The Energon Pub

[LadyBug]

Well MECH is aiming to create cybertronians of their own, so it wouldn't be normal cybertronians, it'd be MECH built cybertronians via project chimera. (and this is assuming Starscream links up with MECH, which in all honesty, seems very much likely)

That's what I'm more leaning towards to think when it comes to Starscream. I mean, we haven't seen M.E.C.H. since what episode? And Scream has been missing for how many now? Something smells fishy. And something smells right up Starscream's alley.

[Zequem]

Well MECH is aiming to create cybertronians of their own, so it wouldn't be normal cybertronians, it'd be MECH built cybertronians via project chimera. (and this is assuming Starscream links up with MECH, which in all honesty, seems very much likely)

Creating their own Cybertronians or some sort of robot-suits for themselves, but I'd lean towards cybertronians of their own. The way they kidnapped and examined Breakdown and were interested of Airachnid scanning an alt-form gives it away to me.

But who would they create? All the major characters from previous series are pretty much used/are from Cybertron or the colony worlds already. If M.E.C.H is creating their own Cybertronians, it would probably be some minor characters from the past or completely new character. That is, if they're even given names.

Starscream would definitely be a huge help for them, as he is (sort of) a scientist himself. I've already played with the idea in my mind, including who M.E.C.H would create. I'm curious how close my guesses will be in the end.

[Sabrblade]

I just have to say: Starscream needs to come back for season 2. He had been nearly gone 9/10 episodes the last part of season one.

He's only been gone for six episodes. He left back in episode 20.

In all honesty? Soundwave beating the slag out of Airachnid is probably the greatest moment from this season. Partially because Soundwave had done little up to that point, and partially because of how thoroughly he took her down when everyone else had trouble with fighting her.

The thing with Soundwave is that the creators descibed him as being a Decepticon version of Snake Eyes. He doesn't fight because he doesn't have to. He doesn't have to fight because no one messes with him. And no one messes with him because they know darn well better to not to (Airachnid, apparently, did not). He's just one of those guys who everyone gets creeped out by and so no one bothers him. A frightening begin indeed.

I mean, we haven't seen M.E.C.H. since what episode?

Episode 17, 9 episodes ago.

But who would they create? All the major characters from previous series are pretty much used/are from Cybertron or the colony worlds already. If M.E.C.H is creating their own Cybertronians, it would probably be some minor characters from the past or completely new character. That is, if they're even given names.

Autobot X? Robot Buster? Centurion? C-X? Nightbird? Binaltechs? Autoroopers? Etc. etc.

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Kids don't act like bright, cheery, optimistic thrill-seekers when their parents die.

Robin does most of the time same went with Sailor Jupiter in the manga.

As I recall Tim Drake Robin was not happy after his father and his friends died, heck in one possible future he becomes an even darker version of Batman

As for Season 2 of Prime, I see Jack ending up leader of the Autobots until Optimus returns (why else would optimus give him something so important), and I'm still guessing he ends up a transformer or headmaster at some point

[Sabrblade]

As for Season 2 of Prime, I see Jack ending up leader of the Autobots until Optimus returns (why else would optimus give him something so important), and I'm still guessing he ends up a transformer or headmaster at some point

Regardless of if he becomes a TF or not, I think it'll very interesting to see Jack put in command of the Autobots. It'll be kinda like how Orion Pax was thrust into the same position.

[Twitchythe3rd]

Who is going to fill the void in leadership until that happens though (if it happens at all)? Ultra Magnus is off leading the Wreckers (possibly dead if they stayed behind on Cybertron) and Rodimus / Hot Rod is non-existant in this timeline so far (He was in the DS version of WFC though).

How is he nonexistent? You said it yourself, he was in the DS version, so he (Hot Shot) does exist in this continuity family.

My fault, perhaps "doesn't exist" weren't the right words.

You're right in that he does exist in the continuity family as a whole. Since the show seems to cherry pick elements from both Exodus and WFC, and with Season Two coming up, it's entirely possible Rodimus / Hot Shot could still come in.

Still, i'd like to see Grimlock take command for a few episodes.

[Sabrblade]

Still, i'd like to see Grimlock take command for a few episodes.

As long as he draws inspiration from Simon Furman's Marvel UK Grimlock, as opposed to Bob Budiansky's Marvel U.S. Grimlock.

[SirSoundwaveIV]

Sudden thought about MECH. A chimera is a mix of two creatures, right? Well, here's a thought- what if they're trying to pull a machination here? ie. headmaster troopers? It makes sense with the title of the plot and all.

This leaves me to wonder when the combiners come in, but this idea would make sense in theory.

Also the Snake Eyes comparison with Soundwave makes scary amounts of sense.

[Sabrblade]

Sudden thought about MECH. A chimera is a mix of two creatures, right? Well, here's a thought- what if they're trying to pull a machination here? ie. headmaster troopers? It makes sense with the title of the plot and all.

This leaves me to wonder when the combiners come in, but this idea would make sense in theory.

A chimera is a mix of many animals (lion's head, goat's body, serpent's tail, etc.), but that name's still very suspicious.

As for the combiners, Shockwave already created Bruticus Maximus and at least two Devastators.

Though, as I'm reading Exiles, something mentioned on one page in that book also has me wonder something about MECH. In one part of the book, Alpha Trion starts listing off some of Solus Prime's weapon creations, and one of them is something called the "Chimera Stone". I have not finished reading the book, so no spoilers yet, please.

Though, if this object plays no part in that story, what if MECH had acquired it somhow and are using it as the key ingredient of Project: Chimera?

[crashhcourse]

As for Jack "leading" that doesn't seem logical or likely, does it. Ratchet has, what, a coupla hundred?, thousand? years of military and life experience over Jack and a pretty forceful personality? My guess is this will be a more of "Jack is the heart" kinda deal keeping everyone honest (WWOD - What would Optimus do). Honestly, the way Arcee has been growing I could see her being in charge of missions while Ratchet is sort of the stay at home Mom, manning the fort and the logistics. Unless someone else steps in (with the way things have been going, it seems as likely as anything else. This show keeps me guessing).

[Sabrblade]

As for Jack "leading" that doesn't seem logical or likely, does it. Ratchet has, what, a coupla hundred?, thousand? years of military and life experience over Jack and a pretty forceful personality? My guess is this will be a more of "Jack is the heart" kinda deal keeping everyone honest (WWOD - What would Optimus do). Honestly, the way Arcee has been growing I could see her being in charge of missions while Ratchet is sort of the stay at home Mom, manning the fort and the logistics. Unless someone else steps in (with the way things have been going, it seems as likely as anything else. This show keeps me guessing).

Jack taking command would be no different than when Optimus himself became Prime. He [Orion Pax] was a nobody. A young data clerk with dreams of a brighter tomorrow and no real combat experience whatsoever. He got the job becuase of destiny. Bearing the Matrix, Optimus may have sensed some potential within Jack just as Alpha Trion, Halogen, the rest of the High Council, and the Core itself sensed in Orion.

[SirSoundwaveIV]

Could be Jack becomes leader, with Ratchet helping him run the base and Arcee running the field missions. This actually would make things more interesting if Grimlock romps on in and sees Jack's running the show. He'd definitely try to become leader then.

[Sabrblade]

Could be Jack becomes leader, with Ratchet helping him run the base and Arcee running the field missions. This actually would make things more interesting if Grimlock romps on in and sees Jack's running the show. He'd definitely try to become leader then.

It'd be a lot like how G1 Grimlock reacted to Spike being in command of the Steelhaven's crew.

"A human?! Human commands Autobots?! NEVER!!"

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Sudden thought about MECH. A chimera is a mix of two creatures, right? Well, here's a thought- what if they're trying to pull a machination here? ie. headmaster troopers? It makes sense with the title of the plot and all.

This leaves me to wonder when the combiners come in, but this idea would make sense in theory.

Also the Snake Eyes comparison with Soundwave makes scary amounts of sense.

This is what I'm thinking myself, and I'm guessing Jack somehow gets involved in this somehow

As for Jack "leading" that doesn't seem logical or likely, does it. Ratchet has, what, a coupla hundred?, thousand? years of military and life experience over Jack and a pretty forceful personality? My guess is this will be a more of "Jack is the heart" kinda deal keeping everyone honest (WWOD - What would Optimus do). Honestly, the way Arcee has been growing I could see her being in charge of missions while Ratchet is sort of the stay at home Mom, manning the fort and the logistics. Unless someone else steps in (with the way things have been going, it seems as likely as anything else. This show keeps me guessing).

Optimus gave the key to him, not Ratchet, this indicates to me that he's passing leadership to Jack.

Ratchet may have the knowledge and experience, but as we saw with his roid rage episode, he's not leader material.

Arcee is a potential leader, but she has emotion issues as we saw when she let scream escape (I wonder if its sexist that the female on the team is unable to control her emotions)

[Shadowman]

Arcee is a potential leader, but she has emotion issues as we saw when she let scream escape (I wonder if its sexist that the female on the team is unable to control her emotions)

When you realize you've been standing next to the guy who murdered your closest friend, few people keep in control of their emotions.

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Arcee is a potential leader, but she has emotion issues as we saw when she let scream escape (I wonder if its sexist that the female on the team is unable to control her emotions)

When you realize you've been standing next to the guy who murdered your closest friend, few people keep in control of their emotions.

True, but Optimus probably would have, and that's why she's not ready to be a leader yet, at least that's the way I see it

[Rodimus2006]

I say Jack will more than likely take the place of Optimus he has improved more than anyone from how he Fough off Airachnid and other deals.

To me Jack is like a human version of Optimus they are both almost alike in the way they are and the way they act.

The only deal is Jack isnt a 50ft Giant Cybertronain but he can still keep up with them just the same as we saw he handled Airachncd in Predatory.

Maybe Optimus gave Jack the Key To Vector Sigma cause he sees a leader in Jack.

Only other possible leader would be Racthet cause he is the oldest and wisest of them + he was with Optimus almost since the beginning.

So Optimus uses the Matrix of Leadership but this time it dosent cause an upgrade like in the 1986 movie this time it erases Optimus Prime and sends him back to being Orion Pax.

Well just Orion now without the Pax. The ancient wisdom of the ancients puts Unicron in Stasis but it didnt kill off The Chaos Bringer.

So he could in fact still comeback sometime later on if Megatron or someone could find a way to control or use Unicron in someway.

But my guess on who replaces Optimus is eithr Jack or Ratchet.

I got the other guess right saying the possible ally was either MECH, Starscream or Megatron usually Megs does this cause it would serve his purpose such as how he manipulated Optimus and now Orion is a Decipticon now.

So in S2 the Autobots are vastly outnumbered from MECH, Scream, Megatron with Orion and are surrounded on all sides.

Unicron could eventually make a comeback if not I see Fallen to replace Unicron.

I also still suspect Dreadwing to make an appearance in Season 2 and he will be a bounty hunter of sorts sent by Megatron to bring in or kill Starscream.

[Sabrblade]

So Optimus uses the Matrix of Leadership but this time it dosent cause an upgrade like in the 1986 movie this time it erases Optimus Prime and sends him back to being Orion Pax.

Well just Orion now without the Pax.

No, it's still "Orion with the Pax". "Pax" is not a title (as far as we know).

The ancient wisdom of the ancients puts Unicron in Stasis but it didnt kill off The Chaos Bringer.

Unicron cannot/must not die.

[Rodimus2006]

Unicron can not die cause Unicron is the Earth the Earth is Unicron.

If Unicron is fully awawkened or dies either way it is bad news for the people of Earth.

The only logical solution is to keep Unicron in Deep Sleep or Stasis.

Which can only be done with the Matrix of Leadership the ancient wisdom of the ancients.

From what I have seen of Prime's Orion Pax new look he looks like Prime in Animated with a a slightly diffrent look.

I cant wait in Fall of Cybertron we have Grimlock but they didnt say rather or not the others would be in it or not such as Slag, Sludge, or Swoop but they did say the Combiticons will be in it and form Bruticus.

What I am most curious is how will we control them do we just use one of the Combaticons then during a cutscene or a trigger event with button mashing they form Bruticus.

Also on Prime my choice is still Jack but they wont pick out a new leader right away in S2.

In S2 they will try to figure out what went wrong, and they will more than likely try to mount a rescue of Orion/Optimus try to reason with him.

They will be very tense moments in S2 were the Autobots could be forced to Battle or even kill thier mind-wiped Leader Orion-Optimus.

I see new characters such as Perceptor maybe he will be brought in to fight a way to cure Optimus.

Dreadwing the Decipticon Bounty hunter sent from Megatron to bring in Starscream or Kill him.

The Dinobots also will make an appearance along with a new combiner.

Then we have MECH with Project Chimera maybe will have some glimpse of what Silas has in store so we can have some idea of what he hopes to accomplish.

I have a gut feeling S2 will blow S1 out of the water with so much going on and the introduction of new characters, new villians and the deal with Orion-Optimus S2 will be action packed.

That is my new name for him Orion-Optimus.

[Sabrblade]

Unicron can not die cause Unicron is the Earth the Earth is Unicron.

If Unicron is fully awawkened or dies either way it is bad news for the people of Earth.

If he dies, it's bad news for the universe, period. Remember the black hole from Cybertron?

From what I have seen of Prime's Orion Pax new look he looks like Prime in Animated with a a slightly diffrent look.

You know what Orion Pax looked like? This:

The change from "Orion Pax" to "Optimus Prime" was nothing more than a simple name change.

I cant wait in Fall of Cybertron we have Grimlock but they didnt say rather or not the others would be in it or not such as Slag, Sludge, or Swoop but they did say the Combiticons will be in it and form Bruticus.

Grimlock and Swoop were already in War for Cybertron.

What I am most curious is how will we control them do we just use one of the Combaticons then during a cutscene or a trigger event with button mashing they form Bruticus.

That's a question for a different topic.

Dreadwing the Decipticon Bounty hunter sent from Megatron to bring in Starscream or Kill him.

Why a bounty hunter?

That is my new name for him Orion-Optimus.

Why? He's still Optimus, he just thinks he's Orion Pax now. They're the same guy.

[Rodimus2006]

I know that Saber he was completed mind wiped before he was intiated as a Prime he remembers nothing about being Optimus Prime now he is just Orion Pax.

Megatron manipulated/lies to Orion saying he was a Decipticon now Orion is a Full-Fledge Decepticon now.

But I see him fighting with this in S2 remebering things flashes and Megatron will have trouble controling and keeping Orion the way he is before he returns to the old Optimus Prime.

I just think Dreadwing sounds like a Bounty Hunter sort of like how that Bounty Hunter guy was in Animated chasing Arcee & Ratchet but I doubt if Dreadwing will be anything like he was.

[Avensis-Mahiya]

Maybe Elita-1 could show up and take command until Optimus Prime Orion Pax recovers his memories, or she can help restore them.

Just saying.

[Foxbear]

I just finished reading Exiles.
It was …good.
I just have to wonder why they gave such an important project to Alex Irvine. He is a competent writer, but his work is only good. For novelizations within an existing universe the top two are Peter David and Allen Dean Foster. Either of these authors would have hands down done a better job than Irvine. Where he is an author they are artists. Both have written TF novelizations before and they came out amazing. Maybe it was scheduling conflicts or contract issues but I truly hope TF’s dumps Irvine for Foster or David for any future work.
That said, spoilers!
If Prime is indeed drawing from Exiles as it drew from Exodus we can expect some awesome and original villains in season 2.
Chief among them is Thundertron, the pirate king. He hunts Optimus and Megatron both for ancient transgressions. The was loads of foreshadowing that they would be seeing more of him, so I vote for Thundertron and the Tidal Wave as season 2 villains
Velocitron gets a lot of page time. Blurr is introduced, but doesn’t join the crew. So we may be seeing some of him.
It is also hinted that some of the original 13 Primes are still alive.
This is all assuming that Prime is linked with exiles of course. But after seeing how much of Exodus turned up in One Shall Rise I’m hopeful.

[Shadowman]

some of the original 13 Primes are still alive.

Well of course they are. Alpha Trion is always doing something. Vector Prime is still having adventures throughout time and space, the Fallen just hops from one dimension to another every time he gets killed, and while we haven't seen much of Liege Maximo since the G2 comics, there's nor reason to assume they killed him since then.

And for the love of God, can Hasbro please name the remainder of the Original 13 something other than Prime? It's getting unimaginative.

[Sabrblade]

And for the love of God, can Hasbro please name the remainder of the Original 13 something other than Prime? It's getting unimaginative.

But they're all Primes.

Though, I just wish they would include Logos Prime into the Thirteen, but every time they've been asked about him, Hasbro's answered in ways that imply that they've already gotten all 13 covered and didn't have any need for Logos. And I wanted so bad for him to be included. Especially how there's a guy who looks a LOT like him in this image: