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News Credits: 1014 · by **First Gen** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:23 pm

Seen this on ebay. Look closely, thats not the official trailer.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Optimus-Prime-20th- ... dZViewItem

I like how they still charge near authentic prices still.

News Credits: 4 · by **capellamusic** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:48 pm

This is not a KO... it's a JustItToys trailer version, which doesn't transform and it's intended for people owning MP Optimus Primes which don't come with a trailer. JustItToys also do some other figures like smallest dinobots. They never try to make it pass as Takara or Hasbro's stuff and clearly identify them as JustItToys figures.

To sum, it's not a KO, but it's not a Takara Tomy or Hasbro version as well. And I believe it's high quality too.

The Takara Tomy trailer isn't sold separatly from Prime, as far as I know.

News Credits: 10 · by **Lapse Of Reason** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:51 pm

That trailer has been around for a few years. It is not bad for display, but it does not open. The price has always been about $50

The only way to get the Takara trailer is to buy the MP-04 set.

There is a different KO trailer that is better than the official release and will cost you a little over $100.

News Credits: 1014 · by **First Gen** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:09 pm

I know about the JustitToys version. What I'm saying is is this a KO?

I haven't seen the packaging for the JIT version but does it say Prime or Convoy on it? Seeing as this is from China, you can never be to sure.

News Credits: 3 · by **muswp1** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:42 pm

I would say it's not a KO only because it came out before MP-04 Prime did. I think it came out about a year or so before Takara/Tomy released the official one.

It does show Prime on the back of the box.

by **neliz** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:51 pm

First Gen wrote:Seeing as this is from China, you can never be to sure.

Gad.. dangit.. your Transformers toys are made in "China" for over 25 years now!

by **woosh** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:03 pm

neliz wrote:
First Gen wrote:Seeing as this is from China, you can never be to sure.

Gad.. dangit.. your Transformers toys are made in "China" for over 25 years now!

Tell me a barand that doesn't make their toys in china/vietman/shanghai/other asian country ?

News Credits: 6 · by **City Commander** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:12 pm

Not a KO as far as I know. The Justit Toys trailer had 20th Anni OP (or something very similar) printed on the front.

News Credits: 1014 · by **First Gen** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:20 pm

neliz wrote:
First Gen wrote:Seeing as this is from China, you can never be to sure.

Gad.. dangit.. your Transformers toys are made in "China" for over 25 years now!

Ur not too familiar with KO's I see. Im very familiar with them. Chinese KO's are pretty bad quality plastic and break real easy.

by **neliz** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:12 pm

First Gen wrote:Ur not too familiar with KO's I see. Im very familiar with them. Chinese KO's are pretty bad quality plastic and break real easy.

And some are not to brittle and some add novelty value to toys for which Takara would happily ask you to sell your mother.

It wasn't a problem for me twenty-some years ago and it still isn't now.

News Credits: 1014 · by **First Gen** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:50 pm

neliz wrote:
First Gen wrote:Ur not too familiar with KO's I see. Im very familiar with them. Chinese KO's are pretty bad quality plastic and break real easy.

And some are not to brittle and some add novelty value to toys for which Takara would happily ask you to sell your mother.

It wasn't a problem for me twenty-some years ago and it still isn't now.

Never heard of a KO adding value to anything. Decreasing value yes, adding, no.

by **neliz** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:11 pm

First Gen wrote:Never heard of a KO adding value to anything. Decreasing value yes, adding, no.

I actually like what they're doing with a clear G1-Prime and $7 binaltechs.

And besides, it punishes Takara for ..ehr. ahem "losing" molds or obviously making sure they're NOT checking them when they dispose of them. It says something about the quality of the company itself.
And that just shows that a group of "suits" that think it's smart to outsource get outsmarted by those they pay fifty cents an hour.

So, next time you see a knock-off, think of the the factory worker that made sure his family on the a shabby farm out on a barren plateau in china is finally able to afford a color tv!

(your collection value stays the same, you've made life a lot better for a lot of people)

News Credits: 1014 · by **First Gen** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:25 pm

neliz wrote:
First Gen wrote:Never heard of a KO adding value to anything. Decreasing value yes, adding, no.

I actually like what they're doing with a clear G1-Prime and $7 binaltechs.

And besides, it punishes Takara for ..ehr. ahem "losing" molds or obviously making sure they're NOT checking them when they dispose of them. It says something about the quality of the company itself.
And that just shows that a group of "suits" that think it's smart to outsource get outsmarted by those they pay fifty cents an hour.

So, next time you see a knock-off, think of the the factory worker that made sure his family on the a shabby farm out on a barren plateau in china is finally able to afford a color tv!

(your collection value stays the same, you've made life a lot better for a lot of people)

WHOA WHOA WHOA! Hold up my friend. Did you say 7 dollar BT KO's?

News Credits: 5 · by **--B--** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:29 pm

Yeah, it will just cost you 30 bucks and a month to get it to the states!

by **neliz** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:36 pm

--B-- wrote:Yeah, it will just cost you 30 bucks and a month to get it to the states!

Ehr... not really.

There were a couple of guys selling these from belgium for €5 buy it now. One was the wheeljack mold and the other probably jazz.
although they got kicked off of 'bay (they didn't mark them as KO - so fraud), for me as a european it would mean about €10 shipping fee and stuff at your doorstep within three days.

News Credits: 1014 · by **First Gen** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:47 pm

neliz wrote:
--B-- wrote:Yeah, it will just cost you 30 bucks and a month to get it to the states!

Ehr... not really.

There were a couple of guys selling these from belgium for €5 buy it now. One was the wheeljack mold and the other probably jazz.
although they got kicked off of 'bay (they didn't mark them as KO - so fraud), for me as a european it would mean about €10 shipping fee and stuff at your doorstep within three days.

Thats good to know. You guys over in Europe really get shafted on US TFs and stuff to boot.

by **neliz** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:06 pm

First Gen wrote:Thats good to know. You guys over in Europe really get shafted on US TFs and stuff to boot.

Thanks man.

The quality on these is not great of course but the mustang mold seems to have some of the same issues as my US boxed Wheeljack, where the left door just won't fit in a closed position.

But at least I can let everyone "play" with it and keep the rest nice and boxed in my IKEA towers..

News Credits: 1014 · by **First Gen** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:14 pm

neliz wrote:
First Gen wrote:Thats good to know. You guys over in Europe really get shafted on US TFs and stuff to boot.

Thanks man.

The quality on these is not great of course but the mustang mold seems to have some of the same issues as my US boxed Wheeljack, where the left door just won't fit in a closed position.

But at least I can let everyone "play" with it and keep the rest nice and boxed in my IKEA towers..

I have the same problem with my WJ. He's a KO I got from Hong Kong. Broke his windshield clear in two first time transforming him. Now he sits waiting as a future kitbash project.

Only problem I have with UK is the daggone dollar and worth crap there lol.

News Credits: 8 · by **Liege Evilmus** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:18 pm

That trailer is nothing new. I concider it an acessory like the stock and barrel for MP Megs.

Is it official, no, but is it KO, also no since it is a stand alone item (much like the Quint series) that came out before the official version itself.

It's kind of a grey area, but that's oppinion.

by **neliz** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:25 pm

First Gen wrote:Only problem I have with UK is the daggone dollar and worth crap there lol.

I get 30% discount on all my US $ transactions

News Credits: 1014 · by **First Gen** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:28 pm

neliz wrote:
First Gen wrote:Only problem I have with UK is the daggone dollar and worth crap there lol.

I get 30% discount on all my US $ transactions

I'd buy US all the time then lol.

So the general consensus is that this trailer is the real JustItToys version and NOT a cheap ko.

by **neliz** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:33 pm

First Gen wrote:So the general consensus is that this trailer is the real JustItToys version and NOT a cheap ko.

Agree!

The Justitoys trailer satisfied the need of a group of toy owners that could not be fulfilled by Hasbro itself.

It would be a knock-off had it been released after MP-4.

I'd buy US all the time then lol.

Kiss players Rodimus becomes affordable again!

News Credits: 409 · by **Stormrider** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:41 am

Yup, that's Justitoys version not a knock off.

by **Bonger** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:18 am

Stormrider wrote:Yup, that's Justitoys version not a knock off.

Huh? What makes Justittoys not a KO? I consider everything they make to be a high quality KO. It is not an official product. The best twist you could give it is a mass produced custom.

by **neliz** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:17 am

Bonger wrote:Huh? What makes Justittoys not a KO? I consider everything they make to be a high quality KO. It is not an official product. The best twist you could give it is a mass produced custom.

For it to be a KO, there needs to be an "original" for it.

The 20th Anniv Masterpiece trailer came before MP-4 if I assume correctly so one could claim that the MP-4 trailer is actually the KO.

(correct me if I'm wrong)