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News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:02 pm

As a reminder:

Main retail line

Wave 1
Deluxe Solus Prime
Deluxe Air Raid
Deluxe Fireflight
Deluxe Animated Wasp
Voyager Prima
Voyager Armada Red Alert
Leader The Fallen
Leader G2 Grimlock

Wave 2
Deluxe Alchemist Prime
Deluxe Crasher PR
Deluxe Vortex
Deluxe Micronus
Voyager Rescue Bots Heatwave
Voyager RID2001 Sky-Byte
Leader Onyx Prime

Wave 3
Deluxe Venom
Deluxe Slingshot
Deluxe Skydive
Voyager Flatline
Voyager Alpha Trion

Exclusives

Amazon: Wreckers VS Mayhem-themed capsule
Spinister VS Topspin
Ironfist VS Carnivac

Walmart: Cybertron-themed capsule
Deluxe Sideways
Deluxe Excellion
Voyager Skywarp
2 Unknown Deluxes
1 Unknown Leader

Hasbro PulseCon
Hearts of Steel-themed exclusive

San Diego Comic Con
Skybound-themed Jetfire with Void Rivals

News Credits: 12 · by **Razorbeast88** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:26 pm

Sabrblade wrote:As a reminder:

Main retail line

Wave 1
Deluxe Solus Prime
Deluxe Air Raid
Deluxe Fireflight
Deluxe Animated Wasp
Voyager Prima
Voyager Armada Red Alert
Leader The Fallen
Leader G2 Grimlock

Wave 2
Deluxe Alchemist Prime
Deluxe Crasher PR
Deluxe Vortex
Deluxe Micronus
Voyager Rescue Bots Heatwave
Voyager RID2001 Sky-Byte
Leader Onyx Prime

Wave 3
Deluxe Venom
Deluxe Slingshot
Deluxe Skydive
Voyager Flatline
Voyager Alpha Trion

Exclusives

Amazon: Wreckers VS Mayhem-themed capsule
Spinister VS Topspin
Ironfist VS Carnivac

Walmart: Cybertron-themed capsule
Deluxe Sideways
Deluxe Excellion
Voyager Skywarp
2 Unknown Deluxes
1 Unknown Leader

Hasbro PulseCon
Hearts of Steel-themed exclusive

San Diego Comic Con
Skybound-themed Jetfire with Void Rivals

Much appreciated!

News Credits: 12 · by **Razorbeast88** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:30 pm

I wonder if Heatwave will be a remolded Bulkhead or his own mold

And if the fallen will look like dreamwave version or aligned or some sort of combo

I'm also curious if flatline would be a remold of red alert

And if onyx Prime would be a centaur or not

And im wondering if Alpha Trion would be off of the Scourge mold like before or off of the thundertron mold or something

Ironfist v carnivac will be one of the cases where I actually want both and not just one

And I hope hearts of steel exclusives go on enough to get a Shockwave and maybe the seekers

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:24 pm

Razorbeast88 wrote:I wonder if Heatwave will be a remolded Bulkhead or his own mold

I think that despite being Rescue Bots he's going to have more in common with his Fun Publications namesake for future use so we can have Nexus Prime later.

And if the fallen will look like dreamwave version or aligned or some sort of combo

They were talking about the Dreamwave version at Pulse Con.

I'm also curious if flatline would be a remold of red alert

Could be, but could also be your Bulkhead repaint/retool if they base him on the Transformers Universe game version, he'd technically still be Prime universe, too.

And if onyx Prime would be a centaur or not

I'm hoping not, but only because I want him to be a pre-tool for Prime Predaking.

And im wondering if Alpha Trion would be off of the Scourge mold like before or off of the thundertron mold or something

It's not a package refresh so it's probably not based on Scourge. Kinda expecting him to be a Thundertron repaint, even if that makes more sense for that mold to be Alpha Trizer.

Emerje

by **#1 Signal Lancer fan** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:28 pm

Sabrblade wrote:Walmart: Cybertron-themed capsule
Deluxe Sideways
Deluxe Excellion
Voyager Skywarp
2 Unknown Deluxes
1 Unknown Leader

Even though it says Cybertron-themed capsule, I wonder if this will be Armada Sideways.

Excellion and Skywarp are both obvious repaints/remolds, but Cybertron Sideways doesn't have a clear repaint source that I can think of (unless he's based on one of the other toys from this line).

On the other hand, Armada Sideways could be a remold of the Prowl/Chromia mold

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:35 pm

#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Walmart: Cybertron-themed capsule
Deluxe Sideways
Deluxe Excellion
Voyager Skywarp
2 Unknown Deluxes
1 Unknown Leader

Even though it says Cybertron-themed capsule, I wonder if this will be Armada Sideways.

It's Cybertron Sideways. The original leak was explicit on that.

by **#1 Signal Lancer fan** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:23 pm

Sabrblade wrote:]It's Cybertron Sideways. The original leak was explicit on that.

Interesting. Given that, I'm guessing he'll be a remold of the Studio Series Scourge/Legacy Senator Ratbat mold, but he could also end up being based on a new mold from the Age of the Primes line.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 4:27 pm

#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:]It's Cybertron Sideways. The original leak was explicit on that.

Interesting. Given that, I'm guessing he'll be a remold of the Studio Series Scourge/Legacy Senator Ratbat mold, but he could also end up being based on a new mold from the Age of the Primes line.

Studio Series 86 Scourge is a Voyager, not a Deluxe. I can't really see which Deluxe can be used for him tho... :-?

And bring on Ramjet! :PRAY:

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 4:34 pm

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:]It's Cybertron Sideways. The original leak was explicit on that.

Interesting. Given that, I'm guessing he'll be a remold of the Studio Series Scourge/Legacy Senator Ratbat mold, but he could also end up being based on a new mold from the Age of the Primes line.

Studio Series 86 Scourge is a Voyager, not a Deluxe. I can't really see which Deluxe can be used for him tho...

And bring on Ramjet!

Maybe he'll be like how Velocitron Override and Cosmos were and be a surprise new mold.

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:13 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Walmart: Cybertron-themed capsule
Deluxe Sideways
Deluxe Excellion
Voyager Skywarp
2 Unknown Deluxes
1 Unknown Leader

Even though it says Cybertron-themed capsule, I wonder if this will be Armada Sideways.
It's Cybertron Sideways. The original leak was explicit on that.

Personally expecting him to be a heavily retooled United Windblade.

We'll probably also see Deluxe First Aid from Cannonball here as one of the Deluxe mystery figures.

I would not complain if we got a heavily retooled (mostly just a reshell with a BFG) of Earthrise Arcee as Thunderblast.

That Leader really needs to be Galaxy Force Optimus Prime (Siege Galaxy Upgrade Prime in black and red).

I know Skywarp is going to be a United Starscream repaint, but I would love to see the Earthrise Seeker mold in bright purple and white (and gray and blue Thundercracker colors).

Emerje

News Credits: 9 · by **Sowndwave76** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:18 pm

Is it known if G2 Grimlock is a re-release of the yellow version that was exclusive to Walmart? I'm assuming it's not, but with so many re-releases (including a few which were originally exclusives), I wouldn't be shocked if it is.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:26 pm

Sowndwave76 wrote:Is it known if G2 Grimlock is a re-release of the yellow version that was exclusive to Walmart? I'm assuming it's not, but with so many re-releases (including a few which were originally exclusives), I wouldn't be shocked if it is.

The current running thought is that it will be a blue Grimlock.

News Credits: 9 · by **Sowndwave76** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:41 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Sowndwave76 wrote:Is it known if G2 Grimlock is a re-release of the yellow version that was exclusive to Walmart? I'm assuming it's not, but with so many re-releases (including a few which were originally exclusives), I wouldn't be shocked if it is.
The current running thought is that it will be a blue Grimlock.

Thanks.
That's what I'm hoping for. Although that figure isn't on my "Want" list, if it's a blue or dark teal version, it will be very tempting.
Especially thinking that G2 versions for the others would then be more likely, and the only re-use of those molds that is realistic.

News Credits: 48 · by **Nemesis Primal** » Wed Sep 18, 2024 2:32 am

I've seen some people speculating that maybe Solus Prime will in some way be a Sideways pretool, since no other mold we currently have would really work without heavy retooling, she's early enough in the year that her mold should be available, and Solus is arguably the most blank-slate of the Primes we're confirmed getting in Deluxe class design-wise.

Sabrblade wrote:As a reminder:

Wave 3
Deluxe Venom
Deluxe Slingshot
Deluxe Skydive
Voyager Flatline
Voyager Alpha Trion

As an additional reminder, there's a non-zero chance that this wave also contains Deluxe Swindle, the update we got with the Vortex listing was that Swindle got pushed "to a later wave" but no clarification was given as to if that meant Wave 3 or a 2026 wave.

Razorbeast88 wrote:And if onyx Prime would be a centaur or not

The original leak that confirmed all the exclusives specified "centaur form Onyx Prime", no confirmation currently if that means he only has a centaur form or if he can switch between four and two legs in some way.

Emerje wrote:
Razorbeast88 wrote:I wonder if Heatwave will be a remolded Bulkhead or his own mold

I think that despite being Rescue Bots he's going to have more in common with his Fun Publications namesake for future use so we can have Nexus Prime later.

Considering RB Heatwave and SG Heatwave share no design features other than "is a variety of truck" and "has a visor (sometimes)", and factoring in the current pattern of "Combiner torso = Commander Class", I could not doubt this more. If we are indeed going Fun Pub for Nexus then his torso's definitely gonna be a retool of the all-but-assured future Onslaught.

by **#1 Signal Lancer fan** » Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:53 am

Emerje wrote:That Leader really needs to be Galaxy Force Optimus Prime (Siege Galaxy Upgrade Prime in black and red).

I could also see the leader being Megatron given that we have an Armada and Energon Megatron in Legacy but no Cybertron/Galaxy Force Megatron. A retool of Studio Series leader class Springer could work pretty well.

News Credits: 4838 · by **william-james88** » Fri Sep 27, 2024 9:33 pm

Thanks to JTPrime17, we now have confirmation on who the 2025 Age of the Primes commander and titan class figure will be. The commander will be G1 Silverbolt and the titan will be no other than Star Convoy. Below are the product numbers proving their existence, followed by a list of exclusives from Walmart and Target for 2025. We also posted the long list of other Age of the Primes toyline figures we know about if you wanted a quick recap.

Age of the Primes:
Tra Gen Prime Commander G1 Silverbolt
Product Number: G0752

Tra Gen Prime Titan Star Optimus Prime
Product Number: G0470

Fan Channel:
Tra Gen Selects G2 Dinobots
Product Number: G1375

Walmart:
Tra Gen retro Inspired Dlx Seaspray
Product Number: G1382

Tra Gen retro Inspired Dlx Brawn
Product Number: G1384

Target:
Tra Gen Bullseye SS Voy WFC Optimus Variant
Product Number: G1789

Tra Gen Bullseye SS Voy WFC Megatron Variant
Product Number: G1790

Tra Gen Bullseye SS Dev Dlx Sideswipe
Product Number: G1791

Tra Gen Bullseye SS Dev Dlx Wheeljack
Product Number: G1792

Sabrblade wrote:As a reminder:

Main retail line

Wave 1
Deluxe Solus Prime
Deluxe Air Raid
Deluxe Fireflight
Deluxe Animated Wasp
Voyager Prima
Voyager Armada Red Alert
Leader The Fallen
Leader G2 Grimlock

Wave 2
Deluxe Alchemist Prime
Deluxe Crasher PR
Deluxe Vortex
Deluxe Micronus
Voyager Rescue Bots Heatwave
Voyager RID2001 Sky-Byte
Leader Onyx Prime

Wave 3
Deluxe Venom
Deluxe Slingshot
Deluxe Skydive
Voyager Flatline
Voyager Alpha Trion

Exclusives

Amazon: Wreckers VS Mayhem-themed capsule
Spinister VS Topspin
Ironfist VS Carnivac

Walmart: Cybertron-themed capsule
Deluxe Sideways
Deluxe Excellion
Voyager Skywarp
2 Unknown Deluxes
1 Unknown Leader

Hasbro PulseCon
Hearts of Steel-themed exclusive

San Diego Comic Con
Skybound-themed Jetfire with Void Rivals

News Credits: 387 · by **Bounti76** » Fri Sep 27, 2024 9:59 pm

Pass for me on Star Convoy, since I never cared to pick up the previous release.

My bigger question is the Retro Inspired Brawn and Seaspray.... unless they're giving Brawn a toy head and claw hands, I can't imagine how else they'd make him more retro than his SS release. And if we get another minibot/Seaspray that's exclusive to Walmart which is also short packed.... :BOOM:

No one needs the Cosmos fiasco redone.

News Credits: 331 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Fri Sep 27, 2024 10:04 pm

Star Convoy as a Titan? I don't get it.

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Fri Sep 27, 2024 10:41 pm

So Silverbolt will be done the same way Motormaster was. I wonder if we'll get a leader class Concorde with all the combined accessories, or if it will be Silverbolt turning into a complete skeleton for the deluxe limbs

News Credits: 1 · by **Bumblevivisector** » Fri Sep 27, 2024 10:48 pm

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Star Convoy as a Titan? I don't get it.

Someone who knows Japanese G1 better than I do will surely correct me on part of this, but it's the scale issues posed by the Micromaster Hot Rod that came with the original. Micromasters were explained as being smaller than normal TFs in most media, albeit for different reasons on opposite sides of the Pacific. But that Hot Rod toy begged the question of whether Rod downsized, or Op came back really big, and he, Sky Garry and Grandus were serving as bases/transports for normal sized TFs, which the Micromasters were now representing, but with all toys now being smaller scale.

IDK which theory Battlstars Return of Convoy backs up because I haven't read the Manga yet, but it seems HasTak might have gone with the smaller-scale theory because they're running out of ideas for Titans, and this next Titan allows for G1 Star Convoy's play pattern with the majority of Generations scale toys, without revisiting Micromasters again so soon after Earthrise.

Just my hunch. Sky Garry was depicted as being that big in the BotCon Wreckers story where Daniel and Wheelie died, so there's at least one precedent for it in U.S. fiction off the top of my head.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Sep 28, 2024 12:36 am

Bumblevivisector wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Star Convoy as a Titan? I don't get it.
Someone who knows Japanese G1 better than I do will surely correct me on part of this, but it's the scale issues posed by the Micromaster Hot Rod that came with the original. Micromasters were explained as being smaller than normal TFs in most media, albeit for different reasons on opposite sides of the Pacific. But that Hot Rod toy begged the question of whether Rod downsized, or Op came back really big, and he, Sky Garry and Grandus were serving as bases/transports for normal sized TFs, which the Micromasters were now representing, but with all toys now being smaller scale.

IDK which theory Battlstars Return of Convoy backs up because I haven't read the Manga yet, but it seems HasTak might have gone with the smaller-scale theory because they're running out of ideas for Titans, and this next Titan allows for G1 Star Convoy's play pattern with the majority of Generations scale toys, without revisiting Micromasters again so soon after Earthrise.

Just my hunch. Sky Garry was depicted as being that big in the BotCon Wreckers story where Daniel and Wheelie died, so there's at least one precedent for it in U.S. fiction off the top of my head.

Star Convoy is indeed supposed to be a big guy, but more specifically he's supposed to be around Combiner size, not Cityformer size. The height of Siege Jetfire would have been perfect for him.

Micromasters are indeed smaller-than-average Transformers, in nearly all of their fictional appearances on both sides of the Pacific. In Japan, they're even called "Micro Transformers", emphasizing their small stature. Hot Rod did downsize when he became one, too.

My only hope for this Star Convoy is that it's less of an actual Titan and more of a "Titan class in name only", as in a Commander class-sized figure but made with the budget of a Titan.

News Credits: 1 · by **Bumblevivisector** » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:49 am

Sabrblade wrote:Micromasters are indeed smaller-than-average Transformers, in nearly all of their fictional appearances on both sides of the Pacific. In Japan, they're even called "Micro Transformers", emphasizing their small stature. Hot Rod did downsize when he became one, too.

Was he the only one to do that in Japanese continuity? I meant to emphasize that they had different origins in J vs. U.S. fiction, since I thought the idea was they fled Cybertron the same time as the guys who ended up on Planet Master, but retained their original transformations instead of adapting to combine with transtectors, whereas Marvel Micromasters all downsized, then Dreamwave sort of homaged the difference by having just a handful being downsized after the Ark and Nemesis disappeared before subsequently serving as templates for the dozens of new Micromasters brought to life.

Sabrblade wrote:My only hope for this Star Convoy is that it's less of an actual Titan and more of a "Titan class in name only", as in a Commander class-sized figure but made with the budget of a Titan.

Another possibility just dawned on me: maybe this listing's misleading and the "Titan" is SC + Sky Garry and Grandus, and their vehicle gestalt (Battlestar Attacker? Did it never have a name like Big Powered?) is Titan-size! That would be awesome, and possibly the only way the latter 2 ever get a proper update.

I still like the idea of a titan-class Star Convoy that treats G1 bulks like Micromasters though. Sure there was no other way to do the Micromasters, but it always bugged the slag outta' me that they had Earth-vehicle alts despite being so small that it wasn't an effective disguise. Yes, they all mass-shifted to full-grown vehicles in vintage G1 fiction, but that obviously did NOT translate at all to any play pattern involving their toys. I had most of the 1989 lineup back in the day, but once I got the stations and half the bases, as much fun as I could have with more elaborate smaller scale battles, I just never found myself working older TFs into them. It would do my heart good if this turns out to be an idea born of fans turned designers that were just as frustrated by that fiction/toy disconnect, and decided that Star Convoy would be cooler if he'd just been huge enough to dwarf other Transformers down to micro-scale.

But again, I'm actually hoping more for a new Battlestars giftset passed off a Titan now!

News Credits: 331 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:49 am

Sabrblade wrote:
Bumblevivisector wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Star Convoy as a Titan? I don't get it.
Someone who knows Japanese G1 better than I do will surely correct me on part of this, but it's the scale issues posed by the Micromaster Hot Rod that came with the original. Micromasters were explained as being smaller than normal TFs in most media, albeit for different reasons on opposite sides of the Pacific. But that Hot Rod toy begged the question of whether Rod downsized, or Op came back really big, and he, Sky Garry and Grandus were serving as bases/transports for normal sized TFs, which the Micromasters were now representing, but with all toys now being smaller scale.

IDK which theory Battlstars Return of Convoy backs up because I haven't read the Manga yet, but it seems HasTak might have gone with the smaller-scale theory because they're running out of ideas for Titans, and this next Titan allows for G1 Star Convoy's play pattern with the majority of Generations scale toys, without revisiting Micromasters again so soon after Earthrise.

Just my hunch. Sky Garry was depicted as being that big in the BotCon Wreckers story where Daniel and Wheelie died, so there's at least one precedent for it in U.S. fiction off the top of my head.
Star Convoy is indeed supposed to be a big guy, but more specifically he's supposed to be around Combiner size, not Cityformer size. The height of Siege Jetfire would have been perfect for him.

Micromasters are indeed smaller-than-average Transformers, in nearly all of their fictional appearances on both sides of the Pacific. In Japan, they're even called "Micro Transformers", emphasizing their small stature. Hot Rod did downsize when he became one, too.

My only hope for this Star Convoy is that it's less of an actual Titan and more of a "Titan class in name only", as in a Commander class-sized figure but made with the budget of a Titan.

If it's Commander Class sized then I want to only pay the Commander Class price point. If it's going to be at the Titan Class price then I want a BIG Optimus Prime. I want a Prime that's over compensating.

News Credits: 19 · by **blackeyedprime** » Sat Sep 28, 2024 4:22 am

Hopefully they can make star convoy better than the g1 toy, if not then there is no point much like their last effort. Looks like I'll be picking more bots up than the legends or SS series. Seaspray seems pointless but I might be tempted to get him.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:35 am

Bumblevivisector wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Micromasters are indeed smaller-than-average Transformers, in nearly all of their fictional appearances on both sides of the Pacific. In Japan, they're even called "Micro Transformers", emphasizing their small stature. Hot Rod did downsize when he became one, too.

Was he the only one to do that in Japanese continuity? I meant to emphasize that they had different origins in J vs. U.S. fiction, since I thought the idea was they fled Cybertron the same time as the guys who ended up on Planet Master, but retained their original transformations instead of adapting to combine with transtectors, whereas Marvel Micromasters all downsized, then Dreamwave sort of homaged the difference by having just a handful being downsized after the Ark and Nemesis disappeared before subsequently serving as templates for the dozens of new Micromasters brought to life.

It would seem Hot Rod was indeed the only one, yes. The rest, as you say, were naturally small.

Bumblevivisector wrote:and their vehicle gestalt (Battlestar Attacker? Did it never have a name like Big Powered?)

*wavy hand gesture* Kinda. "Battlestar Attack" seems to be more the name of the combined form's laserfire attack, but the form itself is kinda not a true combiner as much as it is just Star Convoy towing Grandus while Sky Garry rests on top, like Armada Optimus towing Overload with Jetfire sitting on top.

Bumblevivisector wrote:I still like the idea of a titan-class Star Convoy that treats G1 bulks like Micromasters though. Sure there was no other way to do the Micromasters, but it always bugged the slag outta' me that they had Earth-vehicle alts despite being so small that it wasn't an effective disguise. Yes, they all mass-shifted to full-grown vehicles in vintage G1 fiction, but that obviously did NOT translate at all to any play pattern involving their toys.

By that point in the toyline, "disguise" was no longer the point (and, well, the Transformers were kinda universal knowledge by then in both English and Japanese fiction, so they had no need to hide themselves anymore).

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