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What part of intentionally leaking faulse information are you not understanding?

Micheal Bay and crew have been giveing contridicting information about what will and won't be in ROTF yet every time one of them says "this is going to happen" someone posts a topic saying "confirmed" how can it be confirmed when they've addmitted to giveing us faulse information?

The latest one I've seen was that Roberto Orchi had confirmed that Megatron was in fact going to be in ROTF. However before that Micheal Bay had confirmed that Megatron was NOT going to return in ROTF. How can they both be confirmed when one is a lie.

Because of contradicting information like this there is no way of telling what is fact untill we actully get to see the finished movie. Nothing can actully be confirmed when the crew of ROTF is contridicting themselfs.

Robert Orci specifically said that he does not toy with the fans, like Michael Bay does, when it comes to things like this.

Saber Prime wrote:What part of intentionally leaking faulse information are you not understanding?

Micheal Bay and crew have been giveing contridicting information about what will and won't be in ROTF yet every time one of them says "this is going to happen" someone posts a topic saying "confirmed" how can it be confirmed when they've addmitted to giveing us faulse information?

The latest one I've seen was that Roberto Orchi had confirmed that Megatron was in fact going to be in ROTF. However before that Micheal Bay had confirmed that Megatron was NOT going to return in ROTF. How can they both be confirmed when one is a lie.

Because of contradicting information like this there is no way of telling what is fact untill we actully get to see the finished movie. Nothing can actully be confirmed when the crew of ROTF is contridicting themselfs.

And all this affects you how exactly?

Let people believe what they want to believe.

m1tsu wrote:Robert Orci specifically said that he does not toy with the fans, like Michael Bay does, when it comes to things like this.

Considering he did it for the first movie, that's a lie. I asked him a few questions about the first movie before it came out and every one of his answers that he gave me turned out to be a lie in the finnal movie.

One example I can give you.

Saber Prime: From the leaked script it looks like the Transformers have internal repair systems so why do they even need Ratchet?

Roberto Orchi: Nope there are no self healing robots in the movie.

Frenzy and Bumblebee were both damaged in battle durring the movie and both of them managed to get repaired without any assistance from a medic.

The only thing Ratchet did throughout the whole movie was zap Bumblebee with a laser that suposidly was a slow fix for his voice to start working at the end of the movie.

I asked him several other questions as well non of which I can actully remember right now but it doesn't matter, I made my point. Orchi is just as big a liar as Micheal Bay.

Saber Prime wrote:

m1tsu wrote:Robert Orci specifically said that he does not toy with the fans, like Michael Bay does, when it comes to things like this.

Considering he did it for the first movie, that's a lie. I asked him a few questions about the first movie before it came out and every one of his answers that he gave me turned out to be a lie in the finnal movie.

One example I can give you.

Saber Prime: From the leaked script it looks like the Transformers have internal repair systems so why do they even need Ratchet?

Roberto Orchi: Nope there are no self healing robots in the movie.

Frenzy and Bumblebee were both damaged in battle durring the movie and both of them managed to get repaired without any assistance from a medic.

The only thing Ratchet did throughout the whole movie was zap Bumblebee with a laser that suposidly was a slow fix for his voice to start working at the end of the movie.

I asked him several other questions as well non of which I can actully remember right now but it doesn't matter, I made my point. Orchi is just as big a liar as Micheal Bay.

ok the alspark regenerated frenzy and rachet prolly fixed bumblebee's legs. And to your first post we can confirem alot. We can confirm most of the characters that we've seen either in CGI or scences on the trailer. We can confirm fliming locations, actores ect I think your takinng this false info campaign alittle too hard.

I understand what you are saying, but I do think you are taking it to the extreme. At this point, there are some fairly safe bets:

1) Megatron--there are bits and pieces of him in the clips, there are the toys (the leader class is the most daunting), and there is the statement by Orci. Yes, until the movie is released we will not know for certain if Megatron is in the film, but at this point the liklihood is around 95%.

2) the Fallen--almost the same "proof" with as Megatron.

3) China--call sheets, props, and other leaks indicate part of the action will take place in China.

4) Egypt--see China above.

5) Devastator . . . you get the point.

Yes, it is impossible for a person not deeply connected with the film to truely know what is confirmed and what is not, but there are many aspects of the film that can be extrapolated to a fairly high degree of accuracy from different clips, toys, and other bits associated with making a movie.

Saber Prime wrote:

m1tsu wrote:Robert Orci specifically said that he does not toy with the fans, like Michael Bay does, when it comes to things like this.

Considering he did it for the first movie, that's a lie. I asked him a few questions about the first movie before it came out and every one of his answers that he gave me turned out to be a lie in the finnal movie.

One example I can give you.

Saber Prime: From the leaked script it looks like the Transformers have internal repair systems so why do they even need Ratchet?

Roberto Orchi: Nope there are no self healing robots in the movie.

Frenzy and Bumblebee were both damaged in battle durring the movie and both of them managed to get repaired without any assistance from a medic.

The only thing Ratchet did throughout the whole movie was zap Bumblebee with a laser that suposidly was a slow fix for his voice to start working at the end of the movie.

I asked him several other questions as well non of which I can actully remember right now but it doesn't matter, I made my point. Orchi is just as big a liar as Micheal Bay.

The was just part of a loophole. Who wants to sit around and watch Ratchet repair every injured soldier? It was probably part of a behind the scenes type thing, or maybe they have wireless technology to repair units from afar. Also do you remember Ratchet saying "We have been working on his voice box since it was injured in the fight with Barricade." or whatever. How could he work on his voice box if they weren't even on Earth?

Also for Frenzy, a thought, maybe there was still juice in one of the machines harvesting power from the Allspark and frenzy fused with random metal pieces to reform his body? Who knows, some sort of loophole in communication from story writer to director, w/e.

I know Bay would lie, because he even said himself he would spread false info, but for Orci to directly say that he does NOT toy with his fans, than what would be the point of him lying at this point when all evidence points to the obvious.

It's not just me. Alot of fans were angry with Orchi when information he gave on the movie fourms turned out to be faulse. I don't trust him any more than I trust Bay. Hell I actully trust Bay more, at least he addmitted to leaking faulse info.

[quote="m1tsu]Saber Prime: From the leaked script it looks like the Transformers have internal repair systems so why do they even need Ratchet?

Roberto Orchi: Nope there are no self healing robots in the movie.

Frenzy and Bumblebee were both damaged in battle durring the movie and both of them managed to get repaired without any assistance from a medic.
quote]

The was just part of a loophole. Who wants to sit around and watch Ratchet repair every injured soldier? It was probably part of a behind the scenes type thing, or maybe they have wireless technology to repair units from afar. Also do you remember Ratchet saying "We have been working on his voice box since it was injured in the fight with Barricade." or whatever. How could he work on his voice box if they weren't even on Earth?

Also for Frenzy, a thought, maybe there was still juice in one of the machines harvesting power from the Allspark and frenzy fused with random metal pieces to reform his body? Who knows, some sort of loophole in communication from story writer to director, w/e.

I know Bay would lie, because he even said himself he would spread false info, but for Orci to directly say that he does NOT toy with his fans, than what would be the point of him lying at this point when all evidence points to the obvious.[/quote]

Ummm, both Frenzy and Bumblebee, the 'self-healing' robots, came in direct contact with the Allspark when it was big. We *see* the Allspark regrow Frenzy a new body on screen, for heaven's sake. Am I the only one who caught that? Not hard to believe that touching the Allspark would similarly fix Bumblebee's voice. Ratchet had apparently been unable to fix it, and *wham* he can suddenly talk? If robots self-healing, BB would have regrown speaking abilities on his own before now. Nope: he touches Allspark, kazaaam.

Hence, no self-healing robots.

HK, self-healing idiot.

1. Reason, anything they say is news, may it be true or not.

2. We all knew, at least the ones with eyes and with the knowledge how stuff like this works, that Megatron was going to be in it, images, clicps, toys, promotional stuff ect.


Plus what ever Empire says about Megatron is always a lye they said Megatron would be a secret concept Stealth bomber designed by the US Airforce in the first movie and look how that turned out.

Dead Metal wrote:Plus what ever Empire says about Megatron is always a lye they said Megatron would be a secret concept Stealth bomber designed by the US Airforce in the first movie and look how that turned out.

Wasn't that actully Shia who said that in an interview. He was talking about the Rapter (Starscream) but he called it Megatron. Or are we talking about two completly different things now?

To me the self-healing thing is similar to humans.

Our bodies can self-heal to a certain extent. We get a cut. We heal. We break an arm. We need some more medical attention -- yet our body still plays a role.

I would guess the same is for the Autobots and Decepticons -- my guess is that Orci gave a very brief answer when more detail could have helped.

The bigger question is has Orci ever lied about a robot that was going to be in either film?

I agree with you that the contradiction between Bay, Orci, and possibly others is a bit irritating.

m1tsu wrote:Robert Orci specifically said that he does not toy with the fans, like Michael Bay does, when it comes to things like this.

Robert Orci is also the guy who said that he was sticking with established Star Trek canon when he was writting the new ST film.

Which we now know to be a lie.

Robert Orci is full of $h!+!!!!!!!

Saber Prime wrote:Considering he did it for the first movie, that's a lie. I asked him a few questions about the first movie before it came out and every one of his answers that he gave me turned out to be a lie in the finnal movie.

One example I can give you.

Saber Prime: From the leaked script it looks like the Transformers have internal repair systems so why do they even need Ratchet?

Roberto Orchi: Nope there are no self healing robots in the movie.

Frenzy and Bumblebee were both damaged in battle durring the movie and both of them managed to get repaired without any assistance from a medic.

Not to go off topic but even if the robots have a self repairing feature [ which I believe they do ] there would still be a need for Medics like Ratchet.

Saber Prime wrote:Orchi is just as big a liar as Micheal Bay.

Thats a fact.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:Considering he did it for the first movie, that's a lie. I asked him a few questions about the first movie before it came out and every one of his answers that he gave me turned out to be a lie in the finnal movie.

One example I can give you.

Saber Prime: From the leaked script it looks like the Transformers have internal repair systems so why do they even need Ratchet?

Roberto Orchi: Nope there are no self healing robots in the movie.

Frenzy and Bumblebee were both damaged in battle durring the movie and both of them managed to get repaired without any assistance from a medic.

Not to go off topic but even if the robots have a self repairing feature [ which I believe they do ] there would still be a need for Medics like Ratchet.

Why? Someone else allready made the human body comparison which would be great except that if you're makeing that comparison the Transformers seem to have the healing capability equivilant to that of Wolverine and how offten does he need a medic?

There have been self repairing robots used in Sci-fi before and non of them ever needed a mechanic.

Saber Prime wrote:
Why?

Because there are some injuries that can be attained in a life of war that the repair program could not deal with.

And they could always use a bot to preform surgeries.

Saber Prime wrote: Someone else allready made the human body comparison which would be great except that if you're makeing that comparison the Transformers seem to have the healing capability equivilant to that of Wolverine and how offten does he need a medic?

I wouldnt equate it with the healing powers of Wolverine but since you did....Wolverine has needed the services of doctors and medical bays a number of times that I can remember.

Saber Prime wrote:There have been self repairing robots used in Sci-fi before and non of them ever needed a mechanic.

Which ones are you think of???

Data and the robot/androids of Star Trek have all needed "mechanics" from time to time and they have self repairing programs.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote: Someone else allready made the human body comparison which would be great except that if you're makeing that comparison the Transformers seem to have the healing capability equivilant to that of Wolverine and how offten does he need a medic?

I wouldnt equate it with the healing powers of Wolverine but since you did....Wolverine has needed the services of doctors and medical bays a number of times that I can remember.

I said "how offten does he ever need a medic" not "has he ever needed a medic".

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote: Someone else allready made the human body comparison which would be great except that if you're makeing that comparison the Transformers seem to have the healing capability equivilant to that of Wolverine and how offten does he need a medic?

I wouldnt equate it with the healing powers of Wolverine but since you did....Wolverine has needed the services of doctors and medical bays a number of times that I can remember.

I said "how offten does he ever need a medic" not "has he ever needed a medic".

I understood that but my point was that he has needed a medic more often they you might think.

Not to say that he went and got their services....I would say, not bearing the recent retcons and upgrades to his healing powers, Wolverine has been capable of dealing with 90% of his injuries.

Granted thats not much but like I said I dont equate TF self repair time to be anywhere near the speed of Wolverines.

Saber Prime wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Plus what ever Empire says about Megatron is always a lye they said Megatron would be a secret concept Stealth bomber designed by the US Airforce in the first movie and look how that turned out.

Wasn't that actully Shia who said that in an interview. He was talking about the Rapter (Starscream) but he called it Megatron. Or are we talking about two completly different things now?

Nope the Empire Magazine that sported this cover:

Stated that Megatron would Transform into a top secret concept stealth jet/bomber currently in development by the US Airforce which was the reason they weren't allowed to show images of it.

Saber Prime wrote:Saber Prime: From the leaked script it looks like the Transformers have internal repair systems so why do they even need Ratchet?

Roberto Orchi: Nope there are no self healing robots in the movie.

Frenzy and Bumblebee were both damaged in battle durring the movie and both of them managed to get repaired without any assistance from a medic.

So they were fully repaired...when they came into contact with the AllSpark. Orci was right, at no point does it show a single TF repair itself.

So what are some of these other lies that you mentioned?

Saber Prime wrote:Frenzy and Bumblebee were both damaged in battle durring the movie and both of them managed to get repaired without any assistance from a medic.

Saber Prime wrote:Someone else already made the human body comparison which would be great except that if you're making that comparison the Transformers seem to have the healing capability equivilant to that of Wolverine and how offten does he need a medic?

Okay... Frenzy got new body thanks to AllSpark Energy (which we don't seem to fully undertand how that works). Frenzy was not self-healing, he needed the AllSpark.

Bumblebee losing legs... we don't seem them back until TF:RotF. So, I can guess that Ratchet worked on him but none of us really know (unless one of the prequel comics mentions it -- which I haven't read).


Here's where I can see the potential for evidence of self-healing robots:

1.) Barricade... comes back (we see him in vehicle mode when Frenzy contacts Starscream and the other decepticons that the AllSpark is located) after he got his butt whooped by Bumblebee. I personally see this more like a UFC fighter getting knocked out and cut a few places. Yes, they send them to the hospital as a precaution, but the human bodies self heal most cuts and recover by themself from a knockout after a period of time (yes... advil helps!). My opinion is that this is what happened with Barricade. Only my opinion... others may see it differently.

2.) Bumblebee's Voice is suddenly back at the end of the movie. However, we do know that Ratchet was using his laser thingee and Bumblebee was holding the AllSpark. We don't know for sure why his voice comes back, but you'd think those two things would help -- therefore making it again appear that it wasn't purely just Bumblebee self-healing.


My point is that I don't see where one can clearly say (without a shadow of a doubt) that TF1 had self-healing robots -- aside from the way similar to how humans can self-heal.

oldskooltf wrote:Bumblebee losing legs... we don't seem them back until TF:RotF.

He walks up to the other Autobots just before he speaks at the end of the movie so yes he got his legs back without any aid from Ratchet or any other outside source.

Saber Prime wrote:

oldskooltf wrote:Bumblebee losing legs... we don't seem them back until TF:RotF.

He walks up to the other Autobots just before he speaks at the end of the movie so yes he got his legs back without any aid from Ratchet or any other outside source.

No. He doesn't. Watch it again. If I remember right, he's still on the tow truck. (The only clip I could find doesn't show him arriving on the scene)

Shadowman wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:

oldskooltf wrote:Bumblebee losing legs... we don't seem them back until TF:RotF.

He walks up to the other Autobots just before he speaks at the end of the movie so yes he got his legs back without any aid from Ratchet or any other outside source.

No. He doesn't. Watch it again. If I remember right, he's still on the tow truck. (The only clip I could find doesn't show him arriving on the scene)

I was going to say "Saber" was right but before I posted I decided to watch the scene again to be sure.

"Sahadowman" is right....Bumblebee was still hooked up to the tow truck and did not have his legs nor did he walk in that scene when he said "I want to stay with the boy".

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:

oldskooltf wrote:Bumblebee losing legs... we don't seem them back until TF:RotF.

He walks up to the other Autobots just before he speaks at the end of the movie so yes he got his legs back without any aid from Ratchet or any other outside source.

No. He doesn't. Watch it again. If I remember right, he's still on the tow truck. (The only clip I could find doesn't show him arriving on the scene)

I was going to say "Saber" was right but before I posted I decided to watch the scene again to be sure.

"Sahadowman" is right....Bumblebee was still hooked up to the tow truck and did not have his legs nor did he walk in that scene when he said "I want to stay with the boy".

I have to agree. Watched it and Shadowman's right, he's still on the truck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwEc7dkm36Y

Not the best quality but where do you see the tow truck in there? There's a clear shot of his back and I see no hook in it. Front view I see nothing behind him.