The Energon Pub

Arctorro wrote: Why anyone would buy a MP Ultra Magnus that will fall apart within hours of pulling it out of the box when Takara is doing a quality version is beyond me.

If anything is going to fall apart into pieces it's going to be the parts formers Takara MP Ultra Magnus. As it's a bunch of snap on parts wrapped around a MP-10 mold.

Arctorro wrote:Tell that to the PE, TW and FP headmasters. They are all smaller than the KFC cassettes and much better quality. have you every bought one of their products?

I bought the PE-01 Shadow Warrior years ago. While I was transforming the toy very slowly & carefully. it broke apart in my hands. The plastic felt like KO quality. The toy was very tight & compact. It was hard to get that part out of the upper back.

Arctorro wrote:Hope you've got plenty of money to burn then.

If it's a inferior toy,Then i'll sell it on ebay. 3rd party TF toys have a high turn over rate on ebay.

Arctorro wrote:The Takara version will be G1 accurate and superb quality while this version will not.

Your half right. The Takara MP Ultra Magnus is trying to be 1986 Ultra Magnus toy correct. Not cartoon accurate

This KFC Ultra Magnus is aiming for 1986 Ultra Magnus cartoon transformation accuracy.

Arctorro wrote: While we didn't know exactly when it was going to happen, we knew MP Ultra Magnus was on his way. The designer hinted that MP-10 has elements required to make UM work, you only make that extra effort for one reason. If the KFC people have any brains at all they will scrap this one

Why would KFC need to do this? The Takara & KFC versions are Two entirely different designs. One is a parts formers 1986 toy update. While othe other is one piece sold update for the 1986 Cartoon art.

You do realize,That HasTak & 3rd parties love to make numerous versions based off the same character in toy form. So why should the Takara MP & KFC Ultra Magnus toys be any different.

If it's okay for Deca to make there Jetfire in the same release year that HasTak is releasing there 30th Jetfire toy. Then it should be acceptable for KFC to do the same with there Ultra Magnus.

I'd rather buy the KFC version & not buy the Takara version. As it's a one piece sculpt that can transform back & forth without any snap on parts involved.

Parts Formers is never a good thing. It's outdated TF toy tech that doesn't need a resurrect. Adding dozens of parts on a already leader scale toy is pointless. As it's already a big toy to begin with. covering up a MP-10 sculpt with parts is not transforming,it's doing dress up with this toy. Putting numerous parts on this toy might take away some articulation from the MP-10 sculpt. Adding parts on the toy will make it more of a fragile fall apart play piece. Covering up parts on a Detailed MP-10 sculpt seems like a sad thing to do to the toy.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Arctorro wrote: Why anyone would buy a MP Ultra Magnus that will fall apart within hours of pulling it out of the box when Takara is doing a quality version is beyond me.

If anything is going to fall apart into pieces it's going to be the parts formers Takara MP Ultra Magnus. As it's a bunch of snap on parts wrapped around a MP-10 mold.

At this point, we haven't even yet seen any images of the Takara MP Magnus, never mind anyone having gotten one in hand. So there's no way of knowing how pieces will connect, or how insecure, or secure, they will be.

Also, if "snap on parts wrapped around" an Optimus mold automatically means that something "is going to fall apart into pieces," then my very sturdy City Commander would like to have a word with you.

Not to say you aren't allowed to like this toy, or even to like KFC. But others have very understandable concerns about KFC quality, and your main argument seems to be to bash a competing product that we don't have a lot of actual facts about yet, meaning your argument is entirely based on supposition.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Parts Formers is never a good thing. It's outdated TF toy tech that doesn't need a resurrect. Adding dozens of parts on a already leader scale toy is pointless. As it's already a big toy to begin with. covering up a MP-10 sculpt with parts is not transforming,it's doing dress up with this toy. Putting numerous parts on this toy might take away some articulation from the MP-10 sculpt. Adding parts on the toy will make it more of a fragile fall apart play piece. Covering up parts on a Detailed MP-10 sculpt seems like a sad thing to do to the toy.

MP-10 is not leader scale... he's MP scale. Same size, yes, but different connotations. And since MPs tend to be - wait for it - MP scale, Ultra Magnus SHOULD be bigger.

Also, you have noticed that gestalts are basically huge parts-formers, right?

megatronus wrote:

Arctorro wrote:Not sure why I asked you a question seeing as I wont see the reply unless someone quotes you!

Frenemies!

Yotsuyasan wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Arctorro wrote: Why anyone would buy a MP Ultra Magnus that will fall apart within hours of pulling it out of the box when Takara is doing a quality version is beyond me.

If anything is going to fall apart into pieces it's going to be the parts formers Takara MP Ultra Magnus. As it's a bunch of snap on parts wrapped around a MP-10 mold.

At this point, we haven't even yet seen any images of the Takara MP Magnus, never mind anyone having gotten one in hand. So there's no way of knowing how pieces will connect, or how insecure, or secure, they will be.

Also, if "snap on parts wrapped around" an Optimus mold automatically means that something "is going to fall apart into pieces," then my very sturdy City Commander would like to have a word with you.

Not to say you aren't allowed to like this toy, or even to like KFC. But others have very understandable concerns about KFC quality, and your main argument seems to be to bash a competing product that we don't have a lot of actual facts about yet, meaning your argument is entirely based on supposition.

There is one other consideration, apart from some paint issues on MP-12, the quality from MP-10 onwards has been spot on. Takara has been producing true masterpieces. They have a great track record, and from that we can assume, the quality on UM will most likely be very good. As for parts forming, the trailer could be one big piece of armour that transforms around MP-10 keeping the parts-forming to a minimum.

To state that MP-22 will fall apart is once again proof of extreme ignorance

megatronus wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Parts Formers is never a good thing. It's outdated TF toy tech that doesn't need a resurrect. Adding dozens of parts on a already leader scale toy is pointless. As it's already a big toy to begin with. covering up a MP-10 sculpt with parts is not transforming,it's doing dress up with this toy. Putting numerous parts on this toy might take away some articulation from the MP-10 sculpt. Adding parts on the toy will make it more of a fragile fall apart play piece. Covering up parts on a Detailed MP-10 sculpt seems like a sad thing to do to the toy.

MP-10 is not leader scale... he's MP scale. Same size, yes, but different connotations. And since MPs tend to be - wait for it - MP scale, Ultra Magnus SHOULD be bigger.

Also, you have noticed that gestalts are basically huge parts-formers, right?

I guess reality really is in the eye of the beholder

I really wish people would stop quoting this guy, why feed the troll?

i have a couple of the kfc cassettes and ill agree that they arent the best quality. i really want to like them, but they just feel cheap. so do i trust kfc to make a giant masterpiece figure? no. not even a little bit. and to "assume" that MP22 will be the inferior product is just silly.

but what i really dont understand though, is 3rd party MP's to begin with. with what takara has been pumping out the past couple years, why would you even bother to compete? unless you plan to make characters that are extremely obscure and takara wouldnt touch for years. but theyre not. just off the top of my head theres pipes, huffer, and dinobots! i wouldnt put it past takara to MP those guys.

i have a lot of 3rd party stuff. but with masterpieces... thats something i want the official has/tak stamp on.

Arctorro wrote:I guess reality really is in the eye of the beholder

I really wish people would stop quoting this guy, why feed the troll?

Honestly, I'm just a glutton for punishment.

megatronus wrote:

Arctorro wrote:I guess reality really is in the eye of the beholder

I really wish people would stop quoting this guy, why feed the troll?

Honestly, I'm just a glutton for punishment.

We've all gotta be a glutton for something!

megatronus wrote:

Arctorro wrote:I guess reality really is in the eye of the beholder

I really wish people would stop quoting this guy, why feed the troll?

Honestly, I'm just a glutton for punishment.

One of the best ways to hone our logic and reasoning skills is to argue rationally against the illogical and/or irrational.

Besides, it can be fun sometimes. Anybody up for another round of the great scale debate? How about if I shout that rumblefrenzy is purple!!

Oh, and an MP UM would be cool and all, but he's going to be huge! I think I'll wait and see what Takara does. Unless this is going to be substantially cheaper than the Takara MP, I won't be very interested, except to see what they do with the transformation. While build quality appears to have been marginal, the transformations KFC has come up with have intrigued me.

Can I point out how amusing it is that we're comparing a CGI render and hearsay against a product with no pictures or facts?

Mkall wrote:Can I point out how amusing it is that we're comparing a CGI render and hearsay against a product with no pictures or facts?

No. No, you cannot.

megatronus wrote:

Mkall wrote:Can I point out how amusing it is that we're comparing a CGI render and hearsay against a product with no pictures or facts?

No. No, you cannot.

Then I'll just giggle to myself.

Mkall wrote:Can I point out how amusing it is that we're comparing a CGI render and hearsay against a product with no pictures or facts?

It's because a CGI 3rd party TF render pic. Often translates exactly into a physical toy. This is not HasTak,where a hundreds cooks get in the kitchen & drastically change the initial recipe.

HasTak has a bad track record when it comes to robots toys. that parts form or exo-suit with trailers parts to create a super robot mode.

I know I loved the Titanium G-1 UM toy. This KFC version has taken the Titanium toy to new heights. Same concept,only bigger scale,more articulation. higher sculpt,more weapons,more complex.

Just some advice. Some of you need to lower your expectaions a bit on the MP-22 UM toy. because if you don't your in for a huge disappointment.
A Takara designer showed this pic years ago of MP UM http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-new ... 633901.jpg this is a realistic reveal of what were getting. Maybe with a few extremely minor tweaks,nothing ground breaking tweaking major.

Takara's re-release MP-10 Convoy cost in the ball park of $260-$300+
Takara's MP-22 UM trailer armor is going to be made on the cheap side budget. so the MP-22 cost around $300 & not $400-$500.

I am not buying the Takara MP-22 toy at the $300+ price. I might get the Hasbro USA TRU version if it sells for around $120.

If,KFC & HasTak both release these toys. I will probably consider the KFC version as the #1 superior version. The HasTak MP UM,The 2nd best version. 2001 Rid super scale UM,The 3rd best. TFA Leader scale UM,4th place.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Just some advice. Some of you need to lower your expectaions a bit on the MP-22 UM toy. because if you don't your in for a huge disappointment.
A Takara designer showed this pic years ago of MP UM http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-new ... 633901.jpg this is a realistic reveal of what were getting. Maybe with a few extremely minor tweaks,nothing ground breaking tweaking major.

That is far from what we're going to get. That's literally a G1 Magnus trailer chopped up and applied to an MP-10, done as a proof of concept that the MP-10 mold could be used to make an Ultra Magnus. If you think that all we're going to get for MP-22 is this with some minor tweaks, I'd say you're in for quite a surprise.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:HasTak has a bad track record when it comes to robots toys.

really? hastak has a bad track record?

and i know this statement is going to get me in trouble, but i honestly dont recall them releasing a parts former for some time. people talk about it like its half the new tf's on the shelves. you want to see parts forming? look at 3rd parties.

(and beast hunter armours dont count)

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Just some advice. Some of you need to lower your expectaions a bit on the MP-22 UM toy. because if you don't your in for a huge disappointment.
A Takara designer showed this pic years ago of MP UM http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-new ... 633901.jpg this is a realistic reveal of what were getting. Maybe with a few extremely minor tweaks,nothing ground breaking tweaking major.

That's just Ultra Magnus G1 armour glued onto a MP-10 figure as a "what if" concept. Nothing more.

Edit: It seems you're comparing your imagined KFC's best case scenario against your imagined Takara's worst case.

Hasbro and Takara may not release the best toys in regards to some of their lines. Of all the lines to diss, you want to say the Masterpiece line is bad? That doesn't even make any sense.

KFC is the fast food of third parties. This is also the same situation in which MP Soundwave and FansToy Acousticwave came out. I doubt this will get any traction, and it doesn't help that it also looks like ****.

shajaki wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:HasTak has a bad track record when it comes to robots toys.

really? hastak has a bad track record?

Erasing part of someones reply your quoting. to make it seem like he's talking about something else. Is the equivelant of cheeting or playing dirty. So I added back in my full statement below in this reply.

HasTak has a bad track record when it comes to robots toys. that parts form or exo-suit with trailers parts to create a super robot mode.

I was referring to HasTak's bad track record when it comes to a singular robot combining with the trailer. whether it be the parts formers,exo-suit or other means.

I wasn't saying HasTak has a bad record creating TF toys like Shajaki make it seem like I was.

shajaki wrote: and i know this statement is going to get me in trouble, but i honestly dont recall them releasing a parts former for some time. people talk about it like its half the new tf's on the shelves. you want to see parts forming? look at 3rd parties.

The last HasTak singular robot that combines with a trailer whether it be parts forming,exo-suit or other was that inferior DOTM Ultimate Optimus toy.

ROTF Had a leader scale optimus & Jetfire that combined. While it looked visually good from the front,it looked terrible & wrong from the back. The combination took away all of Optimus Legs articulation. The Combination put some serious stress on the singular OP toy.

AEC had Optimus bigger toys that combined. The A & E versions were terrible. Cybertron leader scale Optimus was mildly okay,due to most of the trailer become a flight pack on the back.

2001 Rid super scale Optimus's toy has not aged well. It combines great & is very articulated. But it's just a ugly looking sculpt from top to bottom in combiner mode. due to the ugly weird sculpted trailer armor parts. the head,forearms & chest are the worse offenders. The OP & UM combined mode puts to much stress on all of Op's joints & makes it too unstable top heavy.

Energon created those inferior terrible deluxes & voyagers that combined with each other.

Energon Landmine was what i'd call HasTak's better tries. I think the toy needed some of the construction trailer parts to form combiner boots. other than that,it was great.

Armada Tidalwave was great but under articulated. Megatron combining with Tidalwave looked terrible.

1986 UM & 1988 PMOP were terrible singular super combiners even for there era. MF GodGinrai tacked on another trailer armor on a already terrible combiner robot.

1989 Victorysabre,had the worse tacked on armor I have ever seen.

shajaki wrote: and i know this statement is going to get me in trouble, but i honestly dont recall them releasing a parts former for some time. people talk about it like its half the new tf's on the shelves. you want to see parts forming? look at 3rd parties.

The last HasTak singular robot that combines with a trailer whether it be parts forming,exo-suit or other was that inferior DOTM Ultimate Optimus toy.

ROTF Had a leader scale optimus & Jetfire that combined. While it looked visually good from the front,it looked terrible & wrong from the back. The combination took away all of Optimus Legs articulation. The Combination put some serious stress on the singular OP toy.

AEC had Optimus bigger toys that combined. The A & E versions were terrible. Cybertron leader scale Optimus was mildly okay,due to most of the trailer become a flight pack on the back.

2001 Rid super scale Optimus's toy has not aged well. It combines great & is very articulated. But it's just a ugly looking sculpt from top to bottom in combiner mode. due to the ugly weird sculpted trailer armor parts. the head,forearms & chest are the worse offenders. The OP & UM combined mode puts to much stress on all of Op's joints & makes it too unstable top heavy.

Energon created those inferior terrible deluxes & voyagers that combined with each other.

Energon Landmine was what i'd call HasTak's better tries. I think the toy needed some of the construction trailer parts to form combiner boots. other than that,it was great.

Armada Tidalwave was great but under articulated. Megatron combining with Tidalwave looked terrible. MF GodGinrai tacked on another trailer armor on a already terrible combiner robot.

1986 UM & 1988 PMOP were terrible singular super combiners even for there era. MF GodGinrai tacked on another trailer armor on a already terrible combiner robot.

1989 Victorysabre,had the worse tacked on armor I have ever seen

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

shajaki wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:HasTak has a bad track record when it comes to robots toys.

really? hastak has a bad track record?

Erasing part of someones reply your quoting. to make it seem like he's talking about something else. Is the equivelant of cheeting or playing dirty. So I added back in my full statement below in this reply.

Um....no it isn't. It's addressing a specific point you made. The original is above. If you feel that you were taken out of context, feel free to point it out or to clarify. Otherwise this is done jut to save space and eliminate what wasn't needed for this particular argument. You tend to make a lot of points in your messages. It's good to just see a specific point to refute.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:HasTak has a bad track record when it comes to robots toys. that parts form or exo-suit with trailers parts to create a super robot mode.

I was referring to HasTak's bad track record when it comes to a singular robot combining with the trailer. whether it be the parts formers,exo-suit or other means.

I wasn't saying HasTak has a bad record creating TF toys like Shajaki make it seem like I was.

Examples, please! You tend to throw out comments like this without any supporting info. What partsforming exo-suit types of robots are you speaking of? I can only think of Classics Jetfire, Jetfire/OP joining of RoTF fame or maybe some of the Armada/Energon/Cybertron toys. Otherwise there are the Gestalts. And in none of them, that I can think of, would I come close to agreeing that yours is a valid argument. Please give examples to back up your claims.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

shajaki wrote: and i know this statement is going to get me in trouble, but i honestly dont recall them releasing a parts former for some time. people talk about it like its half the new tf's on the shelves. you want to see parts forming? look at 3rd parties.

Okay, it looks like you did finally get some examples here. Sorry for the previous, but this would have helped in your original post.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:The last HasTak singular robot that combines with a trailer whether it be parts forming,exo-suit or other was that inferior DOTM Ultimate Optimus toy.

I quite disagree. Once I figued out how the combination was supposed to go together, this was a lot of fun. My 7 year old son loves playing with this toy.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:ROTF Had a leader scale optimus & Jetfire that combined. While it looked visually good from the front,it looked terrible & wrong from the back. The combination took away all of Optimus Legs articulation. The Combination put some serious stress on the singular OP toy.

I would argue that this strays from your original point. This is two figures combining, not really a parts former. I think they look decent together and aside from one misalignment in mine, it fits well together.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:AEC had Optimus bigger toys that combined. The A & E versions were terrible. Cybertron leader scale Optimus was mildly okay,due to most of the trailer become a flight pack on the back.

Maybe I'm a little out of touch with the acronyms from nearly a decade ago, but A&E? Cybertron OP was awesome, in my opinion. It is one of my favorite renditions of OP in any line.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:2001 Rid super scale Optimus's toy has not aged well. It combines great & is very articulated. But it's just a ugly looking sculpt from top to bottom in combiner mode. due to the ugly weird sculpted trailer armor parts. the head,forearms & chest are the worse offenders. The OP & UM combined mode puts to much stress on all of Op's joints & makes it too unstable top heavy.

And now you are arguing aesthetics, and even contradict yourself. It's not good, but was good? I don't think it's reasonable to expect toys to last forever. (And, mine are still in great condition! No stress marks. Combine well, at least the last time I touched them about 3 years ago.)

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Energon created those inferior terrible deluxes & voyagers that combined with each other.

I loved these. I have no idea what you are talking about. This is not a good example of a bad track record. This is just an example of differing tastes.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Energon Landmine was what i'd call HasTak's better tries. I think the toy needed some of the construction trailer parts to form combiner boots. other than that,it was great.

I didn't get this one, so I'll defer to other's opinions.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Armada Tidalwave was great but under articulated. Megatron combining with Tidalwave looked terrible.

And now we are really getting to some aged items. Are you really comparing these bots to today's?

Tsutsukakushi wrote:1986 UM & 1988 PMOP were terrible singular super combiners even for there era. MF GodGinrai tacked on another trailer armor on a already terrible combiner robot.

1989 Victorysabre,had the worse tacked on armor I have ever seen.

I'm not even sure that it is worth bringing this into the conversation. These are 25 years old.

I don't think you are making your point very well. What of these would people generally consider recent, the movie line? When was the last Cybertron (from Unicron Trilogy) toy released, 10 years ago? Additionally, none of your examples, in my opinion, warrant a statement that Hasbro/Takara have a bad track record for partsforming.

ZOMG I stopped reading everything this guy says is ridiculous. I'm going to keep saying it, this thing isn't going to come out. Whatever pic that was posted that brought this topic back to life is not even a new picture.

Autobot Genocide wrote:Is KFC Ultra Magnus on his way??

Answer is no! this is a picture of a picture of the original reveal

mooncake623 wrote:ZOMG I stopped reading everything this guy says is ridiculous. I'm going to keep saying it, this thing isn't going to come out. Whatever pic that was posted that brought this topic back to life is not even a new picture.

Scaleface said on TFW that he was shown a testshot a few months back and it was looking pretty good (his words, not mine). I suspect we'll see more on this figure around Botcon time.

Agamemnon wrote:all that stuff i said above

ha! thanks... and yes i do crop quotes so save space

and AEC primes... yes armada prime was a bag of dicks. but i liked energons megazord prime! his biggest flaw was his basic bot mode. he was a lot of fun to play around with though. and yeah, cybertron prime, easily one of the best primes ever. even rid prime is still pretty awesome. so id find something other than primes to pick on for the part forming rant.