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News Credits: 3 · by **Optimizzy** » Mon May 26, 2014 2:05 pm

Thinking about the prime 2 pack: the alt modes are ironic as they would go better with the opposite bot modes.

by **Jestermon** » Mon May 26, 2014 2:06 pm

Exactly, but that isn't a reason for people to complain about it being overused when it's hardly been available at US retail for most people that hadn't shelled out large amounts for those.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Mon May 26, 2014 2:16 pm

Jestermon wrote:Exactly, but that isn't a reason for people to complain about it being overused when it's hardly been available at US retail for most people that hadn't shelled out large amounts for those.

It's not just about availability, but also about what the tooling possibly has gone through over its many uses. I'm assuming you've heard of mold deterioration, so I won't go there. Speaking of which, I suspect that Hasbro and TakaraTomy have taken the liberty of restoring parts of the toolings, given how desired the Classics toy seems to be. Definitely worth asking at BotCon.

News Credits: 3 · by **Optimizzy** » Mon May 26, 2014 8:59 pm

Molds do deteriorate, but I'm hopeful that this one will be fine. Personally I'm not complaining about a new release for the classics Prime. I think it's about time for such a good mold. Also, has anyone thought that perhaps Hasbro and Takara/Tomy have thier own copies of the mold? Perhaps Takara's is all loose from repeated production (it seems typical of Takara to over-do it) but Hasbro's may have little problems.

Just a thought there.

As an aside: I know Takara's really puts some money into paint applications and stuff and they direct thier toys towards the older collector (makes sense sue to the demographic) however, I'm not terribly impressed with them as an innovator. Sure they do some great decos but how many Takara exclusive molds have been any good? Look at the Transformers Go! toys, I know there are fans, but to me they look horrible. I also wasnt a fan of Takara/Tomy strapping posts all over the Prime line just so they could sell their little minicons. This rant doesnt really have a place here but I seen very little real innovation from them.

News Credits: 65 · by **Wolfman Jake** » Mon May 26, 2014 9:22 pm

Yes, each plastic injection mold lasts for only so many uses, but that's not the point. Hasbro and Takara can make more molds when the old ones are used up. Mold "degradation" is a fandom boogeyman. It's not a real issue. There's no such thing as using a "mold" too much and then it's gone forever. What you need to be concerned with is systemic quality control issues when a certain batch of figures are produced. QC problems can be due to a number of different issues at the time of production, and how many times Hasbro and Takara have repainted or retooled a mold in the past isn't really one of them, not in the way most people think.

by **The Thuggernaut** » Mon May 26, 2014 9:23 pm

Optimizzy wrote:Molds do deteriorate, but I'm hopeful that this one will be fine. Personally I'm not complaining about a new release for the classics Prime. I think it's about time for such a good mold. Also, has anyone thought that perhaps Hasbro and Takara/Tomy have thier own copies of the mold? Perhaps Takara's is all loose from repeated production (it seems typical of Takara to over-do it) but Hasbro's may have little problems.

Just a thought there.

As an aside: I know Takara's really puts some money into paint applications and stuff and they direct thier toys towards the older collector (makes sense sue to the demographic) however, I'm not terribly impressed with them as an innovator. Sure they do some great decos but how many Takara exclusive molds have been any good? Look at the Transformers Go! toys, I know there are fans, but to me they look horrible. I also wasnt a fan of Takara/Tomy strapping posts all over the Prime line just so they could sell their little minicons. This rant doesnt really have a place here but I seen very little real innovation from them.

Takara's Go! line and Prime minicons may not be so innovative to us because they are directed towards Japanese kids, they are a whole different culture than the American kids so they may not appeal to us much. But I wouldn't say Takara lacks innovation, take a look at all the Masterpeice figures. They are targeted at collectors, highly innovative, and amazing! I guess it's a matter of perspective really :-?

Sorry for getting all off topic, just wanted to say that

by **Nemesis Maximo** » Mon May 26, 2014 11:10 pm

I'll probably get this. I never got the original Classics Prime, but I have the US Ultra Magnus. I love the mold. I'm not super crazy about the vehicle paint-job, but IMO the robot mode looks better than the 2006 version.

Evasion Prime...he's alright. Better than the first release, but I'm not getting into the movie toys again, unless they put one out that really POPS. Or a better painted version of DOTM Soundwave.

News Credits: 6188 · by **Va'al** » Tue May 27, 2014 5:07 am

A little piece of not big news, but news nonetheless, featuring the upcoming Transformers: Age of Extinction Grimlock, from the Target exclusive two-pack with Silver Knight Optimus Prime, from Facebook page Planet Iacon. The figure is a repaint of Platinum Voyager FoC Grimlock, with the logo changed from Lightning Strike Coalition to Autobot, and some extra/different paint apps and chrome. Check it out below!

Website · by **Fires_Of_Inferno** » Tue May 27, 2014 5:11 am

Va'al wrote:A little piece of not big news, but news nonetheless, featuring the upcoming Transformers: Age of Extinction Grimlock, from the Target exclusive two-pack with Silver Knight Optimus Prime, from Facebook page Planet Iacon. The figure is a repaint of Platinum Voyager FoC Grimlock, with the logo changed from Lightning Strike Coalition to Autobot, and some extra/different paint apps and chrome. Check it out below!

There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for the amount of want I'm feeling now.

News Credits: 21 · by **dragons** » Tue May 27, 2014 5:49 am

Òoooooo someone broke open new figure not doing there job I see new figures on wooden pallete in bqckground thats a no no :-$

News Credits: 13 · by **OptimalOptimus2** » Tue May 27, 2014 6:02 am

dragons wrote:Òoooooo someone broke open new figure not doing there job I see new figures on wooden pallete in bqckground thats a no no

What?

News Credits: 6188 · by **Va'al** » Tue May 27, 2014 6:11 am

Fellow Seibertron.com user Transformersmegazord has just returned from the BOTS convention in the Netherlands, and brought back some Takara Transformers: Lost Age loot! Check out below a video review for the Japanese version of Leader Class Optimus Prime - you can find the Hasbro Age of Extinction version here and in our galleries - with more chrome than you can shake a chromed stick at!

by **TimothyR** » Tue May 27, 2014 6:17 am

looks like they forgot to paint the center of grimlocks chest.. that looks terrible.

News Credits: 15 · by **Ravage XK** » Tue May 27, 2014 7:58 am

TimothyR wrote:looks like they forgot to paint the center of grimlocks chest.. that looks terrible.

Yeah, that's just primer!

I do not like the rainbow legs on the bot mode, what were they thinking?

News Credits: 4838 · by **william-james88** » Tue May 27, 2014 8:13 am

Ravage XK wrote:
TimothyR wrote:looks like they forgot to paint the center of grimlocks chest.. that looks terrible.

Yeah, that's just primer!

I do not like the rainbow legs on the bot mode, what were they thinking?

They were thinking exactly of this:

News Credits: 15 · by **Ravage XK** » Tue May 27, 2014 8:28 am

Well, its hideous. Way too much colour used there, looks like Lego legs.

News Credits: 32 · by **Transformermegazord** » Tue May 27, 2014 9:04 am

Thanks for sharing guys , i honestly love this version , cant believe people hate the paint lol, still thats the fun in this line one mans rubbish is another mans treasure

News Credits: 251 · by **Mindmaster** » Tue May 27, 2014 9:50 am

Oh yeah, that Grimlock is going to be a hard one to find. Damn, do I want it, though!

by **Zobovor** » Tue May 27, 2014 10:01 am

Seibertron wrote:I love this comment from people. After 30 uses of the Classics Starscream mold, I think we should be able to finally move away from this thought process about molds degrading after time. Those molds are amazing and they will last the test of time. The only question should really be whether or not the original mold was made of "sturdy stuff" or made from a lesser material that gives way after time.

The Classic Starscream mold was heavily retooled a couple of years after its first use, probably to account for mold degradation. There is direct evidence in the toys themselves that the molds were retooled. (Look inside the cavity in the jets' forearms where their fists tuck away. Compare, say, Classics Starscream to Universe Starscream. Note the differently-shaped details.)

Take a look at the Takara reissue version of the G1 Combaticons some time. There are pock marks all over those toys as a result of the molds being reused repeatedly. Do a comparison with vintage G1 units and the difference is mind-boggling.

Mold degradation isn't some random fan theory; it's reality.

Zob

News Credits: 650 · by **ScottyP** » Tue May 27, 2014 10:06 am

Va'al wrote:

Might those be Sunstorm boxes in the background :-?

http://www.youtube.com/user/KirbyForce1 · by **KirbyForce1** » Tue May 27, 2014 10:08 am

Felzbug already made a review of this guy. Why was there no news post about his review? There was one about his Sharkticon Megatron review some time ago, so why not this one?

News Credits: 3 · by **Optimizzy** » Tue May 27, 2014 10:45 am

KirbyForce1 wrote:Felzbug already made a review of this guy. Why was there no news post about his review? There was one about his Sharkticon Megatron review some time ago, so why not this one?

There was I think. Isn't this the Target exclusive that's packaged with the DotM Deluxe Prime that's all chromed out?

by **Rated X** » Tue May 27, 2014 11:10 am

I dont know why they didnt just paint him like this to begin with. Too bad the upgrades for this figure are a different color plastic. Ill probably buy it anyway just to see how he looks with the wings.

News Credits: 12 · by **GuyIncognito** » Tue May 27, 2014 12:08 pm

Rated X wrote:I dont know why they didnt just paint him like this to begin with.

Because it was originally a WFC figure, not a G1 homage.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue May 27, 2014 12:18 pm

GuyIncognito wrote:
Rated X wrote:I dont know why they didnt just paint him like this to begin with.

Because it was originally a WFC figure, not a G1 homage.

And the deco might have been too kiddie for a video game that's supposed to be edgy with warfare and aimed at older audiences.