The Energon Pub

Edit: i'm changing the title of this thread to something less, it seems to inspire flame responses right off the bat..

since Hasbro has released 2 versions of the MP Optimus Prime, they seemed to have missed the boat when it comes to truly giving us a domestic Prime release that has the actual trailer.. their no trailer policy stinks and really pisses me off, so what I feel as if I'm forced to go buy Takara Merchandise because Hasbro doesn't want to throw in the little extras... the Cab needs a traile rotherwise it sucks as is, and that crappy paper insert of the interior of the trailer provided with the 20th anniversary toy is just a slap in the face, atleast Takara did a rerelease with a dang trailer!!!

There are so many people who will defend Hasbro to a point of unreason... I like Hasbro, but I don't always agree with their policies or designs or ideas when it comes to Transformers..as some of the other people on here do.. ridiculous!!!!

They gave movie Prime big Smoke stacks, but MP version got small ones, is it that hard to do a remold in the softer plastic like the movie, but with silver instead of toy grey that they are so famous for, it seems to me that even with the stacks molded in silver instead of chromium paint, that it'd still work out because it could be theorized that the stacks are dingy from Smoke.. they really need to rerelease the Masterpiece Prime in the good Red colors, bendy stacks in shinny silver molded Plastic, and the Takara Trailer, ina G-1 styled updated Masterpiece Box as a special item for the fans.. otherwise their MP Prime release, no matter how many fans here love it, still comes up short to the MP-04 Complete version...


Prime without his trailer is just not a complete Prime!!! the movie version needs a trailer too!! Somehow I feel as if Hasbro has decided to go all cheapie on us, not trailers for Primes anymore?? WTF!!! Okay so from now on, prime is a Truck, no trailer becasue the trailer is just a base?? Or it's not who Prime is??

Why not, when the Hoopla of the "Animated" toyline dies down (thank god when that day arrives), Hasbro do a Prime toy that Has a Trailer and that Trailer becomes his armor?? I always wondered why Prime Never had armor like Magnus, he had a trailer?? he never used it.. why not get some use out of it..?? the Hasbro no trailer policy, I think still sucks...

Am I wrong that I feel this way?? Does anyone else share my grievence?? Please give me good reasons as to why this policy announced by Hasbro at the 2007 Botcon is a good thing... Cause in all Honesty, is this yet another scaling back to just toy figures??? I don't just want figures, I want extras too!! G-1 Had it, RID had it, Armada Had it, Energon.. but that prime is lackluster without wingsaber, and the cybertron Prime Does Not have a trailer, he's got an extension of his altmode that becomes a back pack!! that is not a trailer.. no matter what anyone says..

Armada Prime and Energon Prime had trailers. US Pepsi Prime and US Reissue Prime had a trailer.

And it is not a policy, it's the cost involved. And who would buy an MP Prime in the US with a trailer for $140, they could barely sell the figure at $50.

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Honestly, man, it's just a trailer.

My opinion of Optimus Prime is not somehow tarnished beyond repair due to the lack of a huge chunk of plastic that would take up a great deal of space and, at best, open up to be a base or maybe could double as some sort of nightclub for other Autobots, complete with a glittering mirrorball hanging from the roof.

It's not like the trailer was such an integral part of Prime in G1; it magically appeared when he transformed into a truck and magically disappeared when he became a robot. So it's not like we cannot identify with Optimus without it.

If you want a trailer, you can get the encore reissue. How many trailers do you need?

I doubt it would sell for that much domestic.

Hell 20th Ann Prime flew off the shelves near me. I think the reason the DVD Prime is mostly still around in because the people that WOULD get this item both the first time and again where turned off by the crappy extras like the (for some reason) blue riffle, and supper s#itty stand with not Prime movie phrases.

Update the product in a GOOD way, and I bet it would sell at around $100 domesticly.

Also, I'm also in a general state of distane over the anouncement of new Primes not having trailers due to cost!?!

Plastic is everywhere, so to me this is a cop out. Lots of toys have a lot more bang at a cheaper rate...

This is just pure shistin' I mean melt down some of those shelf warming Darth Vaders and Luke SkyWalkers, or hell just stop spending money on a line that's not doing anything, and we can go back to full uncut Prime goodness!

GetterDragun wrote:Armada Prime and Energon Prime had trailers. US Pepsi Prime and US Reissue Prime had a trailer.

And it is not a policy, it's the cost involved. And who would buy an MP Prime in the US with a trailer for $140, they could barely sell the figure at $50.

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I don't agree with that crutch, the same people who defend this type of critique always fall back on the price points and the costs incurred on producing a trailer, it's not a valid point, it's over used and just plain tired.. Come on stop using useless and tired defenses for Hasbro.. if they can use the same amount of plastic to do a couple of crummy minicons, then why not melt those crappy ones down and use them for a good reason, like an actual trailer for Prime, that could fit his robot mode and make him better..

That Expense excuse sounds like another "mission accomplished" propaganda speech...it's just too ridiculous to believe..

I see your little cry baby comment and I raise you this:


Cry baby thread pic has no effect one me!! ha ha ah ahahahahah!!


honestly they sell the Prime toy in stores at what 80 bucks in Wal-mart, so if they added a trailer we are looking at what??? an extra 20 bucks?? does it really matter if its 120.00?? I mean the stupid encores online are selling for close to 90.00!! the MP with trailer should see a domestic release..I'm not gonna close up shop and stop collecting because Hasbro isn't doing a trailer, and why all of a sudden people get the impression I'm going off the deep end because I speek my mind and don't by into what Hasbro says they are doing, and the reasons allot of the Same people cite for things not being done.. Price points, and costs, which we all know are BS!!

If you don't think price is important then you probably don't have to worry about money much.

Lots of Primes have trailers. Why can't some NOT have trailers?

I never liked the G1 trailer to start with, so I have no interest in a bigger version. The THS-02 trailer is already a huge improvement. Believe it or not, my favorite trailer is the one for Energon Prime.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:If you don't think price is important then you probably don't have to worry about money much.

Lots of Primes have trailers. Why can't some NOT have trailers?

I don't think Prime always has to have a trailer, but I don't understand why all th ones in the future arew not going to have one??

The trailer your right doesn't take away from prime, but why not add to it?? that's all I'm saying.. why does a trailer need to be lost?? what's next guns? Missiles? what so we just get a toy that transforms, because it's way to costly to do anything else for it??

look, I know it's not an issue to some people, but there was atleast an option there to display prime with his trailer..that option according to Hasbro from the Botcon is now gone..I gues I just like having the option versus being told it's not even a consideration anymore..

skywarp-2 wrote:words

Ok, you say that price point is a weak retaliation, well it's a perfectly good reason. Do you want Hasbro to sell something that won't sell for your selfish needs. And seriously, why do you want Hasbro to sell it anyway, you can get the Takara one? Hasbro knows that most parents aren't gong to buy there kid $140 Transformer.

So I guess this boils down to you as a "collector" wanting a trailer for less money than Takara sells it. So obviously price point is an issue (oh yea, it's funny how you object to Hasbro actually releasing stuff for a collector via BotCon because it costs more). So in actuality this whole argument is based on the fact that you want more for less money. All these arguments end up like this with people making useless claims on how there justification for bitching out Hasbro is for the benefit of the fans. I'm sorry, but I want Hasbro to profit from TFs so they keep making them.

skywarp-2 wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:If you don't think price is important then you probably don't have to worry about money much.

Lots of Primes have trailers. Why can't some NOT have trailers?

I don't think Prime always has to have a trailer, but I don't understand why all th ones in the future arew not going to have one??

The trailer your right doesn't take away from prime, but why not add to it?? that's all I'm saying.. why does a trailer need to be lost?? what's next guns? Missiles? what so we just get a toy that transforms, because it's way to costly to do anything else for it??

All the future ones are not going to have one? Don't you mean, the next Prime that we know of won't have a trailer?

How quickly your forget about RID, Reissue G1 and Powermaster, Armada, Energon, and Cybertron. They all had some sort of trailer attachment. What was wrong with them?

i think you need to calm down dude
honestly, look at the kids of today.
WHAT ARE THEY GOIN TO DO WITH A TRAILER?

It is pointless.
It is too expensive.
Furthermore there are more kids out there than a Transformer Fanbase.

Now, tell me this, are they gonna invest money into a trailer that will cost way too much to make and ride on the fact that only a handful of Transfans will buy it?

HELLLLLLL NOOOOOOO!!!

Their target audience is the kids......not us.
That is why prices on Takara's are a lot more than the US transformers.

The days of when parents would shell out huge bucks for a toy is now gone.

are you trying to tell me that a kid would rather spend $140 on a toy than on an XBOX or PS2. Does that make any logical sense to you.

This forum is pointless and dead. Please delete it.

Like what the other people said, it's just a trailer, which is a small part of Prime's character. It's not like Ultra Magnus' trailer which is a major part of who he is, which is especially hard for me since I'm a big Magnus fan and had to get used to my favorite character being a repaint now rather than being an original character.

GetterDragun wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:words

Ok, you say that price point is a weak retaliation, well it's a perfectly good reason. Do you want Hasbro to sell something that won't sell for your selfish needs. And seriously, why do you want Hasbro to sell it anyway, you can get the Takara one? Hasbro knows that most parents aren't gong to buy there kid $140 Transformer..

I never said this was for the Kiddies, and what Parent do you know went out and bought their kids the 20th anniversary Primes from Wal-Mart at 80 Bucks??

GetterDragun wrote:So I guess this boils down to you as a "collector" wanting a trailer for less money than Takara sells it.

Not quite, the Takara Price is easy enough to stomach it's the Ebay and aftermarket Prices I'm not too keen on...

GetterDragun wrote: So obviously price point is an issue (oh yea, it's funny how you object to Hasbro actually releasing stuff for a collector via BotCon because it costs more).

Actually I like Botcon stuff, I disagreed with hasbro's decision to release the seekers of which i felt should have been a wide releasein classics..and I never was against Hasbro and Botcon, I was however against FunPub's pricey costs for simple repaints of existing toys that sell for 10.00 in stores..

GetterDragun wrote: So in actuality this whole argument is based on the fact that you want more for less money.

doesn't evryone want that?? Is that not a normal Human Reaction??? Are you from Earth or truly from Cybertron??

GetterDragun wrote: All these arguments end up like this with people making useless claims on how there justification for bitching out Hasbro is for the benefit of the fans. I'm sorry, but I want Hasbro to profit from TFs so they keep making them.

Because we all know that Hasbro is extremely Broke and on its last legs and can't produce any toys unless we mindlessly buy and support wiothout any critiques or disagreements with their Business practices as a consumer...

What ever... tired excuses, same old, same old....

What is so wrong with wanting a trailer for Optimus Prime, he's a semi truck right?? Why shouldn't he have a trailer?? Why shouldn't a domestic Masterpiece release be without a trailer?? sell it online for all I care, but Hasbro should do this..and release it in the New Masterpiece style packaging like the Starscream was.. I'd buy it..

GetterDragun wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:If you don't think price is important then you probably don't have to worry about money much.

Lots of Primes have trailers. Why can't some NOT have trailers?

I don't think Prime always has to have a trailer, but I don't understand why all th ones in the future arew not going to have one??

The trailer your right doesn't take away from prime, but why not add to it?? that's all I'm saying.. why does a trailer need to be lost?? what's next guns? Missiles? what so we just get a toy that transforms, because it's way to costly to do anything else for it??

All the future ones are not going to have one? Don't you mean, the next Prime that we know of won't have a trailer?

How quickly your forget about RID, Reissue G1 and Powermaster, Armada, Energon, and Cybertron. They all had some sort of trailer attachment. What was wrong with them?

Getter,

What I'm talking about is a Masterpiece Prime release that has the trailer.. and a future Prime Toy that Has a trailer..

From my understanding Hasbro has said that there will be no more Trailers made for any NEW optimus Prime toys int he future..is that not correct??

Are you collecting Transformers or model cars?

I some how suspect that the majority of collectors display their TF's in robot mode, so something like a trailer seems almost pointless for collecting purposes.

For playing purposes maybe, and that's where Armada/Energon/Cybertron Prime had his trailer.

Now in the case of MP Prime, well ... if you're going to buy that as a collector to display you're probably better off getting the Japanese version anyway. But again, most people would probably leave him in robot mode. Hasbro have probably followed that line of thought as well and seen no purpose in a trailer.

I'm of the opinion that the majority of the market (the demand) has already been supplied. People who wanted the trailer bad enough bought the Japanese or KO versions a while ago.

Chances are, these people will not be willing to by another one, unless it is significantly different. Quite frankly, I don't see what they could do to distinguish it from the Japanese version. It's not like Takara dropped the ball on making it anime accurate or anything.

Even then, all that will happen is that people who want the new trailer will want to get rid of their old trailers. The problem with this is that, who are they going to sell them to? Anyone in the market of a Prime trailer at the time would be buying the Hasbro one.

Just accept that Hasbro will not release a MP Prime trailer. It will NOT happen. 0% probability of success.

What ever... tired excuses, same old, same old....

Dude, you have to be kidding. Hasbro is a company. You know ... those things that exist to make money and earn a profit?

skywarp-2 wrote:I see your little cry baby comment and I raise you this:

Haha man..that made my day. Go Neji.

IMO, skywarp-2 has a point. I don't think cost is a valid reason for not producing a trailer. I mean, if they really were worried that it wouldn't sell, despite so many collectors clamoring for one, they could always make it a store exclusive in limited quantities and watch them fly off the shelf like MP starscream. Although melting mini-cons sounds like a cruel punishment. I like SOME of those little guys (the ones in clear plastic are real nifty)

btw, I don't necessarily want a 20th prime with a trailer, but I see some logic in skywarp-2's argument and don't really think it fair to shrug it off as a cry-baby complaint

mesh wrote:i think you need to calm down dude

Calm down??? What did I do, just get on the 11 o'clock news on top of a Watch tower with a rifle?? I'm simply trying to have a discussion about a grievance I have, not an argument, or get jumped on by a bunch of people for my opinions..come on..

mesh wrote:honestly, look at the kids of today.
WHAT ARE THEY GOIN TO DO WITH A TRAILER?

What is wrong with kids of today, they are no different then we were back in the day??

mesh wrote:It is pointless.
It is too expensive.
Furthermore there are more kids out there than a Transformer Fanbase.

uhhh why is it expensive again?? Do you have some kind of fact sheet from Hasbro that takes into account how much it costs to make one transformer toy??

And if kids make up the market and beat out the fanbase, then why doesn't Hasbro up their products play value with a trailer or extras to maintain loyal toy buyers and inspire kids??

mesh wrote:Now, tell me this, are they going to invest money into a trailer that will cost way too much to make and ride on the fact that only a handful of Transfans will buy it?

HELLLLLLL NOOOOOOO!!!

Again where are you getting your facts from on the expenses it incurs on Hasbro to produce a trailer?? there is a mold already done for the Masterpiece version.. and what about future versions??...

mesh wrote:Their target audience is the kids......not us.
That is why prices on Takara's are a lot more than the US transformers.

uhh, no I always thought Takara Prices were more because of the Import Prices, and online mark ups??

mesh wrote:The days of when parents would shell out huge bucks for a toy is now gone.

so then you must think that Hasbro believes as you do.. Oh wait... didn't they release an Ultimate Bumblebee figure??

mesh wrote:are you trying to tell me that a kid would rather spend $140 on a toy than on an XBOX or PS2. Does that make any logical sense to you.

not really, but what kid has 140 to spend on an Xbox?? Last I checked even teenagers had a hard time getting that kind of dough together..

mesh wrote:This forum is pointless and dead. Please delete it.

that is a seriously awful view, and I hope a doctor can look at that for you.. I have never told anyone here on this forum that their thread is pointless and should be closed.. I respect others opinions, even if you don't respect mine..

toxicity wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:I see your little cry baby comment and I raise you this:

Haha man..that made my day. Go Neji.

IMO, skywarp-2 has a point. I don't think cost is a valid reason for not producing a trailer. I mean, if they really were worried that it wouldn't sell, despite so many collectors clamoring for one, they could always make it a store exclusive in limited quantities and watch them fly off the shelf like MP starscream. Although melting mini-cons sounds like a cruel punishment. I like SOME of those little guys (the ones in clear plastic are real nifty)

btw, I don't necessarily want a 20th prime with a trailer, but I see some logic in skywarp-2's argument and don't really think it fair to shrug it off as a cry-baby complaint

thansk for the support, it's kind of lonely on the bottom of the beating pile...

I don't think hasbro will ever do a 20th Anniversary Trailer release, but I don't think it would have been impossible, and I'm kind upset that any New Priems produced in the future lines won't have a trailer.. I was kinda Hoping for an Ultra Magnus type of Armor for Prime and then I could be totally supportive of an Ultra Magnus Repaint like they always do.. see a traielr wouldn't be soo bad int hat respect now would it??

skywarp-2 wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:words

Ok, you say that price point is a weak retaliation, well it's a perfectly good reason. Do you want Hasbro to sell something that won't sell for your selfish needs. And seriously, why do you want Hasbro to sell it anyway, you can get the Takara one? Hasbro knows that most parents aren't gong to buy there kid $140 Transformer..

I never said this was for the Kiddies, and what Parent do you know went out and bought their kids the 20th anniversary Primes from Wal-Mart at 80 Bucks??

I know that Ultimate Bumblebee has dissapeared after the first holiday shopping weekend. How much was he? Oh yea, 80 bucks. But that is apparently the ceiling for a figures price sold in the US.

skywarp-2 wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:So I guess this boils down to you as a "collector" wanting a trailer for less money than Takara sells it.

Not quite, the Takara Price is easy enough to stomach it's the Ebay and aftermarket Prices I'm not too keen on...

Well, if you wanted to wait a year after it's release, who's fault is that. If you watched the original value of MP-01 and even MP-02, you should have realized, MPs go up!

skywarp-2 wrote:

GetterDragun wrote: So obviously price point is an issue (oh yea, it's funny how you object to Hasbro actually releasing stuff for a collector via BotCon because it costs more).

Actually I like Botcon stuff, I disagreed with hasbro's decision to release the seekers of which i felt should have been a wide releasein classics..and I never was against Hasbro and Botcon, I was however against FunPub's pricey costs for simple repaints of existing toys that sell for 10.00 in stores..

Everyone I met that has one wasn't complaining about the price when they got theirs.

skywarp-2 wrote:

GetterDragun wrote: So in actuality this whole argument is based on the fact that you want more for less money.

doesn't evryone want that?? Is that not a normal Human Reaction??? Are you from Earth or truly from Cybertron??

I'm not against a good deal, but you get what you pay for.

skywarp-2 wrote:

GetterDragun wrote: All these arguments end up like this with people making useless claims on how there justification for bitching out Hasbro is for the benefit of the fans. I'm sorry, but I want Hasbro to profit from TFs so they keep making them.

Because we all know that Hasbro is extremely Broke and on its last legs and can't produce any toys unless we mindlessly buy and support wiothout any critiques or disagreements with their Business practices as a consumer...

What ever... tired excuses, same old, same old....

What is so wrong with wanting a trailer for Optimus Prime, he's a semi truck right?? Why shouldn't he have a trailer?? Why shouldn't a domestic Masterpiece release be without a trailer?? sell it online for all I care, but Hasbro should do this..and release it in the New Masterpiece style packaging like the Starscream was.. I'd buy it..

You simply want Hasbro to release it for no real reason. Why? You got the Takara one. Hasbro shouldn't rerelease a figure for the third time just so they can give it somethimg most people don't even care about. "Wow, I got a giant trailer tha opens and takes up shelf space!"

Now please write a sentence that say "I want a Trailer because..." other than the demand of "Hasbro should release a trailer!". I still don't see why they should.

GetterDragun wrote: You simply want Hasbro to release it for no real reason. Why? You got the Takara one. Hasbro shouldn't rerelease a figure for the third time just so they can give it somethimg most people don't even care about. "Wow, I got a giant trailer tha opens and takes up shelf space!"

Now please write a sentence that say "I want a Trailer because..." other than the demand of "Hasbro should release a trailer!". I still don't see why they should.

it does take up shelf space, your right..but it does look good on display in this mode..Not to mention the Trailer is the Only playset in the entire MP line up..or that Alternators can use it a s a repair bay to play/display with prime.. it's got tons of uses..





let me just say that not all Transformers collectors are part of this or any other site or forum...Huhhhhh Shock!!!

there are allot of collectors who don't even know that they can go online and get these toys from takara Tomy or an online website.. imagine that!!!

I used to be one of those guys, I had other friends of mine who did the same thing.. all we ever did was hang out, go to wal-mart at 3 AM after drinking/sobering up ofcourse and playing video games or hanging out.. we only bought at retail..

we had no clue about the "outside worlds" of online ordering..I didn't until I joined this site.. so to say that everyone out there pretty much has a version with the trailer or that I'm somehow wanting this for a cheaper price just because I missed out on the MP-04, isn't accurate...

I don't deny that i wouldn't want to get the MP-04 in a Hasbro release because it's cheaper.. but like I used to be and others still are, there are many fans who don't order online, who if they saw an MP Prime with Trailer in Wal-mart on a shelf as an exclusive would go nuts and buy it at 120.00, and that even if those same guys had the MP-01/20th anniversary release, without trailer, they would still buy the re-release with trailer, because they never had the option to.. or if they found out, and now are online trying to find the MP-04 it's way too expensive for them to buy..

so yeah I'd like to see it cheaper, but for those who aren't members of a Transformers forum board, god forbid they exist, those people who casually or seriously collect, but have no clue about the outside stuff... they didn't get the option..

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:i think you need to calm down dude

Calm down??? What did I do, just get on the 11 o'clock news on top of a Watch tower with a rifle?? I'm simply trying to have a discussion about a grievance I have, not an argument, or get jumped on by a bunch of people for my opinions..come on..

They're not jumping on you. They are disagreeing with you. It's a subtle, yet important difference.

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:honestly, look at the kids of today.
WHAT ARE THEY GOIN TO DO WITH A TRAILER?

What is wrong with kids of today, they are no different then we were back in the day??

They are a LOT different than we were back in the day. For one thing, they don't spend nearly as much time playing with toys. They prefer video games and internet related activities.

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:It is pointless.
It is too expensive.
Furthermore there are more kids out there than a Transformer Fanbase.

uhhh why is it expensive again?? Do you have some kind of fact sheet from Hasbro that takes into account how much it costs to make one transformer toy??

I do. It's quite expensive. It's not just a box with wheels, you know. It has to have a certain level of detailing (that somebody has to come up with and another person has to sculpt) and functionality. It also uses quite a bit of plastic which, if you've been following oil prices lately, can be considerable. [/quote]

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:Now, tell me this, are they going to invest money into a trailer that will cost way too much to make and ride on the fact that only a handful of Transfans will buy it?

HELLLLLLL NOOOOOOO!!!

Again where are you getting your facts from on the expenses it incurs on Hasbro to produce a trailer?? there is a mold already done for the Masterpiece version.. and what about future versions??...

I don't know about him, but I'm getting mine from Takara. The original MSRP on MP-1 was 10,000 yen. The price for MP-4 (with the trailer) was 18,000 yen. That's 80% added to the price. People have to design and build these things, and few will do it for free. [/quote]

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:Their target audience is the kids......not us.
That is why prices on Takara's are a lot more than the US transformers.

uhh, no I always thought Takara Prices were more because of the Import Prices, and online mark ups??

You thought wrong, then. The selling price for TF Movie Deluxe figures in the US at Toys R Us was around 10 USD. The cost of those same figures here in Japan was 2,200 yen. That's TWICE as much.

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:The days of when parents would shell out huge bucks for a toy is now gone.

so then you must think that Hasbro believes as you do.. Oh wait... didn't they release an Ultimate Bumblebee figure??

Why yes, they DID release an Ultimate Bumblebee figure. And look, it doesn't include a big hollow BOX to drive the price into triple digits, does it?

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:are you trying to tell me that a kid would rather spend $140 on a toy than on an XBOX or PS2. Does that make any logical sense to you.

not really, but what kid has 140 to spend on an Xbox?? Last I checked even teenagers had a hard time getting that kind of dough together..

No major retailer is going to carry a 140 dollar Transformer. Hasbro makes its money selling figures to retailers, not to buyers. If no retailers would support the figure, then there is no profit to be made.

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:i think you need to calm down dude

Calm down??? What did I do, just get on the 11 o'clock news on top of a Watch tower with a rifle?? I'm simply trying to have a discussion about a grievance I have, not an argument, or get jumped on by a bunch of people for my opinions..come on..

They're not jumping on you. They are disagreeing with you. It's a subtle, yet important difference.

I'm sure most of what I've read was disagreements, but there are some seriously demented comments and quotes directed at my opinion, as an attack..

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:honestly, look at the kids of today.
WHAT ARE THEY GOIN TO DO WITH A TRAILER?

What is wrong with kids of today, they are no different then we were back in the day??

They are a LOT different than we were back in the day. For one thing, they don't spend nearly as much time playing with toys. They prefer video games and internet related activities.

Have you looked into the Housing Markets, the forclosure rates, the economy and the declines in Video game sales..toys are still as viable as they were in the 80s..

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:It is pointless.
It is too expensive.
Furthermore there are more kids out there than a Transformer Fanbase.

uhhh why is it expensive again?? Do you have some kind of fact sheet from Hasbro that takes into account how much it costs to make one transformer toy??

I do. It's quite expensive. It's not just a box with wheels, you know. It has to have a certain level of detailing (that somebody has to come up with and another person has to sculpt) and functionality. It also uses quite a bit of plastic which, if you've been following oil prices lately, can be considerable.

What does Oil have to do with plastic?? and post your sheet with the costs of what it is to produce a trailer..

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:Now, tell me this, are they going to invest money into a trailer that will cost way too much to make and ride on the fact that only a handful of Transfans will buy it?

HELLLLLLL NOOOOOOO!!!

Again where are you getting your facts from on the expenses it incurs on Hasbro to produce a trailer?? there is a mold already done for the Masterpiece version.. and what about future versions??...

I don't know about him, but I'm getting mine from Takara. The original MSRP on MP-1 was 10,000 yen. The price for MP-4 (with the trailer) was 18,000 yen. That's 80% added to the price. People have to design and build these things, and few will do it for free.

and as far as the Mark ups..it was the only one ever done..so there isn't a rerelease to knock that price down..what online store are you basing the yen amount off of anyways?? is that srp or Msrp, because there is a difference..in a large corporation like Hasbro, do you really think someone gets paid per toy, per job?? or do they design a bunch of toys and get a paycheck each month or 2 weeks?? that arguement of production costs is so old... seriously..

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:Their target audience is the kids......not us.
That is why prices on Takara's are a lot more than the US transformers.

uhh, no I always thought Takara Prices were more because of the Import Prices, and online mark ups??

You thought wrong, then. The selling price for TF Movie Deluxe figures in the US at Toys R Us was around 10 USD. The cost of those same figures here in Japan was 2,200 yen. That's TWICE as much.

Ummm aren't those movie toys produced by Hasbro?? so the mark up in Japan, it's like importing a Takara toy here isn't it??? just in reverse.. I don't follow your reasoning here..

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:The days of when parents would shell out huge bucks for a toy is now gone.

so then you must think that Hasbro believes as you do.. Oh wait... didn't they release an Ultimate Bumblebee figure??

Why yes, they DID release an Ultimate Bumblebee figure. And look, it doesn't include a big hollow BOX to drive the price into triple digits, does it?

yeah but it's got alot of needless transformations and crummy robotics.. besides what did Optimus Prime's trailer ever do to you??

Professor Smooth wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

mesh wrote:are you trying to tell me that a kid would rather spend $140 on a toy than on an XBOX or PS2. Does that make any logical sense to you.

not really, but what kid has 140 to spend on an Xbox?? Last I checked even teenagers had a hard time getting that kind of dough together..

No major retailer is going to carry a 140 dollar Transformer. Hasbro makes its money selling figures to retailers, not to buyers. If no retailers would support the figure, then there is no profit to be made.

so basically they wouldn't sell a product that retails every where else for 140.00 or more already by Takara's Masterpiece releases, on online websites, Amazon.com, ect.. because its a Hasbro release???

Versus the Takara ones online right now??? What?? I don't understand your reasoning again?? If Takara Can manufacture a toy that's 150.00 dollars and sell it to online retailers, then why can't Hasbro???

skywarp-2 wrote:
What does Oil have to do with plastic??

Bravo, sir. Bravo.

Next time Skywarp-2 makes you upset with his rambling and persecution complex, just think of this line and remember that he's not worth it.