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NOS wrote:That combination is perfectly plausible for generic human sized, generic geared, generic colored figures. Not so much for rainbow-neon colored mutants. Regardless, this further illustrates my point. The fact that they are capable of being mashed up like these proves these are all, basically, the same figure with very slight differences.

No one said they could not be mixed and match, EXACTLY like almost every other action figure toy line EVER. That doesn't make them Hero Mashers.

I too get a Hero Mashers vibe from the PWTT concept. And the interchangeable robot armor kibble gives me a Mr. Potato head vibe.

And the downward spiral for PWTT begins...

Rated X wrote:And the downward spiral for PWTT begins...

You're just filled with joy aren't you?

You don't have very much experience with action figures do you?

Coming completely out of left field, another Decepticon Pretender is getting a nod in the upcoming Play With This Too Kickstarter campaign. Starter Friday morning (or maybe Thursday night!)

King Adder leader of the Serpents of the Coiled Table. Kickstarter begins Friday at 9am!... Or possibly Thursday night... Keep checking.

Looking at the design, it shows off how new figures can be made using a mix of recolored old and new parts. The head is from the Head Shot designs of Hasbro artist Emiliano Santalucia, most of the body and armor is reused Desolataur and Bloodbath parts, and the tail is a completely new piece new.

For reference, I also included a picture of the Iguanus Pretender shell.

COMPLETELY OUT OF LEFT FIELD! IT'S DARK PURPLE DESOLATAUR/SKULLGRIN WITH A FROG HEAD!!

Then tune in next week for MK Reptile and TMNT Leonardo repaints!!!

Do you?

Nope. Just slightly more than some.

Only a few days to go, I'm still hoping for a Submarauder/Gilmer from these guys.

After a lifetime of collecting action figures I believe I have the required experience for parts swapping if I so fancy.

Primacron's Little Helper wrote:Only a few days to go, I'm still hoping for a Submarauder/Gilmer from these guys.

After a lifetime of collecting action figures I believe I have the required experience for parts swapping if I so fancy.

Although I can't say for certain what these guys have in store, I have heard no hint of Submarauder for the KS. While Submarauder may not be part of the Kickstarter simply because he's too unique, it seems that PWTToo do plan to make additional figures and molds after the Kickstarter if it is successful. So even if you don't see Submarauder in the KS, don't dispare. I'm sure they'll get around to it if the figures they do make are a hit, eventually.

Also, with the modular nature of the figures, it could be some by combining a blue body parts, a future head shot, and some accessories, a Submarauder looking figure could be made.

Haters gotta hate, I guess.

So you don't like He-Man? Don't buy those homages. You don't like PWTT's take on Pretenders? Don't buy those either.

But c'mon... the mix and match functionality doesn't mean that's the main purpose or value of the line.

Scaleface wrote:

Primacron's Little Helper wrote:Only a few days to go, I'm still hoping for a Submarauder/Gilmer from these guys.

After a lifetime of collecting action figures I believe I have the required experience for parts swapping if I so fancy.

Although I can't say for certain what these guys have in store, I have heard no hint of Submarauder for the KS. While Submarauder may not be part of the Kickstarter simply because he's too unique, it seems that PWTToo do plan to make additional figures and molds after the Kickstarter if it is successful. So even if you don't see Submarauder in the KS, don't dispare. I'm sure they'll get around to it if the figures they do make are a hit, eventually.

Also, with the modular nature of the figures, it could be some by combining a blue body parts, a future head shot, and some accessories, a Submarauder looking figure could be made.

True, I reckon Finback could probably share a head sculpt with him.

I don't think kit bashing is the problem here all the the great customizers mix and mash different action figures body parts together to form their final piece

To me it's keep seeing the same art work with the same basic body with a different head on the skullgrin figure.

I mean change up the legs hands and especially change the arms i gotta say i'm tired of seeing the spiked armour on every character that's why they all look the same .

Like i said kit bashing and a some retooling is key to making a action figure line thats exactly how the MOTU classics line works and lasted so long which is no problem since these are different character without the gimmick of changing limbs

Now this is what bugs most it seems is that once these figures are finished all the different limbs are different colours that do not make for a convincing final figure just like hero mashers it's just an odd ball of colour and no believing that the "custom" figure is a legit character , unless you repaint it your self .

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megatronus wrote:Haters gotta hate, I guess.

So you don't like He-Man? Don't buy those homages. You don't like PWTT's take on Pretenders? Don't buy those either.

But c'mon... the mix and match functionality doesn't mean that's the main purpose or value of the line.

Then allow me to end all future harsh and critical posts I may have for PWTT in this final summary.

PWTT are using their reputation as former Hasbro employees to garner interest in a product they aren't willing to personally fund themselves to join the 3rd party game because they want a piece of the pie.

In fact, they aren't taking any risks at all. Not even bothering to venture out and make a unique or innovative figure and instead are using a standard, rehashed recipe of ball jointed, repainted, slightly modified plastic chunks with vulgar names like SKULL-FCKR to push out 100 near identical figure concepts in under 2 months.

They aren't even trying to cater to one particular group of fans showing they have no dedication or passion toward anything but making a buck off people who are already funding the product they are coming up with.

Lastly, these are not transformers. Nothing about it transforms. The drones? Non-articulated, parts-forming chunks. I've seen better transformers pop out of Pizza Hut quarter-capsule machines.

PWTT are a lazy, unoriginal, sad little group of tropes who are too cowardly to stand on their own two feet and try to give collectors what they might actually want. Instead choosing to half-ass an entire venture based on the premise that someone, somewhere, will look at these concept images and fund a product they don't even fully support themselves beyond a flittered daydream.

There. I have it out of my system now. I shall refrain from further posts and gripes in any PWTT threads.

Autobot Genocide wrote:Now this is what bugs most it seems is that once these figures are finished all the different limbs are different colours that do not make for a convincing final figure just like hero mashers it's just an odd ball of colour and no believing that the "custom" figure is a legit character , unless you repaint it your self .

The more of a library of parts they make, the more they will have to work with. I think they said Desolataur is the base figure for the Kickstarter, which means the more levels of rewards get unlocked, the more additional parts will get to be made, and the more range of parts will exist in the Kickstarter wave.

If you look closely you can see the progression. Desolataur is simply recolored into Catastropheles, with a couple parts changed becomes Bloodbath, change more parts to get the Serpents of the Coiled table, more parts changed to get Mighty Muscules, more changed to get the Strikers, which now have nothing left of Desolataur on them, then start moving to the next guy...

NOS wrote:Then allow me to end all future harsh and critical posts I may have for PWTT in this final summary.

PWTT are using their reputation as former Hasbro employees to garner interest in a product they aren't willing to personally fund themselves to join the 3rd party game because they want a piece of the pie.

Actually They have paid for all the development up to this point out of their pockets. They are just looking for money for the production run, like a dozen+ other action figure lines on Kickstarter. Have you condemned every Kickstarter-begun line, or just PWTToo?

NOS wrote:In fact, they aren't taking any risks at all. Not even bothering to venture out and make a unique or innovative figure and instead are using a standard, rehashed recipe of ball jointed, repainted, slightly modified plastic chunks with vulgar names like SKULL-FCKR to push out 100 near identical figure concepts in under 2 months.

More like 30 figures, many with different molds, but similar engineering, about a year's worth of GI Joe or MOTU from a big company. What is the point of making new engineering with each action figure? Would GI Joes be better if all the connectors on their arms and legs were different sizes each time? If each had different articulation? No.

NOS wrote:They aren't even trying to cater to one particular group of fans showing they have no dedication or passion toward anything but making a buck off people who are already funding the product they are coming up with.

Or you could say they are offering variety to a whole range of 80's and 90s toys.

NOS wrote:Lastly, these are not transformers. Nothing about it transforms. The drones? Non-articulated, parts-forming chunks.

While limited, 4 points of articulation is not zero, and they do transform, you can't need to take apart D-Mon or D-Throne to transform them between vehicle and robot modes, just twist the limbs, and they can become backpacks like that too. They are only disassembled to become multiple accessories.

NOS wrote:There. I have it out of my system now. I shall refrain from further posts and gripes in any PWTT threads.

Thanks. Since all your points were proven incredibly wrong, I think we are done here.

Scaleface wrote:You don't have very much experience with action figures do you?

For the record, I dont really consider transformable robot toys "action figures" like many on this site do. I believe being "transformable" puts them in a designation of their own. But as a kid, I never collected traditional "action figures" like GI-Joe, He Man, Superheroes, Wrestlers etc. I considered Transformers and Gobots to be the anti-action figure alternitive. Just never cared for little muscular men in tights and cloths covering their junk. I did watch the cartoon, but never had an urge to own such toys. Transformers and Gobots were the only toys I ever collected as a kid.

Rated X wrote:

Scaleface wrote:You don't have very much experience with action figures do you?

For the record, I dont really consider transformable robot toys "action figures" like many on this site do. I believe being "transformable" puts them in a designation of their own. But as a kid, I never collected traditional "action figures" like GI-Joe, He Man, Superheroes, Wrestlers etc. I considered Transformers and Gobots to be the anti-action figure alternitive. Just never cared for little muscular men in tights and cloths covering their junk. I did watch the cartoon, but never had an urge to own such toys. Transformers and Gobots were the only toys I ever collected as a kid.

That's fair, and I actually agree with you. These really are a nice action figure line with some transforming accessories that homage various lines. PWTToo is not trying to be Hasbro, or even FansProject. They are making action figures.

Maybe they can do the Road Warriors or the Undertaker from this mold. They might as well. Why stop now, milk that cow till the last drop. Also if the armor comes off they can do John Cena and Brock Lesnar.

Scaleface wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Scaleface wrote:You don't have very much experience with action figures do you?

For the record, I dont really consider transformable robot toys "action figures" like many on this site do. I believe being "transformable" puts them in a designation of their own. But as a kid, I never collected traditional "action figures" like GI-Joe, He Man, Superheroes, Wrestlers etc. I considered Transformers and Gobots to be the anti-action figure alternitive. Just never cared for little muscular men in tights and cloths covering their junk. I did watch the cartoon, but never had an urge to own such toys. Transformers and Gobots were the only toys I ever collected as a kid.

That's fair, and I actually agree with you. These really are a nice action figure line with some transforming accessories that homage various lines. PWTToo is not trying to be Hasbro, or even FansProject. They are making action figures.

The thing is PWTT is recruiting former Hasbro talent. This kind of puts them between a rock and a hard place with the fans. They arent going to just forget what made these people famous in the first place. It wasnt muscle guys, it was Transformers. So when PWTT first came out, everyone was under the impression that they were out to stick it to Hasbro. (which was awesome in my opinion) But now that we know PWTT has no interest competing with or topping Hasbro, the support among the Transformers fandom has dropped. What people wanted PWTT to be and what they turned out to be are two totally different things. Some Transformers fans happen to like traditional action figure lines and they will buy into this. But the hardcore "Transformers only" fans will just consider these former Hasbro employees a bunch of sell outs. It is what it is.

I dig it! Not as much as the others, but it's still cool nonetheless.

Rated X wrote:The thing is PWTT is recruiting former Hasbro talent. This kind of puts them between a rock and a hard place with the fans. They arent going to just forget what made these people famous in the first place.

So because they did something once they're never allowed to do anything else ever again?

It wasnt muscle guys, it was Transformers. So when PWTT first came out, everyone was under the impression that they were out to stick it to Hasbro. (which was awesome in my opinion) But now that we know PWTT has no interest competing with or topping Hasbro, the support among the Transformers fandom has dropped. What people wanted PWTT to be and what they turned out to be are two totally different things.

Not everything has to be about "HURR STICK IT TO HASBLOW DURR" you know. Third Parties and HasTak can peacefully coexist.

Some Transformers fans happen to like traditional action figure lines and they will buy into this. But the hardcore "Transformers only" fans will just consider these former Hasbro employees a bunch of sell outs. It is what it is.

What kind of person collects Transformers and nothing else? In my experience, people who focus exclusively upon one thing and nothing else tend to be pretty nutty. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of Transformers fans collect other things as well, be they Marvel Legends, Figmas, Revoltechs, model kits, Lego etc. In any case, hardcore "Transformers only" types wouldn't collect Third Party figures anyway, seeing as they are, technically, not real Transformers.

Y'all need to chill out.

Rated X wrote:Maybe they can do the Road Warriors or the Undertaker from this mold. They might as well. Why stop now, milk that cow till the last drop. Also if the armor comes off they can do John Cena and Brock Lesnar.

If you don't even know if the armor comes off, you have not been following these toys, which really diminishes the legitimacy of your criticism. You seem to know nothing about the figures you attack so regularly.

Delta Magnus wrote:

Rated X wrote:The thing is PWTT is recruiting former Hasbro talent. This kind of puts them between a rock and a hard place with the fans. They arent going to just forget what made these people famous in the first place.

So because they did something once they're never allowed to do anything else ever again?

It wasnt muscle guys, it was Transformers. So when PWTT first came out, everyone was under the impression that they were out to stick it to Hasbro. (which was awesome in my opinion) But now that we know PWTT has no interest competing with or topping Hasbro, the support among the Transformers fandom has dropped. What people wanted PWTT to be and what they turned out to be are two totally different things.

Not everything has to be about "HURR STICK IT TO HASBLOW DURR" you know. Third Parties and HasTak can peacefully coexist.

Some Transformers fans happen to like traditional action figure lines and they will buy into this. But the hardcore "Transformers only" fans will just consider these former Hasbro employees a bunch of sell outs. It is what it is.

What kind of person collects Transformers and nothing else? In my experience, people who focus exclusively upon one thing and nothing else tend to be pretty nutty. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of Transformers fans collect other things as well, be they Marvel Legends, Figmas, Revoltechs, model kits, Lego etc. In any case, hardcore "Transformers only" types wouldn't collect Third Party figures anyway, seeing as they are, technically, not real Transformers.

Y'all need to chill out.

Once you find your claim to fame, everything you do after will just fall into it's shadow. That includes TF designers. Nobody remembers Micheal Jordan for being the coach of the Washington Wizzards. And nobody will remember the PWTT team for anything but Transformers. It is what it is.

Third parties and Hasbro cant never really peacefully coexist in my opinion because of the IP debate. And PWTT isnt even a true "third party" because they are doing original stuff.

I also collect beer memobrila, antique bottles, and vintage Nintendo games. But I have no interest in collecting little muscle men. The sterotype that ALL TF fans like superheroes and comic book characters is a myth.