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The only way I could be fine with dinobots in Transformers 2 is if....
Okay, if a few of the autobots were to land in a place like a theme park where there are animatronic dinosaurs. Of course, dinobots, not being the smartest would think dinos are a normal thing to see lumbering around so that's what they adopt.
Even still... I don't know, what do you think?

Oh, and know that I am NOT for seeing dinobots, well, maybe if it was Autobots vs. MECHAGODZIRRA! RUUUUNNNN!

eh... no dinobots.

Well, how about as the Dynobots?

Save dinosaur alt modes for a later film, and simply have them as the military backup for the bots.
You know, bot tanks, jets and buggies.

How about possibly the simplest idea I've heard for these:

The Dynobot's, a group of space explorers (ala Beast Wars), crash on earth roughly in the early Cretaceous period (that way we get most of the G1 Dinobot forms) and scan Dinosaurs so they wont attract attention. The newly created Dinobots, with prosthetic skin crafted onto their robotic exoskeletons, try to find others but loose energy & eventually go into stasis lock.

Millions of years later the Autobots & Decepticons fight in a built up urban city, with fatality's on both sides, including autobot Jazz. Megatron is defeated by having the allspark thrust into his chest, creating an energon surge (again ala BW) just big enough to wake the Dinobots.

Now you can decide. For the Beast Wars fans/ realistic-people-who-DON'T-think-giant-robotic-dinosaurs-is-that-inconspicuous, they could keep their prosthetics & reenact Jurassic Park to the Decepticons. On the other hand, for G1 purists, whatever environment they've become trapped in, ice, rock, water, etc, has caused their prosthetics to deteriorate & now Grimlock & his Dinobots reveal themselves to the world, huge Transmetal Dinosaurs.

What you think???

Simple.

Life on other planets.

Any new TFers would have to come from other planets.

Why can't there be one similar to Earth's early time period?

Like Megatron, they don't have to reformat.

Or, you could say TFers can't reformat without enough energy to do so, which would prevent multiple formats per film but still allowing wiggle room for new toys.

Bumblebee was able to reformat because he's been on Earth and storing solar energy which he converted to energon.

The best and easiest way to explain it is simply that the Dinobots simply dont care if they are disguised or not.

Theyre the Muscle of the Autobots. They kick ass and someone else does the cleanup. Now what if they looked at Earth vehicles and just thought 'meh'. Most of the Decepticons tried military vehicles and look how that turned out and who's to say they would limit their search to vehicles.
They would want an Alt form capable of combat.

or we can have them not be dinosaurs, there problem solved.

Because having them be dinosaurs really frankly is a waste of the robots in disguise motif, it was stupid when G1 did it, it was stupid when the comics did it and its stupid now.

Ironically though, cool in beast wars.

The Master Blaster wrote:Well, how about as the Dynobots?

Save dinosaur alt modes for a later film, and simply have them as the military backup for the bots.
You know, bot tanks, jets and buggies.

Problem solved.

Dinosaurs roaming the streets would kill the film.

They should all be construction vehicles.

Screw the Constructicons, I've seen enough of those guys in the last decade to last me another 20 years, I'm so freaking sick of them. Grimlock could be a huge front loader with massive teeth, the closest thing a vehicle can get to a T-Rex while staying a vehicle.

Slag can be a dumptruck and Sludge could be a crane.

MercilessOne wrote:

The Master Blaster wrote:Well, how about as the Dynobots?

Save dinosaur alt modes for a later film, and simply have them as the military backup for the bots.
You know, bot tanks, jets and buggies.

Problem solved.

Dinosaurs roaming the streets would kill the film.

Honestly, it would just depend on how they handle dinosaurs roaming the streets. As with any film, if they can pull it off & make it look cool instead of lame, it'd work.

Personally, given that we've already seen one robotic animal (scorponok), it would lay the groundwork for another 2 or 3.

Anyway, how's this: Dinobots crash land their spaceship into a volcano millions of years ago(Ark anybody?), immediately bail out, find that most of the life on the planet isn't intelligent, so they just do a quick robo mock-up of the local wildlife...after scoping out the area a bit, head back into the ship: maybe a run-in with Megs or some other Decepticons causes it...a huge cave-in & they're buried alive. Couple of million years later, something happens...eruption, earthquake, miners dig too deep....uncover the dinobots, & they go on a rampage. Then they keep the dinosaur alt modes not for disguise, but for intimidation...not just for humans(cause you know, a giant alien robot would fit that role just fine), but also for intimidation towards fellow transformers, Autobot & Decepticon alike....untill they finally meet a mutual agreement with the Autobots to stop Megatron for some reason or another.


...Just a thought that popped off the top of my head....

First off, I'm a huge cartoon G1 continuity fan, but, imo, they need to do the Dinobots and Shockwave from the Marvel and IDW comic backstories/personas.

That is the only viable way to bring them all to the live-action film in a manner that won't be ridiculous or boring.

Justicity wrote:How about possibly the simplest idea I've heard for these:

The Dynobot's, a group of space explorers (ala Beast Wars), crash on earth roughly in the early Cretaceous period (that way we get most of the G1 Dinobot forms) and scan Dinosaurs so they wont attract attention. The newly created Dinobots, with prosthetic skin crafted onto their robotic exoskeletons, try to find others but loose energy & eventually go into stasis lock.

Millions of years later the Autobots & Decepticons fight in a built up urban city, with fatality's on both sides, including autobot Jazz. Megatron is defeated by having the allspark thrust into his chest, creating an energon surge (again ala BW) just big enough to wake the Dinobots.

Now you can decide. For the Beast Wars fans/ realistic-people-who-DON'T-think-giant-robotic-dinosaurs-is-that-inconspicuous, they could keep their prosthetics & reenact Jurassic Park to the Decepticons. On the other hand, for G1 purists, whatever environment they've become trapped in, ice, rock, water, etc, has caused their prosthetics to deteriorate & now Grimlock & his Dinobots reveal themselves to the world, huge Transmetal Dinosaurs.

What you think???

That sounds awesome!

Dinobots wouldn't be the kind of autobots Prime would want to invite to earth. In the series, they were made on earth by Wheeljack.

As it's been stated an obscene number of times, this isn't G1. You can't say anything about what the Dinobots are, since this is a new continuity, and the writers can make Optimus and Grimlock best friends if they wanted to.

It could be said that they were made by humans, but were exposed to the Allspark in some way. The robots become big sentient monsters and as the movie progresses, you can have a nice little subplot of the dinobots coming to terms with their being alive and have them choose a side for the big climax.

Damolisher wrote:As it's been stated an obscene number of times, this isn't G1. You can't say anything about what the Dinobots are, since this is a new continuity, and the writers can make Optimus and Grimlock best friends if they wanted to.

I for one wouldn't be surprised if they turn swoop into a girl.

Personally, I say just have them land by a dinosaur exhibit of a science museum, and have them each take a liking to one each of the dinosausrs on display. They may not make for great disguises, but for sheer power and intimidation, dinosaur modes are perfect, and a T-Rex alternate mode is definately right up Grimlock's alley. Have the dino modes done in the same aesthetic styling as Skorponok and they will fit right in.

Tramp wrote:They may not make for great disguises, but for sheer power and intimidation, dinosaur modes are perfect, and a T-Rex alternate mode is definately right up Grimlock's alley. Have the dino modes done in the same aesthetic styling as Skorponok and they will fit right in.

Wow, we actually agree on something for a change...how f***ed up is that??

You know something else that might work....they could do like scorponok & just not give an explaination for them at all....just an introduction of tearing up stuff in a blantant show of badassery.

the scoponok theory is pretty good, see, let's say that scoponock is part of a sub species of transformers That are known a being less intellignt than other bots, meaning their programming won't allow them to take a complex form like a truck or a car.

They can use Grimlocks envy of Prime's power as a leader
Grimlock is the ruler of this species and since cybertron is a wasteland now He, and his most loyal followers come to earth to find a new planet to rule!

They can use Grimlocks envy of Prime's power as a leader to try to "take earth from prime" seeing prime as being responsible for Cybertrons downfall, Dinobots are Stupid remember?

They choose dinosaur skeletons to scan as the only thing that can match thier size...

Just a thought, all i could think of so quickly

The only problem is, with the exception of Sludge, and to a lesser degree Slag, The Dinobots really aren't that stupid. Grimlock is actually very intelligent, he just has a speech impediment. Being intelligent also makes him more dangerous in battle. The "Me, Grimlock Bad-Ass!!" is also simply a more interesting character than simpleton Grimlock.

Tramp wrote:The only problem is, with the exception of Sludge, and to a lesser degree Slag, The Dinobots really aren't that stupid. Grimlock is actually very intelligent, he just has a speech impediment. Being intelligent also makes him more dangerous in battle. The "Me, Grimlock Bad-Ass!!" is also simply a more interesting character than simpleton Grimlock.

Considering how they're trying to go for more comedy in the movies, though, it wouldn't suprise me if they tried to do the simpleton Dinobots just because the writers might think dumb=funny. & That would ruin the badassery of the Dinobots.

.....then again, making Ironhide a trigger-happy Brit didn't turn out so bad.

OK, so I don't know for sure if he was supposed to sound british or not, but that was definately not "cowboy" or Dirty Harry when he was b*tching about the dog leaking lubricants.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Tramp wrote:The only problem is, with the exception of Sludge, and to a lesser degree Slag, The Dinobots really aren't that stupid. Grimlock is actually very intelligent, he just has a speech impediment. Being intelligent also makes him more dangerous in battle. The "Me, Grimlock Bad-Ass!!" is also simply a more interesting character than simpleton Grimlock.

Considering how they're trying to go for more comedy in the movies, though, it wouldn't suprise me if they tried to do the simpleton Dinobots just because the writers might think dumb=funny. & That would ruin the badassery of the Dinobots.

.....then again, making Ironhide a trigger-happy Brit didn't turn out so bad.

OK, so I don't know for sure if he was supposed to sound british or not, but that was definately not "cowboy" or Dirty Harry when he was b*tching about the dog leaking lubricants.

I don't think they were simply trying for "more comedy" per-say. It's more like using humor to break the tension and not bog the story down be making it too serious. IF you think about it, every one of the humerous scenes fit quite naturally because you can imagine just how awkward the Autobots were feeling trying to hide from Sam's parents, avoiding such small items in the yard, etc. Such awkwardness is funny to see, but it is the very realism of the situation which makes it funny. The same is true of Bumblebe "lubricating" on Agent Simmons. It fit Bumblebee's personality perfectly and Agent Simmons deserved it, which is what made it funny. It was real. It wasn't a slapstick-cartoon comedy gag. The movie had enough of a mixture of seriousness, action, romance and humor in a nice blend. A more intellignet, agressive Grimlock would fit perfectly, and That same personality could still provide some humor given the right situation.

I'd personally like to see a Furman-esque Grimlock, you know, a shitstirring, but intelligent and insightful leader-type, ala Grimlock from the tail end of the Marvel G1 comic series, you know, something similar to that, but whatever happens, happens.

This is like revenge of the repeat posts today. Here was the Dinobots thread from earlier today: http://www.seibertron.com/forums/viewto ... id=#302133

And my theory: Well, if the dinos are less intelligent, then if they accidentally landed in some sort of museum exhibit, it could be easy to see them walking out as big metal dinosaurs. I can envision them having a good laugh as the people are running away from them.

I later talked about the museum dinos that the Dinobots copied being animatronic which would make would make it easier for them to copy them.

I say bring them on (We had Scorpinok, right?)... but let's get to know them (and all the other robot characters) better in TF2.