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peegoo wrote:hoy
i got something for yall



i got a plastic model kit peterbilt and cut it up and put it on a wire frame. these are teh only parts from the truck form that i can figure out so far concretely. i have no idea still, where the back cabin goes/becomes. but yes, i do have all teh peices for the truck and there is a buttload of stuff. but right now im just trying to get the basic structure so i can get started on teh transforming part

badass!

this is what you need

OptitronPrime wrote:this is what you need

I don't get it

Lets not forget the falic gun hanging off his arm, don't remember that being there in the film.

Auto Bot wrote:I think the CGI transformation is just bull. Parts come out randomly from here and there. It's so fast, that it makes you believe it is transforming properly.

Now that i got the DVD, i paused the transformations several times. There's no consistency. Things just magically sprout out from nowhere. Totally different from the toys.

But you won't make any progress either if you try to stay true to the CGI sequence. Won't get you anywhere.

great point makes me wonder how people mis this. U can't even tell where the vehicle comes and goes.

Liege Evilmus wrote:Lets not forget the falic gun hanging off his arm, don't remember that being there in the film.

I don't think it was on his arm. Didn't he pull a gun from his back when fighting Megatron?

If I could only figure out how they engineer the ball joints, etc. for connecting the pieces.

I found the early designs for some of the characters kind of interesting on Ben Procter's site.

The G1 inspired early idea for Starscream



The G1 inspired Megatron.



Does anyone know if this was the bot mode for the cab over engine G1 style truck? I heard rumors that they tested the original Prime truck, but it didn't look quite right and he was also much shorter so they abandon it for the Peterbilt design.



If they ever decide to do Shortround, they can forego the fan inspired toilet mode and just make him a toilet.



I sure hope this doesn't end up becoming one of the movie Dinobots for TF2

Interesting sketches. You got your primepretty much planned out.

If I could only figure out how they engineer the ball joints, etc. for connecting the pieces.

You design the angle constraints for the joint according to the attached part or base and the connected member needs, and then you propose dimensions for them. You need to know the material's strength (baked modeling clay/plastic/white metal for this cases) as well as their friction coefficient to calculate the forces applied to the joints (how fast it will receive loads, inertia, etc -basic physics,-) and determine -according to your proposed dimension for the joints- if the base joint will withstand the forces applied to it. For this, you will use vector calculations for force systems.
I'm an architect and that's how you would design those types of structures, regardless if it's a building structure or a toy joint. But one is probably better off using the trial and error method for this application.
This is interesting since it reminds a little about scale modeling for interior details. You can use white metal casting to achieve impressive details for robots. Good luck to the guy designing Prime!

hey i just drew this out, i need help figuring out what the back cab should be still. i have the front pretty much figured out, but the back cab and the "legs" are still a challenge.

i just drew this so everyone can get an idea of what parts are available to use so we can figure out whre everything can go

If you actually manage to do this then I'll eat my hat. (no offense, I just believe it can't be done by ANYONE)

The Chaos Bringer wrote:If you actually manage to do this then I'll eat my hat. (no offense, I just believe it can't be done by ANYONE)

don't forget to show us some pictures

autobot commander wrote:

The Chaos Bringer wrote:If you actually manage to do this then I'll eat my hat. (no offense, I just believe it can't be done by ANYONE)

don't forget to show us some pictures

yeah make sure don't forget about pictures.

but you said ANYONE... didn't people from hasbro design their toys?

The Chaos Bringer wrote:If you actually manage to do this then I'll eat my hat. (no offense, I just believe it can't be done by ANYONE)

This is quite true. IF you want to stick strictly to the Movie design.

peegoo, did i see equations in your sketches?

^ hahaha yeah, but it wasn't for calculating anything for prime i was just sketching on my biology notes ahahah

just for the record, i'm not making a prime that's EXACTLY like the movie one. I just want it to be closer than what we have.
the main gripes i have are the bulkiness/chunkiness and the backside of the leader class and the backpack and transformation of the voyager class prime (though i think it looks better than leader class).

however, ive been thinking maybe i should just make it a model of prime's robot mode, but make it really detailed and poseable. like i said there's yet to be a good, accurate robot mode figure.

also, i've been looking at the voyager class prime and i relaly like it aside from the huge backpack and smokestack guns. If there were some way to modify it so that the front part would actually transform, it'd be relatively close in shape to the movie one. should i try that? if so i m going to go buy one.

so what do ya'll think of the progress? I wont be updting as much for the next 2-3 weeks bc i got my finals for neuroscience and biology coming up. keep posting though, i'll still respond, i just won't be working on this as much until the break

This thread may help you out:
http://seibertron.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=22723&sid=

Be sure to check out the flickr link, the few pics on the thread don't do justice to the completed thing.

The only downside is he had to make it a parts-former for a few of the bits.

wooaaahhh this link is awesome!!! thanks rpetra
dang maybe he should jsut do it hahaha

I'm pretty much set on getting the voyager prime and modifying it with parts from the model kit. i'm going to be taking a huge risk though, because i wil lbe tearing this thing apart. i will be replacing a whole bunch of parts with metal.(!!) ill post pics in a few weeks

in the meantime, let me know what yall would like to see on this prime. im thinking about making a more g1 style cannon for it just bc i like it better. what do yall think?

and my goal is still to make it fully transform . yikes

peegoo wrote:wooaaahhh this link is awesome!!! thanks rpetra
dang maybe he should jsut do it hahaha

I'm pretty much set on getting the voyager prime and modifying it with parts from the model kit. i'm going to be taking a huge risk though, because i wil lbe tearing this thing apart. i will be replacing a whole bunch of parts with metal.(!!) ill post pics in a few weeks

in the meantime, let me know what yall would like to see on this prime. im thinking about making a more g1 style cannon for it just bc i like it better. what do yall think?

and my goal is still to make it fully transform . yikes

I would like the doors on Prime's chest to be painted(for once!) and I'd like the backpack to break into smaller pieces.
And about eating a hat, I'll do it only when someone makes a fully transforming, almost completely accurate movie Prime from scratch as the original post indicated this would be done.

^you know what yall
i think i may just make it out of scratch because i really want to see Chaos eat a hat hahah

ill get the voyager prime and at least take some peices from it. the only pecies id be taking would be the thighs and head for the most part. i need the figure mostly as a way to get an idea of the scale. would that still qualify, Chaos?

i slapped this together real fast to get an idea of what i need to do if i used peices from the voyager prime. the figure is actualy pretty accurate as far as most of its dimensions. a bit skinny though


i actually have something up my sleeve about how im going to make it from scratch, but im not sure if it will turn out okay. ill let yall see the pics when im done

Are you actually gonna rip apart a Voyager Prime?

Some folks pay top dollars to find that!

rpetras wrote:This thread may help you out:
http://seibertron.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=22723&sid=

Be sure to check out the flickr link, the few pics on the thread don't do justice to the completed thing.

The only downside is he had to make it a parts-former for a few of the bits.

This is an amazing mod. At least in bot mode. I didn't quite get the complete picture in truck mode.

And, yes, being parts-formers, is a turn off.

one thing i found that may help you is PICTURES! the design for the flames stretches to the back witch will help you find out where the back cab goes in this picture i have circled the flame designs. one thing ive found is that the red wheel covers seem to dissapear


heres how the chest should be

One thing you should take note of, is that, the front grill forms his abdomen.

Or at least that's the intention of the original design.

The weird thing is, the vertical slats of the grill became horizontal slats in robot mode.