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News Credits: 4877 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:20 am

Fellow Seibertronian JTPrime17 found listings for some upcoming figures which clarifies previous news we got. Remember that Bat crossover? Well the new listing for that product has it as a Universal Dracula collaborative. And we even know the name, Draculus. This is supposedly a redeco/retool of Titans Return Mindwipe. We also have more info on a Prime Optimus Prime listing that had surfaced. While we all thought that referred to Optimus Prime from the Prime show, it turns out it's a crossover with the Amazon brand so we are getting an Amazon Prime Optimus Prime. Afterall, many have forgotten what Prime day is all about and who's death we commemorate that day, so hopefully this toy will help.

News Credits: 462 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:41 am

Bela Lugosi or we riot.

News Credits: 14 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:58 am

and here I was hoping for Christopher Lee, so he can be Count Dooku.

We never got a Count Dooku in the previous Star Wars Crossovers.

News Credits: 7 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:04 am

One neat idea is to use a G1 Scourge for Robot Mode,with the alternate mode remolded to be a coffin.

But personally,I think they should an Hotel Transylvania Dracula.

News Credits: 65 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:44 am

Titans Return Wierdwolf into The Wolf Man when?

News Credits: 332 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:58 am

So if this figure really sucks it'll be on purpose? Get it... see what I did there... Humor is lost on the young.

News Credits: 56 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:24 pm

Hrmm... This is kind of cool. Also considering the Universal Dracula film is celebrating its's 90th anniversary, hopefully we can get more. This is also the 90th anniversary of Universal's Frankenstein. I wonder however, if this will be some sort of Universal Studios exclusive? (ala the Evac toys, and SS48 DotM Megatron)

I would think Mindwipe retool would be a slam-dunk, but we will see

Frankenstein(1931)-Autobot X
The Mummy (1932) ?
The Invisible Man (1933) -Mirage

The Wolf Man (1941)-Weirdwolf or Fangry
Phantom of the Opera (1943) ?
Creature from the Black Lagoon (1954) Submarauder?

News Credits: 6 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:49 pm

Might be thinking too literal on the name, but it led me to immediately think of Cyclonus? He kind of has the right stature in Bot Mode. But as we already know, none of these crossover figures have been retools. So I'll be curious to see where they go with this one. A big fan of Universal Monsters, so this is the first crossover since Terminator (Although I am an X-Men fan, I was never looking forward to X-Spanse) that I'm actually curious about.

News Credits: 1350 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:57 pm

Actually, most of the crossover figures have been retools of a sort, aside from Maverick, the odd one out

News Credits: 56 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:59 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:But as we already know, none of these crossover figures have been retools.

??
I could be wrong, but I think the Top Gun Toy was the only one that wasn't an extensive retool...

Ectotron- CW Hotspot
Gigawatt- Siege Sideswipe
X-Spanse- SS Jetfire

News Credits: 14 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:00 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Might be thinking too literal on the name, but it led me to immediately think of Cyclonus? He kind of has the right stature in Bot Mode. But as we already know, none of these crossover figures have been retools. So I'll be curious to see where they go with this one. A big fan of Universal Monsters, so this is the first crossover since Terminator (Although I am an X-Men fan, I was never looking forward to X-Spanse) that I'm actually curious about.

They've been 50% retools / engineering sharing and 50% new molds.

Maverick was a new mold.
X-Men was a new mold
GhostBusaters was a retool, or engineering re-use if you will
BTTF was again engineering retool.

How extensive Mindwipe will be retooled or what part of its engineering will be used is the question.

News Credits: 6 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:00 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:Actually, most of the crossover figures have been retools of a sort, aside from Maverick, the odd one out

Ironically, Maverick is the only one I've seen in person. So I just assumed they were all the same. Although I did think Gigawatt might have been a Datsun or Battlecharger mold.

News Credits: 1350 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:01 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:Actually, most of the crossover figures have been retools of a sort, aside from Maverick, the odd one out

Ironically, Maverick is the only one I've seen in person. So I just assumed they all were all the same. Although I did think Gigawatt might have been a Datsun or Battlecharger mold.

Siege Sideswipe funnily enough

News Credits: 14 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:03 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:Actually, most of the crossover figures have been retools of a sort, aside from Maverick, the odd one out

Ironically, Maverick is the only one I've seen in person. So I just assumed they were all the same. Although I did think Gigawatt might have been a Datsun or Battlecharger mold.

Gigawatt was a Sideswipe retool.

Ecto 1 was a massive reengineering of CW Onslaught.

Maverick and X-Panse were new molds.

News Credits: 56 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:05 pm

Overcracker wrote:Maverick and X-Panse were new molds.

As stated above, X-Panse was an extensive retool of SS Jetfire

News Credits: 14 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:12 pm

o.supreme wrote:
Overcracker wrote:Maverick and X-Panse were new molds.

As stated above, X-Panse was an extensive retool of SS Jetfire

I disagree. Only thing they share is the blackbird alt mode. And its even a different blackbird design.

There's nothing from SS Jetfire there at all.

If it was that extensive a retool it might as well be a new mold.

Transformers Collaborative X-Men The Ultimate X-Spanse Vs ROTF Jetfire (6)__scaled_800.jpg

Transformers Collaborative X-Men The Ultimate X-Spanse Vs ROTF Jetfire (7)__scaled_600.jpg

News Credits: 56 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:15 pm

Overcracker wrote:I disagree...There's nothing from SS Jetfire there at all.

Look again...

TF Wiki wrote:The fifth figure in the Collaborative line, Ultimate X-Spanse transforms into a licensed Lockheed Martin SR-71 Blackbird based on the X-Jet. X-Spanse reuses multiple vehicle mode parts from Studio Series Leader Class Jetfire. His design and deco is inspired by the X-Men costumes from the 1992 animated series, even featuring Rob Liefeld-esque pouches and a flip-up visor based on that of Cyclops. X-Spanse boasts an impressive range of articulation in robot mode, including a ball-jointed inner-shoulder, a double-ratcheted knee bend, and a slight ab crunch with additional side-to-side.

News Credits: 6 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:24 pm

Overcracker wrote:Ecto 1 was a massive reengineering of CW Onslaught.

That one, impresses me. For HasTak to go to such lengths:

TFWiki wrote:Ectotron shares several parts with the Combiner Wars Voyager Class Hot Spot/Onslaught mold, most evidently the upper arms and legs.

Surely it would have been less effort to just make him brand new, like Maverick? :???:

News Credits: 14 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:26 pm

o.supreme wrote:
Overcracker wrote:I disagree...There's nothing from SS Jetfire there at all.

Look again...
TF Wiki wrote:The fifth figure in the Collaborative line, Ultimate X-Spanse transforms into a licensed Lockheed Martin SR-71 Blackbird based on the X-Jet. X-Spanse reuses multiple vehicle mode parts from Studio Series Leader Class Jetfire. His design and deco is inspired by the X-Men costumes from the 1992 animated series, even featuring Rob Liefeld-esque pouches and a flip-up visor based on that of Cyclops. X-Spanse boasts an impressive range of articulation in robot mode, including a ball-jointed inner-shoulder, a double-ratcheted knee bend, and a slight ab crunch with additional side-to-side.

The only thing there that looks somewhat similar are the panels on their backs. Its very much a completely new mold, with new engineering. Minus a couple of shared panels.

News Credits: 7 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:26 pm

Dracula could be a retool of TR Mindwipe.

News Credits: 19 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:57 pm

Interested in the dracula cross over, not too fussed about amazon prime unless he looks like an amazon

rather than just having an amazon sticker slapped on his trailer

News Credits: 14 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:08 pm

blackeyedprime wrote:Interested in the dracula cross over, not too fussed about amazon prime unless he looks like an amazon rather than just having an amazon sticker slapped on his trailer

Like Pepsi Prime, and Ghost busters Prime, that's likely what its going to be. An amazon labeled Earthrised Prime. Doubt't they'd go to the trouble of repainitng the MP for this.

Also, it will probably come with Amazon packages you can stuff in the trailer.

amazonoptimus.jpg

News Credits: 4877 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:25 pm

Overcracker wrote: Its very much a completely new mold
Minus a couple of shared panels.

Those shared panels are all you need to stop it from being a completely new mold. Also, not all the engineering is new, the top half used the same transformation design from Jetfire. It's based on that mold and expanded on, it wasn't made designed from scratch.

It's a really elaborate retool, just like all of these toys are (with the top gun one being totally new).

News Credits: 14 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:42 pm

william-james88 wrote:
Overcracker wrote: Its very much a completely new mold
Minus a couple of shared panels.

Those shared panels are all you need to stop it from being a completely new mold. Also, not all the engineering is new, the top half used the same transformation design from Jetfire. It's based on that mold and expanded on, it wasn't made designed from scratch.

It's a really elaborate retool, just like all of these toys are (with the top gun one being totally new).

It's way more elaborate than the other 2 retools if that is the case. I still don't see anything from SS Jetfire outside of the back panels.

Gigawatt is basically sideswipe with a different car shell. And as extensive as Ectotron is, you can still see Onslaught there.

Even Side by side, its difficult to see any resemblance between X-Panse and SS Jetfire.

Where do we draw the line between retool and new mold if 95% of the figure is different.