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ausbot wrote:This needs to be re-issued like now but with better paint jobs on the single figures heads, and with a bonus Deathcobra.

I was really hoping that this was going to be Encore #24- I thought Fort Max being rereleased meant anything was possible

Rated X wrote:The "breast force" ?

Nice galleries as always, but what were they thinking ? That was the sake talking I guess...

Our English is used a bit differently in Japan, a bit more liberal in overall definitions (like "smart" for "small"). Besides, it doesn't really refer to mammary glands per se, more like to their transforming Breastplates (yes, they are called that, and they do exist!).

Good to see the God of Combiners being in the spotlight in the galleries. This deserves a video:

Liokaiser was the best combiner of any 1980's Transformers fiction, being the only combiner who wasn't shown off all at once, but rather, was built up little by little over time, with each of his components getting some focus before the last member finally arrived and the time came for all of them to combine for the very first time, in which we got an epic fight scene that had Liokaiser actually come very close to winning. And every time he would return, he was virtually unbeatable.

Sabrblade wrote:Liokaiser was the best combiner of any 1980's Transformers fiction, being the only combiner who wasn't shown off all at once, but rather, was built up little by little over time, with each of his components getting some focus before the last member finally arrived and the time came for all of them to combine for the very first time, in which we got an epic fight scene that had Liokaiser actually come very close to winning. And every time he would return, he was virtually unbeatable.

Talk about real character development despite being a kids(?) show.Poor Cobra.......

fenrir72 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Liokaiser was the best combiner of any 1980's Transformers fiction, being the only combiner who wasn't shown off all at once, but rather, was built up little by little over time, with each of his components getting some focus before the last member finally arrived and the time came for all of them to combine for the very first time, in which we got an epic fight scene that had Liokaiser actually come very close to winning. And every time he would return, he was virtually unbeatable.

Talk about real character development despite being a kids(?) show.Poor Cobra.......

Poor Deathcobra indeed ...

Hey, any chance we'll see their European Autobot Counterparts? Their names suck though:

Rescue Force (Leozack)
Rescue Force 1 (Killbison)
Rescue Force 2 (Jallguar/Jarugar)
Rescue Force 3 (Drillhorn)

Big Rescue Force (Liokaiser)

Jeen0808 wrote:More combiner galleries, eh? 2001's Robots in Disguise Landfill, anyone?

They're on my list hopefully for later this year. I've got them pulled out of storage right now so that I can do their galleries at long last along with all of the other Constructicon galleries that are missing aside from the initial Constructicons and the Micromaster Constructicons.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Hey, any chance we'll see their European Autobot Counterparts? Their names suck though:

Rescue Force (Leozack)
Rescue Force 1 (Killbison)
Rescue Force 2 (Jallguar/Jarugar)
Rescue Force 3 (Drillhorn)

Big Rescue Force (Liokaiser)

You bet! Except I don't think I'm going to go with those ridiculous names (other than Big Rescue Force). It's obvious from those absurd names, as well as how they were portrayed in their one fictional appearance, that the writer had no idea what he was doing. "Rescue Force Jet Type", for example, will suffice similar to the unnamed Hasbro Powerdashers, which technically go by Powerdasher Drill Type, etc.

I also finished up the 13 necessary galleries for the Multiforce which includes Landcross, the 6 individual Multiforce members, and the 6 primary combinations (such as "Wingwaver" and "Waverwing") along with 1 shot of their other combinations along with using the reissue for the combination with itself (i.e. "Wingwing", "Dashdash" and so on).

The Rescue Force and the reissue Multiforce are next on my list, followed by Masterpiece Star Saber.

Victory has been assaulting my eyes, ears, hands, and face (somehow) over the past couple weeks. I feel so out of the loop, having never watched the series.

To that end, just bought the Shout DVD set of Victory off Amazon. I'll be in on these jokes and such soon. Well, probably not soon, but within a few months.


Edit: Can someone explain to me where Lio"kaiser" comes from? See below for source of this question.

ScottyP wrote:Edit: Can someone explain to me where Lio"kaiser" comes from? See below for source of this question.

The English names of many of the Victory characters, along with many other Japanese Transformers, are complicated by the Engrish on the boxes, the pronunciations in the shows, and the translations of their Japanese names. Other conflicting names are Minerva (Minelba), Jallugar (Jarugar or simply Jaguar depending on who you ask), Deszaras versus Deathsaurus, Brestforce versus Breastforce, Gaihawk versus Guyhawk, Liokaiser (pronounced like a "kaiser" roll) versus Road Caesar (pronounced like Julius "Caesar"). Other honorable mentions with screwy names and/or spellings are the Trainbots and the Dinoforce members. I don't have a specific answer to your question. As for the spellings on Seibertron, I usually do a bit of research first, and then list them based on what appears to be the most common acceptance of their name. It's not perfect, but it seems to work for the most part.

The real question I have is ... what the heck happened to their non-breastplate weapons? It's obvious to me that they were planned to have a secondary weapon at some point. This image from one of the Million Publishing books shows an image of what appears to be their individual weapons as well as a weapon similar to the weapon Liokaiser has in the cartoon. The combination aspect of these weapons is very similar to the combination of the Multiforce figures as well. It's a bummer that this set doesn't have these weapons ... it would be an even better set than it already is if they had them.

Seibertron wrote:The real question I have is ... what the heck happened to their non-breastplate weapons? It's obvious to me that they were planned to have a secondary weapon at some point. This image from one of the Million Publishing books shows an image of what appears to be their individual weapons as well as a weapon similar to the weapon Liokaiser has in the cartoon. The combination aspect of these weapons is very similar to the combination of the Multiforce figures as well. It's a bummer that this set doesn't have these weapons ... it would be an even better set than it already is if they had them.

Just speculation (obviously, I hope), but maybe those were the plan and then they went to the Breastforce weapons? Maybe they were going to be "DX Micromasters" like Landcross with melee weapons to counter their blasters and things changed? Only logical explanation I can come up with other than budget.

Those weapons and their combination reminds me a great deal of the ones that came with the Cyberverse sized Beast Hunters Predacons.

Seibertron wrote:

ScottyP wrote:Edit: Can someone explain to me where Lio"kaiser" comes from? See below for source of this question.

The English names of many of the Victory characters, along with many other Japanese Transformers, are complicated by the Engrish on the boxes, the pronunciations in the shows, and the translations of their Japanese names. Other conflicting names are Minerva (Minelba), Jallugar (Jarugar or simply Jaguar depending on who you ask), Deszaras versus Deathsaurus, Brestforce versus Breastforce, Gaihawk versus Guyhawk, Liokaiser (pronounced like a "kaiser" roll) versus Road Caesar (pronounced like Julius "Caesar"). Other honorable mentions with screwy names and/or spellings are the Trainbots and the Dinoforce members. I don't have a specific answer to your question. As for the spellings on Seibertron, I usually do a bit of research first, and then list them based on what appears to be the most common acceptance of their name. It's not perfect, but it seems to work for the most part.

It takes a bit Latin know-how for the "Caesar" part. You see, Victory actually used two pronunciations for that word:

1) For Liokaiser, the archaic correct "kaisar" (from which the German "Kaiser", Dutch "Keizer" and even Russian "Czar" are derived). In Japan that's rendered as カイザー (kaizā)
2) For Road Caesar, the more common English "seezah". Rendered in Japanese as シーザー (shizā)

Both are considered "correct", depending who you ask. The first one is used more often in mecha anime in various English spellings, like "Kizer".

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:It takes a bit Latin know-how for the "Caesar" part. You see, Victory actually used two pronunciations for that word:

1) For Liokaiser, the archaic correct "kaisar" (from which the German "Kaiser", Dutch "Keizer" and even Russian "Czar" are derived). In Japan that's rendered as カイザー (kaizā)
2) For Road Caesar, the more common English "seezah". Rendered in Japanese as シーザー (shizā)

The first one is used more often in mecha anime in various English spellings, like "Kizer".

I knew I could count on you! Cool stuff, and it makes my brain happy. Thanks

ScottyP wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:It takes a bit Latin know-how for the "Caesar" part. You see, Victory actually used two pronunciations for that word:

1) For Liokaiser, the archaic correct "kaisar" (from which the German "Kaiser", Dutch "Keizer" and even Russian "Czar" are derived). In Japan that's rendered as カイザー (kaizā)
2) For Road Caesar, the more common English "seezah". Rendered in Japanese as シーザー (shizā)

The first one is used more often in mecha anime in various English spellings, like "Kizer".

I knew I could count on you! Cool stuff, and it makes my brain happy. Thanks

Informally we use the different spellings (German vs. Latin) to differentiate between pronunciations. It's not as bad as "Gregevor" or "Rartorata" thankfully

I agree. This could really use a reissue. I would buy it in a heart-beat for its uniqueness. Ah well... until then, I have the cruddy dime store knock off...

Seibertron wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Liokaiser was the best combiner of any 1980's Transformers fiction, being the only combiner who wasn't shown off all at once, but rather, was built up little by little over time, with each of his components getting some focus before the last member finally arrived and the time came for all of them to combine for the very first time, in which we got an epic fight scene that had Liokaiser actually come very close to winning. And every time he would return, he was virtually unbeatable.

Talk about real character development despite being a kids(?) show.Poor Cobra.......

Poor Deathcobra indeed ...

Killings and destruction yey! But Leozack was so stoopid to believe that Hori could......(spoilers) you guys know what I mean.

If Tomy can eer get to restoring the Mastermolds of these guys, Deathsaurus especially, no need for an MP one to go toe to toe with MP Star Saber.

Btw Ryan, any chance for a comparison pic between MP Star Saber and G1 Deathsaurus? Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasssssssssseeeeeeee?

fenrir72 wrote:Btw Ryan, any chance for a comparison pic between MP Star Saber and G1 Deathsaurus? Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasssssssssseeeeeeee?

I can do that but there's not much to see since Deszaras was shorter than G1 Star Saber.

Ya know, it would be nice if Has/Tak made a Combiner Wars Liokaieser.

Seibertron wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Btw Ryan, any chance for a comparison pic between MP Star Saber and G1 Deathsaurus? Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasssssssssseeeeeeee?

I can do that but there's not much to see since Deszaras was shorter than G1 Star Saber.

Make a heroic samurai slicing the enemy pose just like Kenshin Himura does and Dezaras falling..... that would be priceless(I know of the poseability limitations but couple that with the smoke effect you did for Exhaust........ )

I wish more combiner teams had themed helmets like these guys.

Noideaforaname wrote:I wish more combiner teams had themed helmets like these guys.

The RiD Teams had them too, and so did some of the teams from the Brave series.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:I wish more combiner teams had themed helmets like these guys.

The RiD Teams had them too, and so did some of the teams from the Brave series.

The Brave series doesn't count. Which RID Teams had them?

Seibertron wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:I wish more combiner teams had themed helmets like these guys.

The RiD Teams had them too, and so did some of the teams from the Brave series.

The Brave series doesn't count. Which RID Teams had them?

I think JelZe might mean that Team Bullet Train and the Build Team also head themed helmets like these guys do. Though, while the Breastforce has animal-themed helmets, Team Bullet Train has, well, bullet train-themed helmets and the Build Team has construction vehicle-themed helmets (Wedge's helmet is bulldozer-themed, Heavy Load's is dump truck-themed, etc.).

If not that, then I dunno either.

Seibertron wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:I wish more combiner teams had themed helmets like these guys.

The RiD Teams had them too, and so did some of the teams from the Brave series.

The Brave series doesn't count. Which RID Teams had them?

Both Team Bullet Train and the Build Team: the top of the helmets were based on the front of their vehicle modes.