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Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:21 am

Well some images just don't look right when mirrored. When i draw the "half bodies" im not thinking about the other side. So when you mirror the pic, it wont always come out looking good. But those look fine. Well i didn't know the "prowl" captain had such a big nose

I should slim it down.

Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:29 am

Ironhide in drag? interesting.... HAHAH!

Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:39 pm

Well, here's what I've got so far on the reworked Captain torso. What do you guys think, should I keep going with it?

More difficult to draw on the computer than paper, tempted to print it out and work on it, but it seems like whenever I do that the quality always goes way down. Also, here are the three wheeljack heads mirrored:

Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:17 am

Thats looks good. But is it just me or does the captain look black? I mean theres nothing wrong with that, its just he looks like a black guy

But that looks like a normal drawing, can't even tell its a mirrored image.

Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:20 pm

shinmusashi44 wrote:Thats looks good. But is it just me or does the captain look black? I mean theres nothing wrong with that, its just he looks like a black guy But that looks like a normal drawing, can't even tell its a mirrored image.

its the nose. :shock:

sorry if that came out bad.

Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:01 pm

Heres a small update on the Wyvern character. Im thinking of calling him Backlash. Does that name sound good at all? (I hate coming up with names)

Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:56 am

sounds good shin and that face is great!

Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:01 pm

I don't know about the name, its aleady the name of a marvel villain or hero, can' remember...

but the character looks great.

Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:24 pm

TGping wrote:I don't know about the name, its aleady the name of a marvel villain or hero, can' remember...

but the character looks great.

Hey so are another million other names

Then i'll just call him Super incredible captain iron spider dude avenger

Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:12 am

I don't mind Backlash, but if you don't like the name already being out there, how about Windstruck. I'm not sure, but I don't think that name has been used before. Googled it and all I came up with was some Japanese movie.

Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:07 pm

LOL

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:52 pm

Jimsloth- Im gonna start on the Ironhide tonight some. Is there anyway you can do up a more detailed transformaton? And also can i add some stuff to the design?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:24 am

shinmusashi44 wrote:Jimsloth- Im gonna start on the Ironhide tonight some. Is there anyway you can do up a more detailed transformaton? And also can i add some stuff to the design?

You can add whatever you like. Some form of leg transformation would be good. right now in the sketch they just rotate around at the waist and look the same in both modes. I just couldn't think of how to realistically do a leg transformation on inverted legs like that to make them look humanoid for robot mode. I tryed my best to design him in a way I could actually make as a toy. I can try to redraw the transformation tonight, but here are the important parts.

The front of the beast mode is the back of the robot mode. The chest splits in half and flops sides on two hinges.

in beast mode, the robot mode is inside the thick neck. in robot mode, the beast mode head is the chest, with the horns sticking out infront/slightly above the sholders. The thick neck hinges down to where the beast mode chest used to be, and looks like a hood in robot mode.

The ring on the nose of the bullhead is moveable, so when he's in robot mode, it would dangle flat by his waist, about where a belt buckle would be.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:58 pm

Jimsloth- Any news on the pic of the transformation?

And heres something i did some time back but forgot to post it. Its the monster mask for the Blackarachnia design.

Ok heres the bot pic i did way back.

And heres the "mask" for the alt mode.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:31 pm

wow thats creepy. I don't get the whole horror/sexy la'femme nakita thing. Blood just doesn't turn me on, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Sorry, the transformation pic sliped my mind. I'll get right on that right now.

Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:52 am

OK, so before I go to bed, heres a REALLY quick sketch of Ironhide's robot mode. I don't know what details to add to him, I don't know what to do with his tail in bot mode, I don't know if I like this type of loin cloth, and I don't know how much I like this leg transformation. Lots of Don F. style symbol/tatoos would be cool. I do like the idea of the greek key design on the wrist cuffs, since ironhides helmut has always looked kinda greco/roman and thats where the minotaur myth comes from. And that battel axe could be much cooler, just threw it in there for a place holder. I'll get back to doing more "how he transforms" sketching tomarrow.

Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:31 am

Here's the first transformation pic. Minotaur's back with bull head starting to be folded to robot chest. Things to note, I drew the spine piece that connects it too long. The shape of it is right though. Does this help? What parts are you still confused on?

and here's the second new transformation pic. Head folding out of neck, rest of neck folding back to become the hood. Beast mode chest halves rotating around to be on either side of the Bull Head. The piece connecting the arm to the torso drawn in the first drawing is what allows the arms to rotate/ stay on the outside of the body as the torso halves flip around.

Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:34 am

I dont understand where the beast chest goes. In the first pic its there then in the next step its not and the beast neck folds down.

Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:50 am

shinmusashi44 wrote:I dont understand where the beast chest goes. In the first pic its there then in the next step its not and the beast neck folds down.

It splits in half, and rotates to either side of the bull head. Because of this, the robot chest would be much wider than the Minotaur chest.

Maybe this isn't good, maybe there would be more material in the center of the beast chest than would allow for this to be possible. I don't know, what do you think. If there were an extra pannel made from the center of the beast mode chest (it would have the abs from the waist, up to the base of the neck), where should it go? I suppose it could hinge on the center of the waist. It would then flip down... AND BE THE LOIN CLOTH!! thats perfect! In beast mode he won't have a loin cloth, and the center of the chest will flip down between the legs, the opposite side of it looking like a loin cloth. Wow, I would never have thought of that if you hadn't questioned me on my scale issue. Many thanks.

Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:24 pm

OK, here's the Beast mode. Two versions of the pic, one with the axe, one without.

Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:19 pm

Asphalt wrote:looks nice, but umm why two thumbs?

because when you rotate his arms around, and then his hands around, the front becomes the back and vice versa. If he only had one thumb, in one of the modes, it would be on the wrong side of his hand. I figured it didn't really matter, him having two thumbs that is, since he's a minotaur and all. I was going to make the finger nails look really prominent as well, kind of like hoof nails. Anyways, have you ever seen Exo-squad? The alien/hybrid race had two thumbs and I always though it looked really cool.

Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:31 pm

shinmusashi44 wrote:I dont understand where the beast chest goes. In the first pic its there then in the next step its not and the beast neck folds down.

In case I never said it before, the center of the beast mode chest is somewhat hollow. heres some really rough cross section aireal views. Starts out in beast mode, showing his chest and arms, the chest splits in half and rotates towards his back, his arms rotate to the outside of the body, the head is then shown folded down along the beast modes back, at this point the center pannel of the beast modes chest would flip down inbetween the legs, the entire lower section of the body then rotates 180' around a point at the base of the spine. Thats the end of the pictures, but after that, the neck would hinge open, shell section towards the robot mode's back to become the hood, back of the neck pannel forwards ontop of the bull head to reveal the robot mode head.

Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:10 pm

Heres a idea i had for the hands and feet. Just throwing ideas out there. I thought it would look cooler with 2 fingers and a thumb. Makes it look more beastly. I'll do up some more stuff later today.

Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:14 pm

I'll also work more on the legs. Im thinking of some more ideas for it.

Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:53 pm

jimsloth wrote:
Asphalt wrote:looks nice, but umm why two thumbs?

because when you rotate his arms around, and then his hands around, the front becomes the back and vice versa. If he only had one thumb, in one of the modes, it would be on the wrong side of his hand. I figured it didn't really matter, him having two thumbs that is, since he's a minotaur and all. I was going to make the finger nails look really prominent as well, kind of like hoof nails. Anyways, have you ever seen Exo-squad? The alien/hybrid race had two thumbs and I always though it looked really cool.

you could just make them fold over to the other side of the hand, like ... wait who has thumbs like that? I thought Optimal Optimus did, but now I don't remember.

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