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by **Zombie Starscream** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:51 pm

In the movie, when Unicron changed Skywarp and Thundercracker into Cyclonus and Scourge, were they still alive when it happened or were they dead?

Plus, why do Tfs change their names when they get "reformatted?"

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:02 pm

I think they were dead, in the ship they were still alive, barely alive but seemed to have perished wile floating to Unicron.

The seconed one is, Hasbro selling more toys.

by **zombiebunny** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:29 pm

I like to believe that they were barley alive and then Unicron killed them to change them into Scrouge and Cyclonus to make them stronger and crap

News Credits: 2 · by **Tekka** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:42 pm

It's an entirely subjective matter. They could have been alive or dead, they weren't really focused on enough. What's the point in thrashing about when you're drifting helplessly through space?

On the other hand, if they didn't find some way to stop moving forward, Unicron would have blown them back in the other direction ala Megatron, or they would have continued forward and crashed into him.

News Credits: 2 · by **Moonbase2** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:47 pm

I like to think that Skywarp and Thundercracker weren't really changed into those characters, because I hate them...but alas...they were probably barely alive, then rejuvanated into those ghastly new creations.

by **Zombie Starscream** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 3:46 pm

Moonbase2 wrote:I like to think that Skywarp and Thundercracker weren't really changed into those characters, because I hate them...but alas...they were probably barely alive, then rejuvanated into those ghastly new creations.

Or if you go by the animation errors in the movie, it could have just been lookalikes taken in. Or they were ghosts at Screamer's coronation ceremony.

News Credits: 5 · by **Sledge** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:26 pm

That's the great thing about animation errors: it opens up so many interesting story possibilites. Was Soundwave really an undercover Autobot? Did Huffer survive the movie and switch sides? Did Skywarp and Thundercracker actually die, or was it some of the extra seekers who littered More Than Meets The Eye?

News Credits: 972 · by **i_amtrunks** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 6:26 pm

So many possibilities that will never be answered.

I think Thundercracker and Skywarp were alive when they were forcibly reformatted, but I say that only because I believe that Unicron can only warp pre-existing life, not give it from himself like Primus.

No proof of my theory though, so it stays that, a theory.

by **ARCTrooperAlpha** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:00 pm

Hi guys, very very curious (if not extremely) about the IDW version as it has added scenes (supposedly omega supreme defends the ark) and added characters, bingo aerialbots and the other combiner teams.

Can you tell me what the teams each do in there? as well as omega supreme?

Did they add in the deleted scenes from the original movie?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:06 pm

ARCTrooperAlpha wrote:Hi guys, very very curious (if not extremely) about the IDW version as it has added scenes (supposedly omega supreme defends the ark) and added characters, bingo aerialbots and the other combiner teams.

Can you tell me what the teams each do in there? as well as omega supreme?

Did they add in the deleted scenes from the original movie?

What book are you talking about??????

News Credits: 972 · by **i_amtrunks** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:16 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
ARCTrooperAlpha wrote:Hi guys, very very curious (if not extremely) about the IDW version as it has added scenes (supposedly omega supreme defends the ark) and added characters, bingo aerialbots and the other combiner teams.

Can you tell me what the teams each do in there? as well as omega supreme?

Did they add in the deleted scenes from the original movie?

What book are you talking about??????

I believe he is wanting to know what was added into the IDW 1986 Movie Adaptation that was not in the Animated Movie.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:18 pm

i_amtrunks wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
ARCTrooperAlpha wrote:Hi guys, very very curious (if not extremely) about the IDW version as it has added scenes (supposedly omega supreme defends the ark) and added characters, bingo aerialbots and the other combiner teams.

Can you tell me what the teams each do in there? as well as omega supreme?

Did they add in the deleted scenes from the original movie?

What book are you talking about??????

I believe he is wanting to know what was added into the IDW 1986 Movie Adaptation that was not in the Animated Movie.

OOOOOOO ok I missid one issue or that serries.....but I dont remember any Omega scene's or Aerial bots.The only big difference I remember was Snarl being there for the fight.

News Credits: 1 · by **Leonardo** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:59 am

I seem to remember someone complaining that that adaptation ultimately had less in it than the movie, not more. I haven't read it myself, though.

by **Healthiest_Stomach** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:14 pm

I would say they were alive. They hadn't been out there in space too long.

News Credits: 1 · by **Leonardo** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:34 am

Healthiest_Stomach wrote:I would say they were alive. They hadn't been out there in space too long.

That was my view. While it doesn't really specify for how long they drifted through space, they were alive aboard Astrotrain and so I always assumed (I know what they say about that!) that they hadn't died while floating.

by **Deadpool.** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:54 am

Leonardo wrote:
Healthiest_Stomach wrote:I would say they were alive. They hadn't been out there in space too long.

That was my view. While it doesn't really specify for how long they drifted through space, they were alive aboard Astrotrain and so I always assumed (I know what they say about that!) that they hadn't died while floating.

I would say that they were probably damaged around the same state as Megatron. (which wasn't very dead).

News Credits: 1 · by **Creature SH** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:18 pm

I'd say that they were alive because corpses floating around would've been a little too much even for the movie.

by **Sire Hate** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:57 am

I know this is going to come off as a stupid question, but I haven't read the comics and my only memories are of the original cartoon and the movie, were Scourge and Cyclonis aware of their past? I mean, did they have the same souls? It seemed to me that Galvatron was just Megatron in a new body, but during the Rodimus Prime era cartoons, I don't remember Cyclonis or Scourge ever mentioning their pasts at all.

News Credits: 5 · by **Sledge** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:04 am

I don't think there was anything in the comics or cartoon that suggested they were really aware of their past existance. Thinking about it, they were kinda like what OCP intended with Robocop: all the experience, battle training and reflexes but with none of the old personality.

by **Sire Hate** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:04 am

Sledge wrote:I don't think there was anything in the comics or cartoon that suggested they were really aware of their past existance. Thinking about it, they were kinda like what OCP intended with Robocop: all the experience, battle training and reflexes but with none of the old personality.

Thanks, I always wondered about that.