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Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:
What does Oil have to do with plastic??

Bravo, sir. Bravo.

Next time Skywarp-2 makes you upset with his rambling and persecution complex, just think of this line and remember that he's not worth it.

I have a rebuttle to that, next time Professor smooth gets huffy about a comment you make think of this and it will all be "A" okay... Ahhhhhhhhhh

Collectors that aren't online?

That's un-possible!

Oh, what the hell. I've got the time.

skywarp-2 wrote:

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:i think you need to calm down dude

Calm down??? What did I do, just get on the 11 o'clock news on top of a Watch tower with a rifle?? I'm simply trying to have a discussion about a grievance I have, not an argument, or get jumped on by a bunch of people for my opinions..come on..

They're not jumping on you. They are disagreeing with you. It's a subtle, yet important difference.

skywarp-2 wrote:I'm sure most of what I've read was disagreements, but there are some seriously demented comments and quotes directed at my opinion, as an attack..

They only seem demented because you seem to lack the ability to understand the concepts of OPINION and TACT.

skywarp-2 wrote:

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:honestly, look at the kids of today.
WHAT ARE THEY GOIN TO DO WITH A TRAILER?

What is wrong with kids of today, they are no different then we were back in the day??

They are a LOT different than we were back in the day. For one thing, they don't spend nearly as much time playing with toys. They prefer video games and internet related activities.

skywarp-2 wrote:Have you looked into the Housing Markets, the forclosure rates, the economy and the declines in Video game sales..toys are still as viable as they were in the 80s..

Where you getting your toy and video game statistics? Directly from your ass?

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:It is pointless.
It is too expensive.
Furthermore there are more kids out there than a Transformer Fanbase.

uhhh why is it expensive again?? Do you have some kind of fact sheet from Hasbro that takes into account how much it costs to make one transformer toy??

I do. It's quite expensive. It's not just a box with wheels, you know. It has to have a certain level of detailing (that somebody has to come up with and another person has to sculpt) and functionality. It also uses quite a bit of plastic which, if you've been following oil prices lately, can be considerable.

What does Oil have to do with plastic?? and post your sheet with the costs of what it is to produce a trailer..

What do you think plastic is made from? Fairy dust and magic?

skywarp-2 wrote:

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:Now, tell me this, are they going to invest money into a trailer that will cost way too much to make and ride on the fact that only a handful of Transfans will buy it?

HELLLLLLL NOOOOOOO!!!

Again where are you getting your facts from on the expenses it incurs on Hasbro to produce a trailer?? there is a mold already done for the Masterpiece version.. and what about future versions??...

I don't know about him, but I'm getting mine from Takara. The original MSRP on MP-1 was 10,000 yen. The price for MP-4 (with the trailer) was 18,000 yen. That's 80% added to the price. People have to design and build these things, and few will do it for free.

and as far as the Mark ups..it was the only one ever done..so there isn't a rerelease to knock that price down..what online store are you basing the yen amount off of anyways?? is that srp or Msrp, because there is a difference..in a large corporation like Hasbro, do you really think someone gets paid per toy, per job?? or do they design a bunch of toys and get a paycheck each month or 2 weeks?? that arguement of production costs is so old... seriously..

Online store? Did you look at the little info box below my name? I live in Japan. I don't have to get my information on prices from an online store. Might I remind you that YOU are the one who seems to think that it's SO cheap to produce a trailer when all evidence points to the contrary.

skywarp-2 wrote:

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:Their target audience is the kids......not us.
That is why prices on Takara's are a lot more than the US transformers.

uhh, no I always thought Takara Prices were more because of the Import Prices, and online mark ups??

You thought wrong, then. The selling price for TF Movie Deluxe figures in the US at Toys R Us was around 10 USD. The cost of those same figures here in Japan was 2,200 yen. That's TWICE as much.

Ummm aren't those movie toys produced by Hasbro?? so the mark up in Japan, it's like importing a Takara toy here isn't it??? just in reverse.. I don't follow your reasoning here..

Ummm, no, they're not. You show that you'Re ignorant again. The movie figures were created by both Hasbro and Takara. They were distributed in the US by Hasbro and in Japan by Takara. Both companies had their figures shipped to them from China. There is no importing/exporting from/to the US and Japan.

skywarp-2 wrote:

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:The days of when parents would shell out huge bucks for a toy is now gone.

so then you must think that Hasbro believes as you do.. Oh wait... didn't they release an Ultimate Bumblebee figure??

Why yes, they DID release an Ultimate Bumblebee figure. And look, it doesn't include a big hollow BOX to drive the price into triple digits, does it?

yeah but it's got alot of needless transformations and crummy robotics.. besides what did Optimus Prime's trailer ever do to you??

Those "needless" features sell it to the target demographic. It bumped up the price of a very nice figure from 10,000 yen to 18,000 yen for the purpose of adding a trailer that alternately takes up shelf space and sits in a box.

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Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:are you trying to tell me that a kid would rather spend $140 on a toy than on an XBOX or PS2. Does that make any logical sense to you.

not really, but what kid has 140 to spend on an Xbox?? Last I checked even teenagers had a hard time getting that kind of dough together..

No major retailer is going to carry a 140 dollar Transformer. Hasbro makes its money selling figures to retailers, not to buyers. If no retailers would support the figure, then there is no profit to be made.

so basically they wouldn't sell a product that retails every where else for 140.00 or more, on online websites, Amazon.com, ect.. because its a Hasbro release, versus the Takara ones online right now??? What?? I don't understand your reasoning again??

Takara's figures are not sold ONLY IN AMERICA THROUGH IMPORT SHOPS. They are also sold at regular retailers IN JAPAN. This imaginary 140 dollar Masterpiece Prime you have such an obsession about would be ordered ONLY by online retailers. That ALONE is enough to AT LEAST double the cost of the figures. Look at that Botcon Seekers set. It cost so much because there wasn't a mass-market release to keep prices down. If Hasbro released the MP-4 as an online exclusive, with a limited run of, for example, 1,000, you'd be looking at a figure that costs between 300 and 500 dollars.

I like trailers.
Not trailers like the expensive MP-04 Trailer, I can live without that one.
BUT I was really bummed when Hasbro said they weren't making a trailer for Classics Prime. Also, I'd really wish they'd make a trailer for the Voyager Animated Prime.

I always liked putting the other G1 cars inside my G1 Prime and having them hauled around and pop out for battle. I always liked that kind of play value.

I miss trailers and I'm all for sacrificing mini-cons for trailers. Cause I'm pagan like that. Oh well that's just my opinion anyways.

I don't understand this thread. Skywarp-2 wants a trailer for his MP Prime. Takara made one, as well as several other companies. What's the problem? That Hasbro won't release something they don't think will sell? Why should they? Their last release of MP Prime is cluttering shelves across the globe, they'd be stupid to release it AGAIN.

As for the comment that Hasbro will never release a Prime with a trailer again: wow. Can I borrow your time machine sometime?

What the hell?! thats a lot of posts about crap and baby pics i can't be bothered to read.

I love Prime Trailers how the hell anyone could justify hasbro not producing them is beyond me To me they make the Truck complete. MP-04 is a work of art. when I transform my 20th aniversary prime It always looks like something is missing to complete the picture and thats the Huge frikkin trailer he should be dragging behind him.

at the moment all my alternators and Binaltechs are displayed in vehicle mode because I love cars and it annoys me that I don't have a trailer to add to my Prime to locate behind them to complete the picture.

I like Big Trucks and to be honest Hasblo ones don't cut it in comparison. Its too difficult for me to get a trailer seperately and too much hassle because in the end i'll spend more on buying it and shipping than if it was included with the figure to start off with. Money isn't the issue here because in asia the MP's are selling at the equivalent of £50 but in england the dvd orange prime on his own is going for £70! what the hell is that extra £20 for? I'm sure they could make a plastic trailer that wouldn't cost the £20 extra they are making per sale that they are getting off these figures.

The reality is that if its Prime and he has detail, any TF fan will get one. in 2005 20th anniversary primes were out of stock, not shelf warmers ad there were so many people posting comments like "damn i wish I had one" and " I'm so gutted I missed out on them". then i believe hasbro did a re run and again they sold well but there were left overs that they shipped to europe and because so many people had the thing to begin with, of course the newly released dvd prime would sit on shelves.

So yeah, I don't care about excuses, BRING BACK THE TRAILERS!
they couldn't give classic prime a trailer but they could give the crap armada/energon/cybertron primes trailers?! gimme a break!

I don't really want the trailer. If it costs 50 dollars, i'm definitely not getting it. what does the masterpiece trailer do? i heard it doesn't even have roller?
its just a metal box that opens up. don't need it.
also, why would Hasbro make a trailer for movie prime now? he doesnt have one in the movie, and kids won't buy a realistic trailer.
what kind of kid would want a box. unless it looks unrealistic and does crazy crap like in armada, then theres no point to me to owning one.
if i really wanted one, I'd get a printout from the internet and fold it up.
if you want a really really good one from hasbro, maybe they'll release some bot-con exclusive or club exclusive or some type of exclusive.

but if it was an Ultra Magnus trailer, then YES release it!
I want Magnus armor, not an empty box.

Yeah, Prime can live without his trailer. Prime is Prime with or without one. Save the lobbying effort for Ultra Magnus, who is simply NOT ultra magnus without his trailer/armour.

Death to stupid white prime!!!

voice of hoist wrote:Death to stupid white prime!!!

ooooooooooo Racism lol


Yeah i'd also like to see an ultra magnus trailer set, that would be cool having a fully articulated armored ultra magnus. maybe that way he'd get some respect lol

Considering Hasbro released MP Prime 2-3 separate times, I agree, they certainly could have done a much better job with it (ie: regular smoke stacks, no battle damage, using a proper red paint, giving it an accurate ALL black gun) through their various versions. Sneaking in a MP-04 styled trailer with one of those releases probably would have also helped it become less of a shelfwarmer than it was since it would look more complete. When I got the original MP-01, it didn't even occur to me that there was no trailer since I was in such awe of the figure itself. But when I got MP-04, I was immediately reminded of how essential the trailer actually was to the overall look & feel of Prime.

That said, re-releasing that figure again would be massive overkill, so I don't think they should, trailer or not. I also disagree that Movie Prime should have a trailer. Fact is that he didn't have one in the movie and looked just fine without it, so there's no need for the toy to suddenly have one.

Classics Prime, however, most definitely could have benefitted from getting a trailer since it looks so small & plain without one. Maybe that's something the Japanese version will get if we're lucky (fingers crossed).

Professor Smooth wrote:Oh, what the hell. I've got the time.

skywarp-2 wrote:

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:i think you need to calm down dude

Calm down??? What did I do, just get on the 11 o'clock news on top of a Watch tower with a rifle?? I'm simply trying to have a discussion about a grievance I have, not an argument, or get jumped on by a bunch of people for my opinions..come on..

They're not jumping on you. They are disagreeing with you. It's a subtle, yet important difference.

skywarp-2 wrote:I'm sure most of what I've read was disagreements, but there are some seriously demented comments and quotes directed at my opinion, as an attack..

They only seem demented because you seem to lack the ability to understand the concepts of OPINION and TACT.

Ok I guess I'll take a stab at this...whoa...you seem to be alittle hot under the collar?? I was quite proud of the decent debates we just had, but you had to go into the OPINION and TACT Place....I'm gonna go crawl into my bed in a fetal position and suck my thumb on that one...
your silly

skywarp-2 wrote:

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:honestly, look at the kids of today.
WHAT ARE THEY GOIN TO DO WITH A TRAILER?

What is wrong with kids of today, they are no different then we were back in the day??

They are a LOT different than we were back in the day. For one thing, they don't spend nearly as much time playing with toys. They prefer video games and internet related activities.

skywarp-2 wrote:Have you looked into the Housing Markets, the forclosure rates, the economy and the declines in Video game sales..toys are still as viable as they were in the 80s..

Where you getting your toy and video game statistics? Directly from your ass?

Hey, I'm not sure I like where your going, that's an exit not an entrance!! and actually you can find meaningful reports online.. which I do sometimes as I'm debating..

Professor Smooth wrote:

Professor Smooth wrote:]

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:It is pointless.
It is too expensive.
Furthermore there are more kids out there than a Transformer Fanbase.

uhhh why is it expensive again?? Do you have some kind of fact sheet from Hasbro that takes into account how much it costs to make one transformer toy??

I do. It's quite expensive. It's not just a box with wheels, you know. It has to have a certain level of detailing (that somebody has to come up with and another person has to sculpt) and functionality. It also uses quite a bit of plastic which, if you've been following oil prices lately, can be considerable.

What does Oil have to do with plastic?? and post your sheet with the costs of what it is to produce a trailer..

What do you think plastic is made from? Fairy dust and magic?

yeah, I always thought of TinkerBell as the Oil and Plastics fairy...

Manufacturers take simple hydrocarbons from whatever source material they're using -- commonly crude oil, but also natural gas, corn, and other biomass -- and turn them into polymers, a fancy word for chains of molecules. In the case of crude oil, they do this by heating it to more than 750 degrees Fahrenheit, then separating its components. The polymers usually travel onward in life in the form of pellets, ending up at one plastic factory or another to be molded into familiar shapes. The pellet system has worked out well for recycling, because recycled plastic is shredded into flakes, which are easily melted and turned back into pellets.


You are probably familiar with the basic types of plastic, though you may not know their science-y names, which are often abbreviated on the bottom of your household products. Polyethylene (HDPE or LDPE) is the soft one you likely encounter most, in milk jugs, shampoo bottles, plastic bags, and so forth. Polystyrene (PS) is the hard plastic that makes casings for computers and other appliances, and also the basis of the foam product we fondly (but trademark infringingly) call Styrofoam. Polypropylene (PP) is used in dishwasher-safe containers and is also the magical fiber that rugged outdoorspeople favor. You'll often find polyethylene terephthalate (PET) in soda bottles, and it is sometimes recycled into fleece, upholstery fabrics, and other useful materials. And then of course there's polyvinyl chloride (PVC) -- no vinyl, and that's final.


so here's the kicker, and why I don't think oil Prices have anything to do with Plastic for making Transformers, and why your question was exhaggerated and out of proportion to what I'm talking about, Transformers toys are on such a small scale compared tothe world's uses of plastics, I really don't see what harm a trailer would do in terms of enourmous costs..

When crude oil is refined, its various chemical bits are separated. Some become gasoline, some diesel fuel, some motor oil, and others the raw material for plastics. The best estimate I could find says that about 4 percent of the world's annual oil production of some 84.5 million barrels per day is used as feedstock for plastic, and another 4 percent or so provides the energy to transform the feedstock into handy plastic.


Let's say a foam cup is what you had in mind as a "typical" plastic. In a classic study that closely examined the inputs for a foam cup vs. a paper cup and found the paper cup wanting, the petroleum inputs to the foam cup were 3.2 grams. (I'll leave it to you to weigh a foam cup if you want to, because I do not have one on hand, and I want you to feel empowered and participatory.) I've also seen it described slightly differently, that it requires about 1.78 kilograms of petroleum feedstock to make a kilogram of polystyrene.


We could make and use fewer petroleum-based plastics, but I don't know how much that would cut into oil drilling. Recycling, however, does cut into energy use. According to the U.S. EPA, manufacturing new plastic from recycled plastic requires two-thirds of the energy used in virgin plastic manufacture. I have more numbers, too: one ton of recycled plastic saves 685 gallons of oil. You can find lots of these "x amount is saved when we recycle" numbers in recycling promotional literature.


so Basically, Melt the Minicons!!! recycle!!

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:]

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:Now, tell me this, are they going to invest money into a trailer that will cost way too much to make and ride on the fact that only a handful of Transfans will buy it?

HELLLLLLL NOOOOOOO!!!

Again where are you getting your facts from on the expenses it incurs on Hasbro to produce a trailer?? there is a mold already done for the Masterpiece version.. and what about future versions??...

I don't know about him, but I'm getting mine from Takara. The original MSRP on MP-1 was 10,000 yen. The price for MP-4 (with the trailer) was 18,000 yen. That's 80% added to the price. People have to design and build these things, and few will do it for free.

and as far as the Mark ups..it was the only one ever done..so there isn't a rerelease to knock that price down..what online store are you basing the yen amount off of anyways?? is that srp or Msrp, because there is a difference..in a large corporation like Hasbro, do you really think someone gets paid per toy, per job?? or do they design a bunch of toys and get a paycheck each month or 2 weeks?? that arguement of production costs is so old... seriously..

Online store? Did you look at the little info box below my name? I live in Japan. I don't have to get my information on prices from an online store. Might I remind you that YOU are the one who seems to think that it's SO cheap to produce a trailer when all evidence points to the contrary.

Oh and so because you live in Japan your the foremost expert on MSRP??what evidence, do you have Takara's Factory report, or their market report that shows the manufacture costs??

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:Their target audience is the kids......not us.
That is why prices on Takara's are a lot more than the US transformers.

uhh, no I always thought Takara Prices were more because of the Import Prices, and online mark ups??

You thought wrong, then. The selling price for TF Movie Deluxe figures in the US at Toys R Us was around 10 USD. The cost of those same figures here in Japan was 2,200 yen. That's TWICE as much.

Ummm aren't those movie toys produced by Hasbro?? so the mark up in Japan, it's like importing a Takara toy here isn't it??? just in reverse.. I don't follow your reasoning here..

Ummm, no, they're not. You show that you'Re ignorant again. The movie figures were created by both Hasbro and Takara. They were distributed in the US by Hasbro and in Japan by Takara. Both companies had their figures shipped to them from China. There is no importing/exporting from/to the US and Japan.

now now, no name calling...ohhhh... my mistake, you are the expert aren't ya... Where is your proof of that cost difference, why would Japanese Retailers charge more for their Products comming from China?? why the difference then?? what data do you have that backs your position up??

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:The days of when parents would shell out huge bucks for a toy is now gone.

so then you must think that Hasbro believes as you do.. Oh wait... didn't they release an Ultimate Bumblebee figure??

Why yes, they DID release an Ultimate Bumblebee figure. And look, it doesn't include a big hollow BOX to drive the price into triple digits, does it?

yeah but it's got alot of needless transformations and crummy robotics.. besides what did Optimus Prime's trailer ever do to you??

Those "needless" features sell it to the target demographic. It bumped up the price of a very nice figure from 10,000 yen to 18,000 yen for the purpose of adding a trailer that alternately takes up shelf space and sits in a box.

for you maybe... I like having a repair bay for Prime or other Alternators to pose and have Prime haul them in.. I don't own the MP-04 but I did buy the single fan made release that goes with the MP-01, so I am glad I got one, but what of thise who missed out.. shoot I'd buy it again.. I can never get enough of MP Prime..

but I'm not just talking about the MP Prime, you seem to have centered on that issue and won't let it go.. Why can't a functional trailer be done?? Like armor, as was done in the past.. for future Prime toys??

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:are you trying to tell me that a kid would rather spend $140 on a toy than on an XBOX or PS2. Does that make any logical sense to you.

not really, but what kid has 140 to spend on an Xbox?? Last I checked even teenagers had a hard time getting that kind of dough together..

No major retailer is going to carry a 140 dollar Transformer. Hasbro makes its money selling figures to retailers, not to buyers. If no retailers would support the figure, then there is no profit to be made.

so basically they wouldn't sell a product that retails every where else for 140.00 or more, on online websites, Amazon.com, ect.. because its a Hasbro release, versus the Takara ones online right now??? What?? I don't understand your reasoning again??

Takara's figures are not sold ONLY IN AMERICA THROUGH IMPORT SHOPS. They are also sold at regular retailers IN JAPAN. This imaginary 140 dollar Masterpiece Prime you have such an obsession about would be ordered ONLY by online retailers. That ALONE is enough to AT LEAST double the cost of the figures. Look at that Botcon Seekers set. It cost so much because there wasn't a mass-market release to keep prices down. If Hasbro released the MP-4 as an online exclusive, with a limited run of, for example, 1,000, you'd be looking at a figure that costs between 300 and 500 dollars.

I doubt it, a limited run of that amount is Not what I'm saying would be nice, I was thinking of more of an exclusive Run like the US Starscream..not everyone imports from Japan, and not everyone knows that there are Masterpieces being produced by takara..Not every collector frequents Transformer websites either..our gauge of what we consider transformers fans is skewed by our census that is derrived from message Boards and Botcon attnedence, there are more fans out there, then we know of, and I feel sorry for them, because either they don't know, or haven't been able to get a Prime with trailer.. so if the rumors of the 2-Pack Megatrona dn Prime from Takara are true, I'm glad that it would atleast give some of those people who are know aware of the Takara Brands, a chance to purchase a Prime with Trailer in one boxed set..

I don't think they would have to make him bendy smockestacks, if you have a look at Movie Voyager Prime, he has long and hard, smockestacks just like the classics deluxe crapimus Prime!

And, why not mark a ultra class Prime, with trailer as Leaderclass? They did it with Armada and Energon.

I want a Prime with trailer.

I have a question, if you have a friend at Hasbro, why don't you just ask him why they don't make the Trailer?

0ctane wrote:What the hell?! thats a lot of posts about crap and baby pics i can't be bothered to read.

I love Prime Trailers how the hell anyone could justify hasbro not producing them is beyond me To me they make the Truck complete. MP-04 is a work of art. when I transform my 20th aniversary prime It always looks like something is missing to complete the picture and thats the Huge frikkin trailer he should be dragging behind him.

at the moment all my alternators and Binaltechs are displayed in vehicle mode because I love cars and it annoys me that I don't have a trailer to add to my Prime to locate behind them to complete the picture.

I like Big Trucks and to be honest Hasblo ones don't cut it in comparison. Its too difficult for me to get a trailer seperately and too much hassle because in the end i'll spend more on buying it and shipping than if it was included with the figure to start off with. Money isn't the issue here because in asia the MP's are selling at the equivalent of £50 but in england the dvd orange prime on his own is going for £70! what the hell is that extra £20 for? I'm sure they could make a plastic trailer that wouldn't cost the £20 extra they are making per sale that they are getting off these figures.

The reality is that if its Prime and he has detail, any TF fan will get one. in 2005 20th anniversary primes were out of stock, not shelf warmers ad there were so many people posting comments like "damn i wish I had one" and " I'm so gutted I missed out on them". then i believe hasbro did a re run and again they sold well but there were left overs that they shipped to europe and because so many people had the thing to begin with, of course the newly released dvd prime would sit on shelves.

So yeah, I don't care about excuses, BRING BACK THE TRAILERS!
they couldn't give classic prime a trailer but they could give the crap armada/energon/cybertron primes trailers?! gimme a break!

Good show ole chap!!

I'm more interested in why Hasbro has statedat Botcon that Prime won't be getting a trailer in the future toylines.. that's what I'm more concerned with, and having to defend my position over and Over and over again on the Masterpiece/20th Anniversary side is getting old.. it's just a suggestion, to help others who are not board members and don't import.. I used to be one of those people, they exist in vast numbers and read Toyfare religiously...

But your right, Prime isn't a complete toy without the trailer, and what of the play value, some of us like to place the other car bots in the aft end to haul around ort do a launching scene, and what of the use as a repair bay?? I love the little Spike and Sparkplug figures, whom I bet could fit nicely in the trailer repair bot arm thingy.. and would give a nice display of them repairing Prime after battle.. it's a useful addition ot the toy as an extra in that respect.. why do people only view it as just a Box???

but honestly, I am more concerned that we won't see a Prime and trailer combo again..

GetterDragun wrote:I have a question, if you have a friend at Hasbro, why don't you just ask him why they don't make the Trailer?

I sent the e-mail this morning.. I'll wait to here what he says.. it may not be until late this evening or tomorrow before he gets back to me.. they got alot going on iup there in Rochester, he's in the gaming development department.... so they are gearing up for next years lines...that's what he said 3 days ago anyways..

skywarp-2 wrote:

0ctane wrote:What the hell?! thats a lot of posts about crap and baby pics i can't be bothered to read.

I love Prime Trailers how the hell anyone could justify hasbro not producing them is beyond me To me they make the Truck complete. MP-04 is a work of art. when I transform my 20th aniversary prime It always looks like something is missing to complete the picture and thats the Huge frikkin trailer he should be dragging behind him.

at the moment all my alternators and Binaltechs are displayed in vehicle mode because I love cars and it annoys me that I don't have a trailer to add to my Prime to locate behind them to complete the picture.

I like Big Trucks and to be honest Hasblo ones don't cut it in comparison. Its too difficult for me to get a trailer seperately and too much hassle because in the end i'll spend more on buying it and shipping than if it was included with the figure to start off with. Money isn't the issue here because in asia the MP's are selling at the equivalent of £50 but in england the dvd orange prime on his own is going for £70! what the hell is that extra £20 for? I'm sure they could make a plastic trailer that wouldn't cost the £20 extra they are making per sale that they are getting off these figures.

The reality is that if its Prime and he has detail, any TF fan will get one. in 2005 20th anniversary primes were out of stock, not shelf warmers ad there were so many people posting comments like "damn i wish I had one" and " I'm so gutted I missed out on them". then i believe hasbro did a re run and again they sold well but there were left overs that they shipped to europe and because so many people had the thing to begin with, of course the newly released dvd prime would sit on shelves.

So yeah, I don't care about excuses, BRING BACK THE TRAILERS!
they couldn't give classic prime a trailer but they could give the crap armada/energon/cybertron primes trailers?! gimme a break!

Good show ole chap!!

I'm more interested in why Hasbro has statedat Botcon that Prime won't be getting a trailer in the future toylines.. that's what I'm more concerned with, and having to defend my position over and Over and over again on the Masterpiece/20th Anniversary side is getting old.. it's just a suggestion, to help others who are not board members and don't import.. I used to be one of those people, they exist in vast numbers and read Toyfare religiously...

But your right, Prime isn't a complete toy without the trailer, and what of the play value, some of us like to place the other car bots in the aft end to haul around ort do a launching scene, and what of the use as a repair bay?? I love the little Spike and Sparkplug figures, whom I bet could fit nicely in the trailer repair bot arm thingy.. and would give a nice display of them repairing Prime after battle.. it's a useful addition ot the toy as an extra in that respect.. why do people only view it as just a Box???

but honestly, I am more concerned that we won't see a Prime and trailer combo again..

Here's my problem with our original post. First it comes off overly dramatic with the old fanboy attack of Hasbro. And then you focus on MP Prime.

Your basing your assumption that Hasbro is done with trailers because Classics, Movie, and Animated don't have one. But this is all an assumption, we don't know what the next Prime will have.

Also, if you have posed the question just simply as, do you want to see the next Prime we don't know about have a trailer, most people would have said yes. Cause the assumption is a $39 Prime with a Trailer...not your $140+ MP Prime excuse. Now if you pose the second question, who would you prefer to get a Trailer in the next series after Animated, Prime or Magnus, I bet you would get more yes's for Magnus.

cellshock wrote:Considering Hasbro released MP Prime 2-3 separate times, I agree, they certainly could have done a much better job with it (ie: regular smoke stacks, no battle damage, using a proper red paint, giving it an accurate ALL black gun) through their various versions. Sneaking in a MP-04 styled trailer with one of those releases probably would have also helped it become less of a shelfwarmer than it was since it would look more complete. When I got the original MP-01, it didn't even occur to me that there was no trailer since I was in such awe of the figure itself. But when I got MP-04, I was immediately reminded of how essential the trailer actually was to the overall look & feel of Prime.

That was my gripe, they should Have...but didn't and that is why I said I feel as if they force me to buy Takara Merchandise, to which I was flamed...

cellshock wrote:That said, re-releasing that figure again would be massive overkill, so I don't think they should, trailer or not.

I agree it would be overkill, the stupid DVD release was a bad idea, and had they done a rerelease along side the DVD with Trailer, and not Battle damage I don't think we'd have the shelf warmers we have today..

cellshock wrote: I also disagree that Movie Prime should have a trailer. Fact is that he didn't have one in the movie and looked just fine without it, so there's no need for the toy to suddenly have one.

No your right, i was just in awe over the custom painted one that had the trailer in the picture, it made me think of how cool a Movie Priem would have looked with a trailer, but he doesn't need it.. your right..
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/ ... chOP_7.jpg

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However it would look really really cool!!! the Peterbuilt truck with a Trailer just looks soooo Cool!!!

cellshock wrote:Classics Prime, however, most definitely could have benefitted from getting a trailer since it looks so small & plain without one. Maybe that's something the Japanese version will get if we're lucky (fingers crossed).

I think classics Prime would have been nice with a Trailer..
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so does War Within..
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and Rodimus Prime if ever done a s a Masterpiece should have a trailer..
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/ ... s/rp23.jpg

and Ultra Magnus needs a Trailer...
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So here's my question, if Takara does Trailers for Ultra Magnus and Rodimus Prime does that mean that the Hasbro's "No More Trailers" Policy means that we won't ever see those toys domestically??? and what does that say for Trailer/armor combos??


One more question, what was the official Decree at Botcon 2007 that hasbro's panel said about the trailer issue?? I want to know what the clarification was on that?? Was it just Prime who won't get a trailer anymore, or all trailers??

What about this new Ultra Magnus in the future that won't be just a Prime repaint?? Wiull he then have trailer, or just be a different truck??

GetterDragun wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

0ctane wrote:What the hell?! thats a lot of posts about crap and baby pics i can't be bothered to read.

I love Prime Trailers how the hell anyone could justify hasbro not producing them is beyond me To me they make the Truck complete. MP-04 is a work of art. when I transform my 20th aniversary prime It always looks like something is missing to complete the picture and thats the Huge frikkin trailer he should be dragging behind him.

at the moment all my alternators and Binaltechs are displayed in vehicle mode because I love cars and it annoys me that I don't have a trailer to add to my Prime to locate behind them to complete the picture.

I like Big Trucks and to be honest Hasblo ones don't cut it in comparison. Its too difficult for me to get a trailer seperately and too much hassle because in the end i'll spend more on buying it and shipping than if it was included with the figure to start off with. Money isn't the issue here because in asia the MP's are selling at the equivalent of £50 but in england the dvd orange prime on his own is going for £70! what the hell is that extra £20 for? I'm sure they could make a plastic trailer that wouldn't cost the £20 extra they are making per sale that they are getting off these figures.

The reality is that if its Prime and he has detail, any TF fan will get one. in 2005 20th anniversary primes were out of stock, not shelf warmers ad there were so many people posting comments like "damn i wish I had one" and " I'm so gutted I missed out on them". then i believe hasbro did a re run and again they sold well but there were left overs that they shipped to europe and because so many people had the thing to begin with, of course the newly released dvd prime would sit on shelves.

So yeah, I don't care about excuses, BRING BACK THE TRAILERS!
they couldn't give classic prime a trailer but they could give the crap armada/energon/cybertron primes trailers?! gimme a break!

Good show ole chap!!

I'm more interested in why Hasbro has statedat Botcon that Prime won't be getting a trailer in the future toylines.. that's what I'm more concerned with, and having to defend my position over and Over and over again on the Masterpiece/20th Anniversary side is getting old.. it's just a suggestion, to help others who are not board members and don't import.. I used to be one of those people, they exist in vast numbers and read Toyfare religiously...

But your right, Prime isn't a complete toy without the trailer, and what of the play value, some of us like to place the other car bots in the aft end to haul around ort do a launching scene, and what of the use as a repair bay?? I love the little Spike and Sparkplug figures, whom I bet could fit nicely in the trailer repair bot arm thingy.. and would give a nice display of them repairing Prime after battle.. it's a useful addition ot the toy as an extra in that respect.. why do people only view it as just a Box???

but honestly, I am more concerned that we won't see a Prime and trailer combo again..

Here's my problem with our original post. First it comes off overly dramatic with the old fanboy attack of Hasbro. And then you focus on MP Prime.

Your basing your assumption that Hasbro is done with trailers because Classics, Movie, and Animated don't have one. But this is all an assumption, we don't know what the next Prime will have.

Also, if you have posed the question just simply as, do you want to see the next Prime we don't know about have a trailer, most people would have said yes. Cause the assumption is a $39 Prime with a Trailer...not your $140+ MP Prime excuse. Now if you pose the second question, who would you prefer to get a Trailer in the next series after Animated, Prime or Magnus, I bet you would get more yes's for Magnus.

ahhh yeah my original Post cvould have been better, but I was that crazed Fanboy attacking Hasbro, that is why a discussion with like minded individuals, like minded being a Transformers Fan, helps in changing perspectives of the crazed fanboy.. I'm glad there are paople hhere who are able to debate, and bring out things I haven't considered.. so yeah my original Post caused problems, but It was what i felt at that time..today, it;s a little tamer and a little different view, and I could have worded it better in hindsight.. but heck..the debate was good, and got a few things on the table, that alot of people or myself have been thinking. and I for one still think the Crutch of cost and Production as a Hasbro defense is still a lie, and has no real basis..unless I hear it from Aaron Archer himself...

Skywarp, I thought you were a bit fanboy at the start, but you've really done some homework here. Good work.

I don't collect so my opinion really doesn't matter. However, as a kid I had G1 Optimus Prime and I hated when he was drawn with no trailer. I think semis just look funny all on their own, even when I see them on the highway. To my mind Op toys should all come with a trailer. Hasbro could make the Prime figure a little smaller, include the trailer, and offer it at a slightly increased price. People will pay more for more toy.

lol.. i wish movie prime had a trailer, just for aesthetic reasons, but i certainly don't expect hasbro to make one.

I bought the $100 knock off transformable trailer for my MP prime,not cuz it transforms mind you, but because it was longer then the silly short takara one.

But again, i don't expect trailers, i think they just add to your display, which is wha ti'm all about

~Windcharger~ wrote::APPLAUSE:

Skywarp, I thought you were a bit fanboy at the start, but you've really done some homework here. Good work.

I don't collect so my opinion really doesn't matter. However, as a kid I had G1 Optimus Prime and I hated when he was drawn with no trailer. I think semis just look funny all on their own, even when I see them on the highway. To my mind Op toys should all come with a trailer. Hasbro could make the Prime figure a little smaller, include the trailer, and offer it at a slightly increased price. People will pay more for more toy.

thanks windcharger, I'm glad you feel that way, thanks

and by the way... awesome sig!!!

edit: and i believe on leader class movie prime there is a hole on his rear ) that looks like it *could* be for a trailer hitch.. so who knows.. perhaps in TFM2 movie prime will decide he needs to bulk up his arsenal a bit after getting himself wooped by Megs.

Never know, they could make one and sell it for $50 or something

Prime's icon status was created with a trailer,
for me at least. Prime's change though.
If he has a trailer I am happy. If he doesn't,oh well,
not really a big deal as long as he is an imposing
figure.
I get what you are saying as I remember reading Hasbro said there would be no more trailers but take that with a grain
of salt. They can change their minds and decide to
make more Primes with trailers.
Personally if someone wants an MP trailer, buy the Takara one,
plain and simple. While it may cost a couple bucks
at least it exists and anyone who wants one can get it, for now.
Cybertron Prime didn't have one. Oh he was a firetruck-thingy.
didn't need one. I personally don't believe in my heart that
Hasbro will NEVER make another Prime/trailer combo.
Let the anger go my friend, it's just a toy.

skywarp-2 wrote:thanks windcharger, I'm glad you feel that way, thanks

and by the way... awesome sig!!!

Thanks. Found the art on some guys website. Should find out his name and link it. Should be photoshopping it soon to pile on more awesomeness.