildrider with Windcharger (yes this one is a but of a stretch but also relates to canon).

Now while Motormaster hits the mark perfectly, the only two limbs themselves that have felt "right" have been been Wikkid's Dead End and Your Breakdown. I guess what I'm suggesting is more of a "version 2" consideration, but it might be worth thinking about doing Dead End as an RX-8, Wildrider as an S-2000 and Drag Strip as a Ford GT, to complement Breakdown as an RSX (let's face it, we all know it's what Sideswipe and Red Alert SHOULD have been ). Like I said, just something to think about if you ever decide to tweak the project .

Sorry. That's just not ganna happen. I'm not trying to be rude but haven't I covered this conversation before??

Anyhoo, it's no prob. i'll say it again. There is no way to do that and have the end result be functional. All Alts are different sizes from each other and to do 4 different limbs as appose to two repaints each would just make it unstable and even not look so good. One leg would be longer then the other, one arm would be looser and fall more often, etc.

Trust me,once you take on a project like this you'll notice it's not easy. Notice how that other Menasor seems to tip to one side? Mine doesn't. It's meant to work and to be stable combined.

As for a 2nd version, are you kidding me? This is my Sewcond version.

My first version was a couple years ago for TFW2005.com's Combiner contest when Energon released their combiner series. I got first but I still didn't like the outcome. It was totally rushed and IMO looked like crap.

So I chose 4 new bots and redid the Prime once again to make Menasor. This time for stability I had to choose 2 of the same leg and 2 of the same arm. With something that Big Balance is a big factor and one misstep and boom it all come crashing down with one nudge.

I won't Do Alt/MP Menasor again but if i did Motormaster would end up being totally scratchbuilt the next time around. I'd love it if it transformed alot cleaner.

TFM

It's possible you have brought this up before- I've been irregularly lurking here, largely interested inthis project, so yeah, this may well have come up before and I just haven't seen it. Noone is disputing the absolutely amazing job you did with making an Alternators based Gestalt and if you think I am, then I'll say this- I think it's truly remarkable what you've done here, something that I wasn't sure was possible and that is something which is indisputable.

That said, I guess it comes down to me looking at the ultimate Alternators/BT Menasor. I'm not sure it would be completely imposible with 4 different limbs, but from the sounds of it, saying it would be extremely difficult to pull off would be an understatement- at least without resorting to additional parts in the joints which in itself would be an engineering nightmare. Still I guess kitbashing and even digibashing is always a case of saying "what if" and acting on it, and who knows who might decide to shoot for the impossible with this later on. Doesn't hurt to think about possibilities does it?

Hi TF Master,
Thanks, I was able to sign up through TFAN. WOW! I didnt know you made those awesome customs. Please email me pics of the ones you have made, would you also consider selling some to me for a few hundred each or making some for sale maybe?
I await your reply,
Thank you,
Graig-