The Energon Pub

Shattered Glass - a stupid storyline that justifies the existance of lazy repaints with no re-tooling.

Rated X wrote:Shattered Glass - a stupid storyline that justifies the existance of lazy repaints with no re-tooling.

You need a new song to sing.

Rated X wrote:Shattered Glass - a stupid storyline that justifies the existance of lazy repaints with no re-tooling.

At least they have a decent ongoing story line to back up the repaints unlike other repaints that exist just because. Look at the GDO line of Asia exclusives. That is 100% full of repaints and adds nothing to the overall feel of the line. That series of figs is basically Hasbro's attempt to keep naming licenses, basically. Also, just because you don't like Shattered Glass doesn't mean that everyone doesn't like them. I in particular don't care for Bot Shots and PCC but I don't bash them because I know others do.

Also, now that e-Hobby is in on the game, I would love an SG Goryu which was a green repaint of Masterpiece Grimlock with a headpiece. That is possible now.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Goryu_%28SG%29

Wouldn't it have been easier and more interesting to do a Soundwave in Blaster colors and a Blaster in Soundwave colors?

Blozor wrote:Wouldn't it have been easier and more interesting to do a Soundwave in Blaster colors and a Blaster in Soundwave colors?

Blaster in Soundwave color would look too much like Twincast, his upgraded form in Headmasters.

Great, more shattered arse stuff. An idea that sounded good on paper and should have stayed there

Well, at least BotCon 2013 won't be SG: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/650641-ehobby-tcc-exclusives-8.html#post8236414

Pete@BotCon wrote:This is introducing the Japanese market TO Shattered Glass...

And looking at the FSS Sub, I would say all 6 of those are gap fillers. And BotCon 2013 has nothing to do with SG and there will be some DEFINITE gap fillers in that set. (Guess that is the first BC 2013 hint...)

Like it or not, Shattered Glass was one of the freshest things to happen to the franchise since Beast Wars. Everything from RiD until the current TFP is basically the same. Shattered Glass at least did something different with the characters.

El Duque wrote:The image depicts G1 Soundwave, Blaster, Ratbat, Slugfest, Blaster, Ramhorn, Rewind, and Eject in Shattered Glass colors.

So we're getting two Blasters? Sweet.

Hoitytoity wrote:

El Duque wrote:The image depicts G1 Soundwave, Blaster, Ratbat, Slugfest, Blaster, Ramhorn, Rewind, and Eject in Shattered Glass colors.

So we're getting two Blasters? Sweet.

"yo dawg, we herd u like blasters, so we put a blaster in yo Blaster..."etc

I cannot believe that I overlooked this!

The "VS" was a multi-pack line that only saw three sets, was only made by Takara, and was done in 1985. So seeing how this is a e-HOBBY version of that line, this is going to be a Japan exclusive version of Shattered Glass.

Gah! Primus... I should have known that since I spent all that time sorting out the 1985-1992 toyline (but stopped for other subjects I dragged myself into).

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:I cannot believe that I overlooked this!

The "VS" was a multi-pack line that only saw three sets, was only made by Takara, and was done in 1985. So seeing how this is a e-HOBBY version of that line, this is going to be a Japan exclusive version of Shattered Glass.

Gah! Primus... I should have known that since I spent all that time sorting out the 1985-1992 toyline (but stopped for other subjects I dragged myself into).

The club will be selling it to American consumers on their site too. It's a collaboration between both companies for both markets.

Until now I thought there would never be a G1 redeco that I wouldn't buy but I believe this is it.

Sabrblade wrote:

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:I cannot believe that I overlooked this!

The "VS" was a multi-pack line that only saw three sets, was only made by Takara, and was done in 1985. So seeing how this is a e-HOBBY version of that line, this is going to be a Japan exclusive version of Shattered Glass.

Gah! Primus... I should have known that since I spent all that time sorting out the 1985-1992 toyline (but stopped for other subjects I dragged myself into).

The club will be selling it to American consumers on their site too. It's a collaborate between both companies for both markets.

If you mean the Japanese site, then yeah. Which makes it more complicated since they have both a tapestry I want and a Galvatron figure that I am debating over.

Then again... More than likely, if this is affordable, I will order it from TFsource. But it is unlikely since they have Soundwave look like he prefers flower power.

I wonder if Soundwave's headband will be sold seperately

Trikeboy wrote:Like it or not, Shattered Glass was one of the freshest things to happen to the franchise since Beast Wars. Everything from RiD until the current TFP is basically the same. Shattered Glass at least did something different with the characters.

I disagree. The entire concept is unoriginal and has been done to death in other franchises. The only thing Transformers did differently was a change of colour scheme and over-priced pieces of fabric instead of bitchin' goatees.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:If you mean the Japanese site, then yeah. Which makes it more complicated since they have both a tapestry I want and a Galvatron figure that I am debating over.

He means the TFCC site. This is a joint venture between TFCC and E-Hobby to sell the same "exclusives" in both markets.
E-Hobby sells to the Asian market
TFCC sells to the American market. They'd sell to other parts of the world too but that's only after you confirm your identity via fax machine and also hand over your credit details which they will most likely hand off to someone else.

Burn wrote:He means the TFCC site. This is a joint venture between TFCC and E-Hobby to sell the same "exclusives" in both markets.
E-Hobby sells to the Asian market
TFCC sells to the American market. They'd sell to other parts of the world too but that's only after you confirm your identity via fax machine and also hand over your credit details which they will most likely hand off to someone else.

I meant the VSE version, as that would be the version e-HOBBY would sell. It also would tie into the VS (VSX, VSY, VSZ) line that Takara had done in 1985. And this is the version I would buy if I am interested in it by then.

However... I am going on a whim and say that since TFCC is also distributing it, their packaging will have the "Shattered Glass" label. Which would be a smart move, and a nightmare for those who chose to buy both versions before seeing the final price.

Trikeboy wrote:Like it or not, Shattered Glass was one of the freshest things to happen to the franchise since Beast Wars. Everything from RiD until the current TFP is basically the same. Shattered Glass at least did something different with the characters.

Sorry, but "OMG let's make teh good guyz evalll!" does not constitute an original idea at all. It's a 'what if' proposition that would be best served being showcased in an episode of fiction here and there. I don't object to the toys but I feel that there are too damn many of them, and I'm bitterly disappointed that eHobby have gone down the same route. I would take a recoloured Kup as Skids at this point in time (with a different head, of course)

Banjo-Tron wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:Like it or not, Shattered Glass was one of the freshest things to happen to the franchise since Beast Wars. Everything from RiD until the current TFP is basically the same. Shattered Glass at least did something different with the characters.

Sorry, but "OMG let's make teh good guyz evalll!" does not constitute an original idea at all. It's a 'what if' proposition that would be best served being showcased in an episode of fiction here and there. I don't object to the toys but I feel that there are too damn many of them, and I'm bitterly disappointed that eHobby have gone down the same route. I would take a recoloured Kup as Skids at this point in time (with a different head, of course)

That kind of comment makes me think you haven't read any of the stories that take place in this universe. It is more than just good Decepticons and bad Autobots. The characters are totally different and the stories are quite gripping. Every other piece of Transformers fiction is basically this: Autobots and Decepticons come to earth, Autobots make human friends, there is a battle of the week, sometimes the Autobots win, sometimes they don't, Optimus Prime dies and comes back, Megatron reformats and calls himself Galvatron, big show down with the Autobots and the good guys win. It has been that way since Beast Wars. No matter how much I like Prime, I know it will follow the same pattern. I'm glad IDW are doing something new at last with the characters.

Trikeboy wrote:

Banjo-Tron wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:Like it or not, Shattered Glass was one of the freshest things to happen to the franchise since Beast Wars. Everything from RiD until the current TFP is basically the same. Shattered Glass at least did something different with the characters.

Sorry, but "OMG let's make teh good guyz evalll!" does not constitute an original idea at all. It's a 'what if' proposition that would be best served being showcased in an episode of fiction here and there. I don't object to the toys but I feel that there are too damn many of them, and I'm bitterly disappointed that eHobby have gone down the same route. I would take a recoloured Kup as Skids at this point in time (with a different head, of course)

That kind of comment makes me think you haven't read any of the stories that take place in this universe. It is more than just good Decepticons and bad Autobots. The characters are totally different and the stories are quite gripping. Every other piece of Transformers fiction is basically this: Autobots and Decepticons come to earth, Autobots make human friends, there is a battle of the week, sometimes the Autobots win, sometimes they don't, Optimus Prime dies and comes back, Megatron reformats and calls himself Galvatron, big show down with the Autobots and the good guys win. It has been that way since Beast Wars. No matter how much I like Prime, I know it will follow the same pattern. I'm glad IDW are doing something new at last with the characters.

I agree. But, then again, I see a lot of that happening online.

And also, the whole "death of Optimus Prime," "Megatron becomes Galvatron," etc. originated in Transformers: The Movie (1986). However, English media had made it become a recurring theme ever since then. Plus, Hasbro has created a "Binder of Revelation" that uses elements they feel need to be followed and altered. So there is always that chance we may get a "Galvatron II" (as done in the Marvel/IDW series and Takara's G-2 storyline).

But with the case at hand... Shattered Glass is more like Star Trek's Mirror World. As in a world where the good that restrained themselves are not doing that here. But I guess you don't need to be told that, and I think those who did not need to see what Ultra Magnus looks like in the Shattered Universe.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:

Banjo-Tron wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:Like it or not, Shattered Glass was one of the freshest things to happen to the franchise since Beast Wars. Everything from RiD until the current TFP is basically the same. Shattered Glass at least did something different with the characters.

Sorry, but "OMG let's make teh good guyz evalll!" does not constitute an original idea at all. It's a 'what if' proposition that would be best served being showcased in an episode of fiction here and there. I don't object to the toys but I feel that there are too damn many of them, and I'm bitterly disappointed that eHobby have gone down the same route. I would take a recoloured Kup as Skids at this point in time (with a different head, of course)

That kind of comment makes me think you haven't read any of the stories that take place in this universe. It is more than just good Decepticons and bad Autobots. The characters are totally different and the stories are quite gripping. Every other piece of Transformers fiction is basically this: Autobots and Decepticons come to earth, Autobots make human friends, there is a battle of the week, sometimes the Autobots win, sometimes they don't, Optimus Prime dies and comes back, Megatron reformats and calls himself Galvatron, big show down with the Autobots and the good guys win. It has been that way since Beast Wars. No matter how much I like Prime, I know it will follow the same pattern. I'm glad IDW are doing something new at last with the characters.

I agree. But, then again, I see a lot of that happening online.

And also, the whole "death of Optimus Prime," "Megatron becomes Galvatron," etc. originated in Transformers: The Movie (1986). However, English media had made it become a recurring theme ever since then. Plus, Hasbro has created a "Binder of Revelation" that uses elements they feel need to be followed and altered. So there is always that chance we may get a "Galvatron II" (as done in the Marvel/IDW series and Takara's G-2 storyline).

But with the case at hand... Shattered Glass is more like Star Trek's Mirror World. As in a world where the good that restrained themselves are not doing that here. But I guess you don't need to be told that, and I think those who did not need to see what Ultra Magnus looks like in the Shattered Universe.

I know but at least the death and reformat actually paid off in the story. In Armada, Megatron gets damaged, gets restored after the battle with Nemisis Prime and says "Now as Galvatron..." Why did he change his name just because he got a new paint job? Then at the start of Energon he is Megatron again. Optimus Prime dies in the first damn episode of Transformers Animated.

I like when people do something new with the characters in hand. IDW are finally doing it, and quite well in my opinion. Shattered Glass was a breath of fresh air. Dungeons and Dinobots was one of my favorite pieces of Transfomers fiction ever.

Back on topic, I have decided to get this if only for the cassettes. I just wish they would have gone better with the rest of the already released SG toys.

Trikeboy wrote:I know but at least the death and reformat actually paid off in the story. In Armada, Megatron gets damaged, gets restored after the battle with Nemisis Prime and says "Now as Galvatron..." Why did he change his name just because he got a new paint job? Then at the start of Energon he is Megatron again.

Yeah, that was a little wonky, but it was a case of the dubbers having adhere to Hasbro's desire to retain both names in the "Megatron --> Galvatron, rinse and repeat" pattern. In the original Japanese version, however, the change is much smoother.

In Micron Densetsu, when Megatron gets upgraded, he doesn't rename himself Galvatron, but gets a new toy name of "Megatron Super Mode". Then when he gets resurrected in Super Link, it is then that he becomes Galvatron. And then turning purple by Super Energon later only creates another new toy name for him: "Galvatron G" (with "G" short for "General").

Trikeboy wrote:Optimus Prime dies in the first damn episode of Transformers Animated.

Third episode.

Trikeboy wrote:Back on topic, I have decided to get this if only for the cassettes. I just wish they would have gone better with the rest of the already released SG toys.

Yeah, I do kinda wish these used more modern toy molds instead of the G1 molds, which automatically make this an expensive purchase even without the exclusivity.

Sabrblade wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:I know but at least the death and reformat actually paid off in the story. In Armada, Megatron gets damaged, gets restored after the battle with Nemisis Prime and says "Now as Galvatron..." Why did he change his name just because he got a new paint job? Then at the start of Energon he is Megatron again.

Yeah, that was a little wonky, but it was a case of the dubbers having adhere to Hasbro's desire to retain both names in the "Megatron --> Galvatron, rinse and repeat" pattern. In the original Japanese version, however, the change is much smoother.

In Micron Densetsu, when Megatron gets upgraded, he doesn't rename himself Galvatron, but gets a new toy name of "Megatron Super Mode". Then when he gets resurrected in Super Link, it is then that he becomes Galvatron. And then turning purple by Super Energon later only creates another new toy name for him: "Galvatron G" (with "G" short for "General").

My point exactly, Hasbro have been doing the rinse and repeat for so long it's getting boring. Something comes along that does something different and it gets slated.

Sabrblade wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:Optimus Prime dies in the first damn episode of Transformers Animated.

Third episode.

ok, ok, third episode but it was the first story in that universe.

Sabrblade wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:Back on topic, I have decided to get this if only for the cassettes. I just wish they would have gone better with the rest of the already released SG toys.

Yeah, I do kinda wish these used more modern toy molds instead of the G1 molds, which automatically make this an expensive purchase even without the exclusivity.

e-Hobby easily could have used the Device Label Blaster and removed the electronics. G1 cassettes still fit inside him. We really need a true Blaster upgrade that looks like his G1 self. If only they made one in the Music Label line.

Trikeboy wrote:I know but at least the death and reformat actually paid off in the story. In Armada, Megatron gets damaged, gets restored after the battle with Nemisis Prime and says "Now as Galvatron..." Why did he change his name just because he got a new paint job? Then at the start of Energon he is Megatron again. Optimus Prime dies in the first damn episode of Transformers Animated.

I like when people do something new with the characters in hand. IDW are finally doing it, and quite well in my opinion. Shattered Glass was a breath of fresh air. Dungeons and Dinobots was one of my favorite pieces of Transfomers fiction ever.

Back on topic, I have decided to get this if only for the cassettes. I just wish they would have gone better with the rest of the already released SG toys.

Had to make sure. Because we just met and I wanted to make sure that The Rebirth did not traumatize you enough to phase out anything that pre-dates Beast Wars.

And honestly, you can sum that up to them promoting the toyline. Because they needed to market the "powered up" Megatron in a way that kids will want it when they see it. Especially with it debuting in Japan first, and I think this was the era of fandom where I tried getting an Optimus Prime that did not have any QC issues. Plus, despite not getting into Animated, there is at least one character that I hope e-HOBBY will reissue. And also... I never got into any of IDW's stuff. I blame this on my dedication to Takara/Takara Tomy's faction.

That, and I am thinking that if this version of SG is split into two versions, I will definitely consider getting into the e-HOBBY version. I already have three Henkei!/G1 characters, two Alternity characters, and "Arms Micons" Arcee. Because as great SG is, I'd like to see if this is a new version, and how it plays out.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:That, and I am thinking that if this version of SG is split into two versions, I will definitely consider getting into the e-HOBBY version. I already have three Henkei!/G1 characters, two Alternity characters, and "Arms Micons" Arcee. Because as great SG is, I'd like to see if this is a new version, and how it plays out.

It's just e-HOBBY's means of introducing the American SG franchise to the Japanese market. It's not creating a separate "Japanese version" of SG, but a window to the existing SG franchise for the Japanese to access. Don't forget, this is both e-HOBBY and the TCC working together to create one product for both markets.