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I'm calling him "N.E.S.T." Bumblebee because of the logos on the toy and as not to confuse him with Human Alliance.

Anyway I was looking at some pictures of him and he looks like a remold of one of the Bumblebee figures I allready own except there's something I can't figure out.

The NEST version has a cannon arm. The one I have just holds the cannon and it fits in between his legs in vehicle mode. The NEST version looks like it's actully molded into his arm so I can't figure out where it would fit in the vehicle.

Allso the one I have doesn't have a missle but the NEST one does so even if the cannon is detachable there's still no way to store his amo in vehicle mode.

Now just so you know the one I'm compairing him to is the one that came with Classics and Animated Bumblebee's who I belive is a repaint of the Stealth Bumblebee. I'm compairing these two versions because with the exception of the cannon I can't figure out they appear to have the same transformation. The arms become the roof and in that position there's no space to hide a cannon and unless the cannon is detatchable which it doesn't look like it is, there's no way to get it between his legs. And then even if the cannon can be stored between his legs there's no room for the missle.

Speaking of legs are there any delux Bumblebee's that don't have the same legs? My brother got me the one with the pop out shoulder cannons and the upper body has a completly different transformation but the legs are the same ones from my other Bumbelebee. He even has the peg holes to hold the cannon in place still molded in even though he doesn't have an arm cannon to put there.

All Deluxe BB's share the same basic mold, they are remolds of the original 2007 concept BB mold.
different versions have different remoldings in the upper body area (chest, head, shoulders, arms), but the legs on all of them have remained the same throughout the life of the mold.

Nest BB actually uses the remolded Preview Bumblebee mold from Revenge of the Fallen with the new Cannon Arm.
Yes, the cannon is removable, however he has no actual hand on that arm. So you just get a peg.

It also has the remolded front Bumper (body kit) for the more screen accurate Revenge of the Fallen look.

The one in the 3 pack is a based on the Stealth retool, with the new head yes.

I have NEST BB. The cannon attached to his arm has a hinge so when you transform it it fits between his legs like the unattached gun in the previous mold. The missile is stored in the cannon and looks kind of like exhaust. Because the gun remains attached to the arm, the transformation is a little more fidgety than the one from the first movie, but not much.

Overcracker wrote:All Deluxe BB's share the same basic mold, they are remolds of the original 2007 concept BB mold.

Not really accurate there. The one with the pop out cannons has a completly different mold. The arms are actully movie accurate where the others are just formed from his roof, the chest can not split for a movie accurate look, the stomach is formed from his seats (yes he actully has seats which look better than the Human Alliance version.) Basically he's not a simple remold which remolds all share the same but different looking parts which results in the exact same transformation (Unless you're the Japanese version of RID Megatron/Galvatron). The 2 delux Bumblebees I have are completly different except for the legs.

Rial Vestro wrote:

Overcracker wrote:All Deluxe BB's share the same basic mold, they are remolds of the original 2007 concept BB mold.

Not really accurate there. The one with the pop out cannons has a completly different mold. The arms are actully movie accurate where the others are just formed from his roof, the chest can not split for a movie accurate look, the stomach is formed from his seats (yes he actully has seats which look better than the Human Alliance version.) Basically he's not a simple remold which remolds all share the same but different looking parts which results in the exact same transformation (Unless you're the Japanese version of RID Megatron/Galvatron). The 2 delux Bumblebees I have are completly different except for the legs.

That's called 'retooling a mold' not making a new one. I said it was remolding the correct term is 'Retooling'.

A retool is a newer version of an existing Transformers toy which has had parts either added, removed, or resculpted. This can be as simple as changing a single part to provide stability or ease of transformation, or as complex as altering a large percentage of the toy's appearance or gimmickry. In rare cases, extensive retooling even changes some aspects of a toy's transformation.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Retool

So Cannon BB is not a new mold but a retool of an existing mold.

Yes its heavily retooled, but it still uses the 2007 Bumblebee mold as its base as evidenced by the waist and legs of the figure.
Its not common for a retooling to be this extensive though.

Overcracker wrote:

Rial Vestro wrote:

Overcracker wrote:All Deluxe BB's share the same basic mold, they are remolds of the original 2007 concept BB mold.

Not really accurate there. The one with the pop out cannons has a completly different mold. The arms are actully movie accurate where the others are just formed from his roof, the chest can not split for a movie accurate look, the stomach is formed from his seats (yes he actully has seats which look better than the Human Alliance version.) Basically he's not a simple remold which remolds all share the same but different looking parts which results in the exact same transformation (Unless you're the Japanese version of RID Megatron/Galvatron). The 2 delux Bumblebees I have are completly different except for the legs.

That's called 'retooling a mold' not making a new one. I said it was remolding the correct term is 'Retooling'.

A retool is a newer version of an existing Transformers toy which has had parts either added, removed, or resculpted. This can be as simple as changing a single part to provide stability or ease of transformation, or as complex as altering a large percentage of the toy's appearance or gimmickry. In rare cases, extensive retooling even changes some aspects of a toy's transformation.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Retool

So Cannon BB is not a new mold but a retool of an existing mold.

Yes its heavily retooled, but it still uses the 2007 Bumblebee mold as its base as evidenced by the waist and legs of the figure.
Its not common for a retooling to be this extensive though.

You know some of the transformers listed on that page are not retooled or remolded in any way but are just straight repaints.

Others are remolded.

I think actully the cannon bumblebee is closer to what TM Ravage and Tigatron are to Cheetor. It's not a simple remold because the head and hand on Ravage/Tigatron are completly different molds.

Retool seems to be a little unspicific and appears to include alot of different stuff.

Repaint and Remold however are verry spicific. Repaint meaning the mold is exactly the same as it was just with a new paint job. Remold meaning new details were added to the exsisting mold.

The mold BTW which is actully several different molds for each of the parts that form the toy. This means that the parts for cannon Bumblebee could not of been made from the mold for the original toy with the exception of his legs. The rest of his parts would have to be made out of a new mold.

Exemple, Ravage's chest is a slightly different shape than Cheetors. That part was just remolded from the original. The head and hands however are new molds.

I guess what I really mean is "resculpt" or "reshape" sence remolds are nothing more than just that.

Yes O.K. Some are just repaints there, but most of them do have noticeable alterations.

Still what I'm getting at, is that like with Metals Ravage and Tigatron, they did not set out to make a new figure from scratch they took an existing set of molds for an existing figure and worked off of that. Modifying and Altering certain parts of it to add features or gimmicks.

The Base mold for it is still 2007 Movie BB. That's been the base mold (or molds) for every Deluxe BB out there including Cannon Bumblebee.

Any changes made to it still fall under the category of being the same mold with alterations. Unlike say Human Alliance BB which was in fact a completely new figure with a completely new set of molds.

Just like 10th Anniversary Megatron and Primal are completely new molds for an existing character, as are Universe Dinobot and Cheetor.

No parts of an existing figure's molds where used in the creation of those figures.

As it stands Cannon Bumblebee is still considered a retool, remold, re-sculpt or reshape or whatever you want to call it of an existing mold or set of molds for a particular figure.

Overcracker wrote:Just like 10th Anniversary Megatron and Primal are completely new molds for an existing character

Wait I'm confused about which toys you're talking about because Megatron and Primal each had two seperate figures made for that same toy line. One of the molds was entirely new and was allso repainted for the Cybertron toy line. The other molds were reissues of their original forms which were remolded and repainted to be more screen accurate than the original toys.

Here's some pictures of them...





As you can see these are remolds.





These however are new molds.

Both are from the same toy line.

I was referring to these:

Rial Vestro wrote: