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News Credits: 5749 · by **El Duque** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:01 am

Some new images of TFC Toys Hercules have surfaced on ACToys that shed a little more light on the figure's poseability. Up until now Hercules has always been seen standing straight up in static positions, and some had even questioned if the figure had knee joints. These images, which show Hercules assembled using two Exgravers and two Structors to form a "complete" robot, should put some of those doubts to rest. Images mirrored below.

News Credits: 2 · by **Requiem Prime** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:18 am

None of the picks are of him complete, but still =P~

What WAS with all the griping he didn't have knees? Honestly, a third party on a project this big (and expensive) not having something that basic? Now, the fear he couldn't support himself off center, that needed debunking.

Also, he definite needs the shovel covering Exgraver's head, it takes me right out.

by **Grimlock1985** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:21 am

Well... that's nice looking. Not much else to say.

by **Rated X** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:38 am

Looks great !!! But the guns suck and we need a head with a visor. Hope another 3rd party company will take care of this.

News Credits: 8 · by **LiKwid** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:14 am

Cant wait to stand this guy next to my unicrons!

News Credits: 5749 · by **El Duque** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:18 am

LiKwid wrote:Cant wait to stand this guy next to my unicrons!

Speaking of which...........

News Credits: 2 · by **Requiem Prime** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:30 am

Finally... Loving the size of this beast

News Credits: 1082 · by **Tigertrack** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:35 am

I'm a bit meh on it right now. At this point I want the final shown, and available.

Plus I'm not sure that I like the way the arms are split at the top instead of together.

I know it won't be $600 wasted per se, but maybe not as excited about it as I was however many months ago we started seeing it.

by 009* » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:43 am

Looking forward to this now.

News Credits: 5749 · by **El Duque** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:44 am

tigertracks 24 wrote:I'm a bit meh on it right now. At this point I want the final shown, and available.

Plus I'm not sure that I like the way the arms are split at the top instead of together.

I know it won't be $600 wasted per se, but maybe not as excited about it as I was however many months ago we started seeing it.

Just rotate Exgraver's shovel up and it fills in the gap.

News Credits: 5 · by **alexison** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:16 pm

I'm kind of feeling the same way you are TT24. I'm getting tired of seeing almost completed pictures. I just want to see the final product and have it in my hands.

I know this thing is big, but being built with 6 voyagers, I was hoping it would be a little bigger. (always wanting more..I know I know)

by **donnie_707** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:43 pm

i thought he was going to be just as big as supreme class. but its good that he is a little bit smaller. that puts him in scale with everthing else.

News Credits: 11 · by **kirbenvost** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:51 pm

Lookin' pretty drool-worthy!

by **Astronopolis** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:27 pm

green shovel please!

News Credits: 402 · by **Mkall** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:43 pm

Green shovel, I didn't particularly mind either way, but I'm pleased it's green.

by **shortimusPrime** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:43 pm

"I really can't give Hasbro a pass on this anymore. I have a hard time believing that they have a more limited budget than these guys, it just doesn't make sense. I remember sitting at Botcon 2007 when they told us that the gestalts were just too complicated for their designers to do in their time frame. I'm gonna have to call bull on them. The transformations for Hercules are not all that complicated, but they are very effective. So Hasbro is telling me that they're paid designers can't do what a couple of guys in China who are basically doing what amounts to guerilla warfare with toys are doing.

Time to step it up boys."

I agree with you. Hasbro is telling us that its too complicated and professional designers can't tackle this problem but third parties designer can do it, what kind of BS is that. I know that want to make figures compatible to all ages but cant they see that its the fan that will really spend money on these thing. I feel like Hasbro is just not as good as it use to be at designing these figures. Im one of your biggest fan and you're leting down Hasbro.

News Credits: 2 · by **whacko** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:53 pm

Dr. Heavy B wrote:WHY CAN'T HASBRO DO THIS. there combiners are five guys, made from three molds, and they don't even have elbows

Because Hasbro has to build toys to a specific price-point.

If this thing hit Walmart or Toy R Us with its $600.00 price tag no one would buy it. Hell, most stores probably wouldn't even wanna stock it since it is so far outside the price range most consumers will pay for a toy.

When you are building a toy to a particular price point you need to make sure you don't over-invest in designing and manufacturing the toy so that the toy remains profitable to sell. 3rd parties have less constraints in this regard, especially if said 3rd party don't have a whole lot of overhead costs such as labor, facilities, etc to worry about.

News Credits: 2 · by **Nemesis Destron** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:54 pm

Interesting still but I figured this guy would tower over Unicron. But I'm still with the few and hold out for the MakeToys Devy...'nuff said! :VEHI:

News Credits: 1 · by **Rodimus Minor** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:15 pm

Requiem Prime wrote:Finally... Loving the size of this beast

Thats what she said :lol:

Moving on I agree with you this thing is huge

News Credits: 1 · by **rpetras** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:15 pm

I got HeavyLabor in the mail Wednesday and he is awesome!

I just need Hook to be able to form a passable Devastator on the shelf.

I'll have him behind the rest of my Decepticons so you won't notice the lack of actual legs and missing arm.

My 11 year old self is finally getting the Devastator he's always wanted. :grin:

News Credits: 9 · by **Mykltron** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:20 pm

With thighs that short and shoulder articulation that limited I'm spending my money on something else.

by **skooba81** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:52 pm

loving this bad boy so far, ordered exgraver and heavy labor and pre ordered the other 2 from robot kingdom...I am in agreement with everyone about the visor, I would also like to see the pruplr chestplate to really top off that G1 goodness!!!

by **ButtZilla** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:06 pm

Hmmmmmmmmmm.....so where's Mixmaster in the new pics? 2 scrappers as legs? lol

by **donnie_707** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:21 pm

whacko wrote:
Dr. Heavy B wrote:WHY CAN'T HASBRO DO THIS. there combiners are five guys, made from three molds, and they don't even have elbows

Because Hasbro has to build toys to a specific price-point.

If this thing hit Walmart or Toy R Us with its $600.00 price tag no one would buy it. Hell, most stores probably wouldn't even wanna stock it since it is so far outside the price range most consumers will pay for a toy.

When you are building a toy to a particular price point you need to make sure you don't over-invest in designing and manufacturing the toy so that the toy remains profitable to sell. 3rd parties have less constraints in this regard, especially if said 3rd party don't have a whole lot of overhead costs such as labor, facilities, etc to worry about.

tfc and hasbro produce on a different scale. if hasbro was to produce this devi...they would find ways to cut cost. and since hasbro would be mass producing this figure it would cost exceptionally less. since tfc is only making limited quantities....they gotta jack the price up(or the retailers jacking them up.....BBTS lookin at you).

and i dont wanna hear crap about over investing in design and manufacturing.....they have been doing this for over 20 years. they had some great toys in the RID, energon, cybertron series. even some good looking combiners(omega prime, jetwing prime, landfill, railracer). it just seems like they are willing to sacrafice quality for quantity nowadays since the company has gotten so big with movieverse......but i guess it comes with the territory. rant/