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Spike wrote:

Jesus Prime wrote:The meaning of any lifeform's existence is to procreate and further the species. No amount of say-so is going to make people's instincts change.

That sure as hell isn't my meaning for existence.

Maybe not, but it's humanity's.

Moonbase2 wrote: Most of us lost our virginity as teenagers. Hell, I was 16, and I was a "good kid".

I'll probably be 40 knowing my luck. (21 now)

tequila stu wrote:

Moonbase2 wrote: Most of us lost our virginity as teenagers. Hell, I was 16, and I was a "good kid".

I'll probably be 40 knowing my luck. (21 now)

You're not exactly a super-late bloomer. Lots of folks don't lose it til their 20s. I have known a few myself. Some don't lose it til then, then have a zillion partners, like one friend I had. That was...odd.

Eh, screw having kids. I'm 19, And I totally don't see marriage or kids in my near future. I don't see the point in marriage or kids either, but that's just me. I guess maybe because I take the teachings of Al Bundy too seriously, I dunno. Anyways, wasn't this topic something to do with kids and stolen cars or something?

Jesus Prime wrote:The meaning of any lifeform's existence is to procreate and further the species. No amount of say-so is going to make people's instincts change.

That's what separates us from the animals. We can actually think, and not just act on our instincts. Birth control is fine, but putting some abstinence in there isn't a bad idea. For any number of reasons, religious possibly being one of them.

I'm not religious, and therefore don't want my children being taught abstinence for religious purposes. Period. I want them to know the truth about sex and the diseases you risk catching when you have it. Then I want them to learn how to prevent them and to not get a girl pregnant. Why? Because they ARE going to have sex if a girl agrees. It is that simple. They are red-blooded males and they will want sex when their little brains tell them it's time to start having it. I can say, "don't have sex. It causes herpes and babies" all I want, and yet they will still have sex. Even if I sent them away to teenager anti-sex bible camp, they will STILL WANT SEX. The more you repress a teenager, the more they'll rebel!

Moonbase2 wrote:I'm not religious, and therefore don't want my children being taught abstinence for religious purposes. Period. I want them to know the truth about sex and the diseases you risk catching when you have it. Then I want them to learn how to prevent them and to not get a girl pregnant. Why? Because they ARE going to have sex if a girl agrees. It is that simple. They are red-blooded males and they will want sex when their little brains tell them it's time to start having it. I can say, "don't have sex. It causes herpes and babies" all I want, and yet they will still have sex. Even if I sent them away to teenager anti-sex bible camp, they will STILL WANT SEX. The more you repress a teenager, the more they'll rebel!

Believe it or not, I was a teenage boy once. So I know what it's like. And it is possible to refrain from having sex while still being a teenage boy. Probably not possible to not want sex, but it is possible to control yourself.
And I believe I said I didn't have a problem with birth control. Just that teaching abstinence is not a bad thing. It's a great way to not get a girl pregnant. Foolproof, actually.
I am religious. If I feel like teaching my children about abstinence for religious reasons, I will. I was not advocating that the school systems do it. God forbid they mention any religion that isn't Islam.
Is teaching abstinence 'repressing' a teenager? Cause that kind of sounds like you advocate teenagers having sex.

Believe it or not, I was a teenage boy once. So I know what it's like. And it is possible to refrain from having sex while still being a teenage boy. Probably not possible to not want sex, but it is possible to control yourself.
And I believe I said I didn't have a problem with birth control. Just that teaching abstinence is not a bad thing. It's a great way to not get a girl pregnant. Foolproof, actually.
I am religious. If I feel like teaching my children about abstinence for religious reasons, I will. I was not advocating that the school systems do it. God forbid they mention any religion that isn't Islam.
Is teaching abstinence 'repressing' a teenager? Cause that kind of sounds like you advocate teenagers having sex.[/quote]

I don't think religion of any kind should be taught or incorporated into teachings in school. Not everybody is religious and they may not want their children being taught in that manner. My experiences with religion are so horrible that I will never force it upon my child. And neither will anyone else. School is no place for religious doctrine; if I want my children exposed to it I'll go to church. I don't want my kids taught anything Islam, Semitic, Christian, nada. That is not for SCHOOL. Now, learning the HISTORY of religions is ok. I just don't want my kids taught a religion for TRUTH.

As for sex, no, I don't think teenagers should have sex. It's a stupid idea. However, they do. Always will. Just like I think it's a stupid idea for coworkers to sleep together, it happens anyway sometimes. It's the natural way of things when boys and girls are around each other. Now, since we have higher brain functions, we need a little common sense. That is why we created birth control-- poor people and teenagers will keep on having sex, because abstinence programs don't work and are a waste of taxpayer money, and it makes sense to have BC available to those who may need it. Using a condom is an easy way to prevent many STDs. Much easier than resisting natural urges to have sex.

That you are wrong, my friend. I for one am one of those good people who thinks having sex at a young age is ridiculous. I mean, what is wrong with having sex after marriage? Having sex means to make a commitment to someone you really love, and if that is so, you would not want to hurt that person, now would you? So let us say that you had sex with your love, you/she get/s pregnant, either he or you would need to bear the responsibility, and if you are the one who is pregnant, imagine how the guy would suffer by bearing all that responsibilities.

Kudomus Prime wrote:That you are wrong, my friend. I for one am one of those good people who thinks having sex at a young age is ridiculous. I mean, what is wrong with having sex after marriage? Having sex means to make a commitment to someone you really love, and if that is so, you would not want to hurt that person, now would you? So let us say that you had sex with your love, you/she get/s pregnant, either he or you would need to bear the responsibility, and if you are the one who is pregnant, imagine how the guy would suffer by bearing all that responsibilities.

age and maturity are synonomous, you can be a responsible teenager, and an irresponsible adult

sometimes having sex is just fun, someties it's an expression of love, neither of those require a marriage certificate, and damn well going to love someone BEFORE i marry them. marriage is a big deal to me, i want to make sure i do it with right person, and that requires total honesty and knowing them as well as possible, and that does mean having sexual intimacy prior to marriage(after all i wouldn't want to marry someone who upon sexual awakening wanted to peg me.)

i had sex as a teenager, i didn't get one girl pregnant, i didn't catch a single STI. however i did have rather intresting chat with my dad at the time, who in his mid forties got his girlfriend pregnant.

my mum gave me condoms, and expressly told me not to make her a grandmother, she gave my sister condoms, and got her on the hormonal stick injection thing that gves 3 months of infertility, 10 years later, mother still doesn't have any grandchildren, and i've never caught anything except a cold off a lover.

there is a difference between having sex, and having babies, and aslong as you can tell the difference it's ok.

Tammuz wrote:there is a difference between having sex, and having babies, and aslong as you can tell the difference it's ok.

Yeah, but having sex can sometimes make you feel that you have done a very wrong thing, even though in the end, the consequence will not be there. It is just a very sensetive topic and should not be taken lightly just because you use condoms.

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:there is a difference between having sex, and having babies, and aslong as you can tell the difference it's ok.

Yeah, but having sex can sometimes make you feel that you have done a very wrong thing, even though in the end, the consequence will not be there. It is just a very sensetive topic and should not be taken lightly just because you use condoms.

why would you feel guilty about expressing love?

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:there is a difference between having sex, and having babies, and aslong as you can tell the difference it's ok.

Yeah, but having sex can sometimes make you feel that you have done a very wrong thing, even though in the end, the consequence will not be there. It is just a very sensetive topic and should not be taken lightly just because you use condoms.

why would you feel guilty about expressing love?

It is a feeling you get, but that does not necessary mean you have done something wrong, it is just a weird type of reaction some people gets.

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:there is a difference between having sex, and having babies, and aslong as you can tell the difference it's ok.

Yeah, but having sex can sometimes make you feel that you have done a very wrong thing, even though in the end, the consequence will not be there. It is just a very sensetive topic and should not be taken lightly just because you use condoms.

why would you feel guilty about expressing love?

It is a feeling you get, but that does not necessary mean you have done something wrong, it is just a weird type of reaction some people gets.

that's like saying we should ban plants becuase some people get hay fever!

perhaps you feel guilty becuase of your beleifs rather than sex.

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:there is a difference between having sex, and having babies, and aslong as you can tell the difference it's ok.

Yeah, but having sex can sometimes make you feel that you have done a very wrong thing, even though in the end, the consequence will not be there. It is just a very sensetive topic and should not be taken lightly just because you use condoms.

why would you feel guilty about expressing love?

It is a feeling you get, but that does not necessary mean you have done something wrong, it is just a weird type of reaction some people gets.

that's like saying we should ban plants becuase some people get hay fever!

perhaps you feel guilty becuase of your beleifs rather than sex.

You got it all wrong. I did not say having sex is wrong, I said having sex gives some people a weird type of feeling. Get it through your head.

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:there is a difference between having sex, and having babies, and aslong as you can tell the difference it's ok.

Yeah, but having sex can sometimes make you feel that you have done a very wrong thing, even though in the end, the consequence will not be there. It is just a very sensetive topic and should not be taken lightly just because you use condoms.

why would you feel guilty about expressing love?

It is a feeling you get, but that does not necessary mean you have done something wrong, it is just a weird type of reaction some people gets.

that's like saying we should ban plants becuase some people get hay fever!

perhaps you feel guilty becuase of your beleifs rather than sex.

You got it all wrong. I did not say having sex is wrong, I said having sex gives some people a weird type of feeling. Get it through your head.

didn't you earlier advocate abstinence?

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:there is a difference between having sex, and having babies, and aslong as you can tell the difference it's ok.

Yeah, but having sex can sometimes make you feel that you have done a very wrong thing, even though in the end, the consequence will not be there. It is just a very sensetive topic and should not be taken lightly just because you use condoms.

why would you feel guilty about expressing love?

It is a feeling you get, but that does not necessary mean you have done something wrong, it is just a weird type of reaction some people gets.

that's like saying we should ban plants becuase some people get hay fever!

perhaps you feel guilty becuase of your beleifs rather than sex.

You got it all wrong. I did not say having sex is wrong, I said having sex gives some people a weird type of feeling. Get it through your head.

didn't you earlier advocate abstinence?

No, I was saying that it would be better if you have sex after marriage, but I did not say that having sex would be a criminal act. It might seem okay to you, but it does not to some sensitive people, like religions, for example.

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:

Kudomus Prime wrote:

Tammuz wrote:there is a difference between having sex, and having babies, and aslong as you can tell the difference it's ok.

Yeah, but having sex can sometimes make you feel that you have done a very wrong thing, even though in the end, the consequence will not be there. It is just a very sensetive topic and should not be taken lightly just because you use condoms.

why would you feel guilty about expressing love?

It is a feeling you get, but that does not necessary mean you have done something wrong, it is just a weird type of reaction some people gets.

that's like saying we should ban plants becuase some people get hay fever!

perhaps you feel guilty becuase of your beleifs rather than sex.

You got it all wrong. I did not say having sex is wrong, I said having sex gives some people a weird type of feeling. Get it through your head.

didn't you earlier advocate abstinence?

No, I was saying that it would be better if you have sex after marriage, but I did not say that having sex would be a criminal act. It might seem okay to you, but it does not to some sensitive people, like religions, for example.

but opinion has very little affect upon reality, 2+2=4, no matter whether you feel that's good or bad, it is.

if they don't want to have sex before marriage, fine. but when people start trying to get me and other people to stop having sex before marriage, that's not okay, and is repression of my freedom(unless there the one i'm trying have sex with)

Back on topic now please!

MagnusPrimal wrote:

Jesus Prime wrote:The meaning of any lifeform's existence is to procreate and further the species. No amount of say-so is going to make people's instincts change.

That's what separates us from the animals. We can actually think, and not just act on our instincts. Birth control is fine, but putting some abstinence in there isn't a bad idea. For any number of reasons, religious possibly being one of them.

No, we're animals. Hell, we're worse than animals. Animals know what they're doing. And don't pull religion into this. I'm a religious/spiritual guy - and I sure as **** don't agree with abstinence. Why not tell us not to feed ourselves and poop, while you're at it?

Waiting til marriage to have sex, for about 95% of people, does not happen. So why are we continuing to preach something that a VERY tiny percent of the population follows? I was responsible enough as a teenager to use contraception and I didn't get pregnant til I was with someone I wanted babies with. Now, while I think you shouldn't sleep with anything that walks just because you want to, we shouldn't guilt people for having sex before marriage at all. That said, I think people SHOULD be married before having children. If you aren't married when the woman gets pregnant, then go get married. The child will be recognized by the state as a legitimate child. Plus it encourages a more stable environment.

As Skowl said, get this thread back on track or I will lock it.

er...isn't it on topic?

I thought the topic was bad parenting?

Jesus Prime wrote:I thought the topic was bad parenting?

I think peoples view on parenting is pretty much totally seperate to their views on sexuality, and sex before marrage.

i had a child out side of marrage, i am a great dad, the mother is an abandoning psycho bitch outta hell-our marital status wouldnt affect that either way