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Agreed. Good mold but not really a Chromedome.

I like the colours quite a bit though.

I would rather a real headmaster gimimicked figure than a repaint anyways.

IDW Chromedome is not a Headmaster.

Headmasters in the IDW continuity are considered ghoulish, barbaric abominations not unlike what Silas did to Breakdown's corpse in Transformers: Prime.

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Sabrblade wrote:IDW Chromedome is not a Headmaster.

Headmasters in the IDW continuity are considered ghoulish, barbaric abominations not unlike what Silas did to Breakdown's corpse in Transformers: Prime.

I know that, but then we have a stylor, why is that? He isn't in the Idw comics. Guess its trying to homage the whole of Chromedome in one figure, which is enough for us to compare it to G1, which created chromedome in the first place. In short, shudup Sabrblade.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:IDW Chromedome is not a Headmaster.

Headmasters in the IDW continuity are considered ghoulish, barbaric abominations not unlike what Silas did to Breakdown's corpse in Transformers: Prime.

I know that, but then we have a stylor, why is that?

It's a neighboring universe that's heavily influenced by IDW G1, which also explains Chromedome's body.

And, my post was not aimed at you.

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:IDW Chromedome is not a Headmaster.

Headmasters in the IDW continuity are considered ghoulish, barbaric abominations not unlike what Silas did to Breakdown's corpse in Transformers: Prime.

I know that, but then we have a stylor, why is that?

It's a neighboring universe that's heavily influenced by IDW G1, which also explains Chromedome's body.

And, my post was not aimed at you.

Ah HAH, you said G1!
That's okay, I was just being a jerk anyway.

...IDW is G1. A G1, at least.

Sabrblade wrote::???:

...IDW is G1. A G1, at least.

Well, again, there isn't any Stylor in the IDW comics. Stylor, until being introduced into this comics continuity (if ever), is from the original G1. That is enough to start talking about headmasters and the desire to have a headmaster Chromedome that is updated and from Hasbro. Its really hair splitting and doesn't matter at all, but I am bored so why not.

Sabrblade wrote:IDW Chromedome is not a Headmaster.

Headmasters in the IDW continuity are considered ghoulish, barbaric abominations not unlike what Silas did to Breakdown's corpse in Transformers: Prime.

This is as much IDW Chromedome as the Jazz mold is IDW Nightbeat. All you really have is TF Prime Wheeljack painted in Chromedome colors with an IDW Chromedome head. A stand in at best. Thats why I referred to him as "not" Chromedome. Im not the only one here who thinks this figure is not much of a Chromedome. And at the Same price Code was if you went the BBTS route, this is no bargin.

Love it. Wish I could afford it. Hands down one of the best things I've seen from the TFCC. Love how the face is based on Roche's design.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

...IDW is G1. A G1, at least.

Well, again, there isn't any Stylor in the IDW comics. Stylor, until being introduced into this comics continuity (if ever), is from the original G1. That is enough to start talking about headmasters and the desire to have a headmaster Chromedome that is updated and from Hasbro. Its really hair splitting and doesn't matter at all, but I am bored so why not.

LOL, yeah, but what I was trying to get at was the world that this Chromedome comes from is meant to be a slightly alternate version of IDW G1, in which Chromedome has this body (but still has his IDW head) and Stylor as an ally.

Kinda like how the Wings Universe is a slightly alternate version of the G1 cartoon universe, only with some characters having bodies that differ from their cartoon bodies.

The Club simply wanted to throw Stylor in there but without intruding upon the IDW portrayal of the character as a non-Headmaster, and so worked him in in a way gives us him without remaking the non-HM character into a Headmaster.

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:IDW Chromedome is not a Headmaster.

Headmasters in the IDW continuity are considered ghoulish, barbaric abominations not unlike what Silas did to Breakdown's corpse in Transformers: Prime.

This is as much IDW Chromedome as the Jazz mold is IDW Nightbeat. All you really have is TF Prime Wheeljack painted in Chromedome colors with an IDW Chromedome head. A stand in at best. Thats why I referred to him as "not" Chromedome. Im not the only one here who thinks this figure is not much of a Chromedome. And at the Same price Code was if you went the BBTS route, this is no bargin.

It's a lot closer to IDW Chromedome than Code will ever be, at least.

And, it's quite possible that Nightbeat'll upgrade into a new body to match his new toy. Bumblebee and Starscream have both done so thus far.

That is sweet! So glad I signed up after much thought, if Barricade, Rewind and Treadshot turn out this well I am going to be very happy.

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

...IDW is G1. A G1, at least.

Well, again, there isn't any Stylor in the IDW comics. Stylor, until being introduced into this comics continuity (if ever), is from the original G1. That is enough to start talking about headmasters and the desire to have a headmaster Chromedome that is updated and from Hasbro. Its really hair splitting and doesn't matter at all, but I am bored so why not.

LOL, yeah, but what I was trying to get at was the world that this Chromedome comes from is meant to be a slightly alternate version of IDW G1, in which Chromedome has this body (but still has his IDW head) and Stylor as an ally.

Kinda like how the Wings Universe is a slightly alternate version of the G1 cartoon universe, only with some characters having bodies that differ from their cartoon bodies.

The Club simply wanted to throw Stylor in there but without intruding upon the IDW portrayal of the character as a non-Headmaster, and so worked him in in a way gives us him without remaking the non-HM character into a Headmaster.

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:IDW Chromedome is not a Headmaster.

Headmasters in the IDW continuity are considered ghoulish, barbaric abominations not unlike what Silas did to Breakdown's corpse in Transformers: Prime.

This is as much IDW Chromedome as the Jazz mold is IDW Nightbeat. All you really have is TF Prime Wheeljack painted in Chromedome colors with an IDW Chromedome head. A stand in at best. Thats why I referred to him as "not" Chromedome. Im not the only one here who thinks this figure is not much of a Chromedome. And at the Same price Code was if you went the BBTS route, this is no bargin.

It's a lot closer to IDW Chromedome than Code will ever be, at least.

And, it's quite possible that Nightbeat'll upgrade into a new body to match his new toy. Bumblebee and Starscream have both done so thus far.

Fair enough, he def looks more idw than anything.

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

...IDW is G1. A G1, at least.

Well, again, there isn't any Stylor in the IDW comics. Stylor, until being introduced into this comics continuity (if ever), is from the original G1. That is enough to start talking about headmasters and the desire to have a headmaster Chromedome that is updated and from Hasbro. Its really hair splitting and doesn't matter at all, but I am bored so why not.

LOL, yeah, but what I was trying to get at was the world that this Chromedome comes from is meant to be a slightly alternate version of IDW G1, in which Chromedome has this body (but still has his IDW head) and Stylor as an ally.

Kinda like how the Wings Universe is a slightly alternate version of the G1 cartoon universe, only with some characters having bodies that differ from their cartoon bodies.

The Club simply wanted to throw Stylor in there but without intruding upon the IDW portrayal of the character as a non-Headmaster, and so worked him in in a way gives us him without remaking the non-HM character into a Headmaster.

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:IDW Chromedome is not a Headmaster.

Headmasters in the IDW continuity are considered ghoulish, barbaric abominations not unlike what Silas did to Breakdown's corpse in Transformers: Prime.

This is as much IDW Chromedome as the Jazz mold is IDW Nightbeat. All you really have is TF Prime Wheeljack painted in Chromedome colors with an IDW Chromedome head. A stand in at best. Thats why I referred to him as "not" Chromedome. Im not the only one here who thinks this figure is not much of a Chromedome. And at the Same price Code was if you went the BBTS route, this is no bargin.

It's a lot closer to IDW Chromedome than Code will ever be, at least.

And, it's quite possible that Nightbeat'll upgrade into a new body to match his new toy. Bumblebee and Starscream have both done so thus far.

I would have to question whether TFCC is only saying "IDW" to escape the fans calling for an actual headmaster. It makes a great alabai saying he is "IDW". I wouldnt exactly call TFCC Barricade an IDW character either. (whether it is supposed to be TF Prime Barricade or classics Barricade using a TF Prime mold) The same thing with the action master homage using the Warpath mold and Catgut. That's G1, not IDW. With all that being said, it would be really sad if Hasbro changes Nightbeat's fiction to coinside with a lazy repaint. I can live with a Hasbro/TFCC Nightbeat that isnt a headmaster, but not with a Nightbeat who has the front end of a car for his chest. It's like GDO Wheelie. Sometimes it's hard to take lazy repaints/retools seriously just beccause their official.

Rated X wrote:I would have to question whether TFCC is only saying "IDW" to escape the fans calling for an actual headmaster.

IDW G1 Chromedome is more popular now than any Chromedome has ever been. People WANT IDW G1 Chromedome, but since Hasbro won't give it to them, the Club's doing this as the closest possible thing to it that they can give.

Rated X wrote:It makes a great alabai saying he is "IDW". I wouldnt exactly call TFCC Barricade an IDW character either. (whether it is supposed to be TF Prime Barricade or classics Barricade using a TF Prime mold)

Who would? That's meant to be TF: Prime Barricade (they just couldn't give him a new head):

Rated X wrote:The same thing with the action master homage using the Warpath mold and Catgut. That's G1, not IDW.

IDW G1 IS G1, dude. There is more than one G1 out there.

Rated X wrote:With all that being said, it would be really sad if Hasbro changes Nightbeat's fiction to coinside with a lazy repaint. I can live with a Hasbro/TFCC Nightbeat that isnt a headmaster, but not with a Nightbeat who has the front end of a car for his chest. It's like GDO Wheelie. Sometimes it's hard to take lazy repaints/retools seriously just beccause their official.

IDW G1 Nightbeat isn't a Headmaster either.

None of the characters who were Headmasters, Targetmasters, Powermasters, Action Masters, etc. in the 1980s are any of those things in the IDW G1 comics. Well, except one: Scorponok, who hasn't been seen since Ultra Magnus arrested him in "Maximum Dinobots", and his Headmaster partner, Machination leader Abraham Dante, has also been MIA (Lord Zarak died before he could undergo the Headmaster process).

The only other character who underwent any kind of "-Master" process was Sunstreaker, who had Hunter become his Headmaster. But ever since "All Hail Megatron", Sunstreaker was made back into being an ordinary non-Headmaster TF again, and Hunter was killed off by comic writer Shane McCarthy Sideswipe.

Such continuity
Many confuse
Much characters
So toy
Very wow
Too expense

gavinfuzzy wrote:Such continuity
Many confuse
Much characters
So toy
Very wow
Too expense

For a second, I thought you were making a rainbow-colored Haiku.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:I would have to question whether TFCC is only saying "IDW" to escape the fans calling for an actual headmaster.

IDW G1 Chromedome is more popular now than any Chromedome has ever been. People WANT IDW G1 Chromedome, but since Hasbro won't give it to them, the Club's doing this as the closest possible thing to it that they can give.

Rated X wrote:It makes a great alabai saying he is "IDW". I wouldnt exactly call TFCC Barricade an IDW character either. (whether it is supposed to be TF Prime Barricade or classics Barricade using a TF Prime mold)

Who would? That's meant to be TF: Prime Barricade (they just couldn't give him a new head):

Rated X wrote:The same thing with the action master homage using the Warpath mold and Catgut. That's G1, not IDW.

IDW G1 IS G1, dude. There is more than one G1 out there.

Rated X wrote:With all that being said, it would be really sad if Hasbro changes Nightbeat's fiction to coinside with a lazy repaint. I can live with a Hasbro/TFCC Nightbeat that isnt a headmaster, but not with a Nightbeat who has the front end of a car for his chest. It's like GDO Wheelie. Sometimes it's hard to take lazy repaints/retools seriously just beccause their official.

IDW G1 Nightbeat isn't a Headmaster either.
None of the characters who were Headmasters, Targetmasters, Powermasters, Action Masters, etc. in the 1980s are any of those things in the IDW G1 comics. Well, except one: Scorponok, who hasn't been seen since Ultra Magnus arrested him in "Maximum Dinobots", and his Headmaster partner, Machination leader Abraham Dante, has also been MIA (Lord Zarak died before he could undergo the Headmaster process).

The only other character who underwent any kind of "-Master" process was Sunstreaker, who had Hunter become his Headmaster. But ever since "All Hail Megatron", Sunstreaker was made back into being an ordinary non-Headmaster TF again, and Hunter was killed off by comic writer Shane McCarthy Sideswipe.

Im not doubting youre knowledge on IDW. I openly admit im not into comics since im not an avid reader. I try, but its very hard to get into. But to say IDW Chromedome is more popular than G1 Chromedome is an opinion. There is a reason FP Code sold out almost everywhere. Unless you conduct a survey, you really cant speak for the fandom. On barricade, theres no real proof that it was meant to be TF Prime barricade. We do know TFCC is incorporating TF Prime molds into the classics line. Or do you consider their upcoming Exclusive "TF Prime Transmutate" ? Is the membership figure meant to be "TF Prime" Rampage ? My personal opinion is they made them to be classics. And just like barricade neither of those have new head sculpts and feature a TF Prime head most likely for cost cutting reasons. Also as I stated before, having a Nightbeat with the hood of a car for his chest (Jazz mold) is just plain wrong. These are not true "IDW" versions of the characters. they're lazy repaints made from existing molds. You can use them on IDW or TF Prime shelves, but at the end of the day the subscription service is TFCC's version of the classic line. I wouldn't consider IDW to be G1. I would consider it to be a separate continuity that uses modified G1 characters. Just my opinion.

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Im not sure where you got that artwork of a "TF Prime" Barricade. Im assuming it is concept art similar to some of the animated artwork we have seen in the past. But Barricade was never in the TF Prime cartoon. I wouldn't know if TF Prime had a comic, Im assuming it didn't...

Some coding issues there. Hard to pick out which are you words and which are mine.

But I think I can make out which is which.

Rated X wrote:Im not doubting youre knowledge on IDW. I openly admit im not into comics since im not an avid reader. I try, but its very hard to get into. But to say IDW Chromedome is more popular than G1 Chromedome is an opinion.

In this present day and age, you would be hard-pressed to find a Chromedome fan who prefers a version of him that isn't the IDW G1 version over all other versions.

I'm talking of right now, when he is a big name character who has significant prominence and moreso than he ever did 27 years ago.

Rated X wrote:There is a reason FP Code sold out almost everywhere. Unless you conduct a survey, you really cant speak for the fandom.

And that toy sold out so quickly all thanks to IDW making G1 Chromedome popular again.

Rated X wrote:On barricade, theres no real proof that it was meant to be TF Prime barricade.

Yes there is. The Club made this comic that puts him in the Aligned Continuity, of which TF: Prime is a part of. We see Barricade along with FOC Ironfist and Barricade's Arms Micron Frenzy on Page 2 and Page 3.

Rated X wrote:We do know TFCC is incorporating TF Prime molds into the classics line. Or do you consider their upcoming Exclusive "TF Prime Transmutate" ? Is the membership figure meant to be "TF Prime" Rampage ?

Of course not. Those new Transmutate and Rampage figures represent alternate universe versions of the Beast Wars versions, who hail from a universe that has yet to be named but will finally be explored in this year's magazine comic story.

Rated X wrote:My personal opinion is they made them to be classics. And just like barricade neither of those have new head sculpts and feature a TF Prime head

Well, that opinion is a misnomer since the Club has already specified which characters these toys are and what continuities/universes they come from. They made the toys/characters, so they have final say.

And the Club will likely not make much of any more "Classics" toys since the Classicsverse that they all resided in got destroyed during the big Invasion event. Any more of those kinds of toys will either be characters of other worlds or the few survivors who managed to avoid dying along with their universe.

Sabrblade wrote:Some coding issues there. Hard to pick out which are you words and which are mine.

Fixed it on my laptop. posting from a cellphone is a pain in the ass. Check it out now...

Sabrblade wrote:Some coding issues there. Hard to pick out which are you words and which are mine.

I can read it just fine, though I'm on my mobile browser.

Rated X wrote:Also as I stated before, having a Nightbeat with the hood of a car for his chest (Jazz mold) is just plain wrong. These are not true "IDW" versions of the characters.

For Chromedome, this is a parallel universe version of the IDW version of the character. It's the same guy, but with a different body.

For Nightbeat, we'll just have to wait and see what Hasbro and IDW do if they decide to upgrade the character into a new body to reflect the Generations toy.

Rated X wrote:they're lazy repaints made from existing molds.

Well, for Chromedome, they had no choice but use an existing mold. The Club has no access to new molds that don't exist yet, and the fact that they even made this toy at all means that Hasbro has no plans for a new Chromedome figure any time soon.

So the options were "use an existing mold" or "don't make Chromedome at all".

Rated X wrote:You can use them on IDW or TF Prime shelves, but at the end of the day the subscription service is TFCC's version of the classic line.

Despite the Club's reputational habit of making toys that represent specific versions of characters instead of just generalized versions like the Classics line was?

It is evident that you don't understand the Club's mindset (not saying that I do fully, but I at least get the gist of how they think).

Rated X wrote:I wouldn't consider IDW to be G1. I would consider it to be a separate continuity that uses modified G1 characters. Just my opinion.

The Club has canonized IDW as a G1 continuity. There is more than one G1 continuity. That is official, not opinion.

Rated X wrote:Im not sure where you got that artwork of a "TF Prime" Barricade. Im assuming it is concept art similar to some of the animated artwork we have seen in the past. But Barricade was never in the TF Prime cartoon. I wouldn't know if TF Prime had a comic, Im assuming it didn't...

It's from the Transformers: Prime MMO game Transformers Universe, in which we also saw Prowl's artwork years before he would ever get a toy.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Also as I stated before, having a Nightbeat with the hood of a car for his chest (Jazz mold) is just plain wrong. These are not true "IDW" versions of the characters.

For Chromedome, this is a parallel universe version of the IDW version of the character. It's the same guy, but with a different body.

For Nightbeat, we'll just have to wait and see what Hasbro and IDW do if they decide to upgrade the character into a new body to reflect the Generations toy.

Rated X wrote:they're lazy repaints made from existing molds.

Well, for Chromedome, they had no choice but use an existing mold. The Club has no access to new molds that don't exist yet, and the fact that they even made this toy at all means that Hasbro has no plans for a new Chromedome figure any time soon.

So the options were "use an existing mold" or "don't make Chromedome at all".

Rated X wrote:You can use them on IDW or TF Prime shelves, but at the end of the day the subscription service is TFCC's version of the classic line.

Despite the Club's reputational habit of making toys that represent specific versions of characters instead of just generalized versions like the Classics line was?

It is evident that you don't understand the Club's mindset (not saying that I do fully, but I at least get the gist of how they think).

Rated X wrote:I wouldn't consider IDW to be G1. I would consider it to be a separate continuity that uses modified G1 characters. Just my opinion.

The Club has canonized IDW as a G1 continuity. There is more than one G1 continuity. That is official, not opinion.

Rated X wrote:Im not sure where you got that artwork of a "TF Prime" Barricade. Im assuming it is concept art similar to some of the animated artwork we have seen in the past. But Barricade was never in the TF Prime cartoon. I wouldn't know if TF Prime had a comic, Im assuming it didn't...

It's from the Transformers: Prime MMO game Transformers Universe, in which we also saw Prowl's artwork years before he would ever get a toy.

I got an interesting thought…

If repainting TF Prime Prowl creates “TF Prime Barricade”, wouldn’t repainting TF Prime Wheeljack create “TF Prime Chromedome” ?

I’m not sure if anyone really knows what the club intended because they didn’t advertise what continuity the figures are supposed to be from. They just refer to them as “Chromedome” and “Barricade” in the magazine. Funpub doesn’t acknowledge the existence of 3rd party figures (Code) so my guess they see this release as the first update Chromedome has ever gottn. They probably gave it G1 colors and an IDW head so it has the best of both worlds. (like Generations Blurr) The club has always been about using existing molds to make “classics” versions of obscure characters. (Dion, Sideburn, Punch, Runamuck, etc) And that’s not even looking at the Botcon figures which are virtually all classics themed with the exception of SG and Animated sets.

I don’t know what MMO means. Is that a video game or some online role playing game ? But the picture you posted of Prowl doesn’t really look like the Prowl mold in my opinion. It might be loosely based on the artwork, but definitely not accurate in the same way the WFC/FOC figures were to their respective artwork.

I would leave the opinion of IDW truly being G1 open to interpretation. If I get a job with Hasbro tomorrow and design my own take on classics characters, does that make them G1? The point I’m getting at is that just because its official doesn’t make it G1. At best, the IDW continuity is a reboot of the original G1 continuity. I would consider it G1 if they kept the characters original aesthetics and picked up where the Rebirth left off. But creating their own fiction and aesthetics makes IDW a G1 reboot. An official reboot, but still a reboot. Once again, this is my opinion. Those who are more loyal to today’s Hasbro than I am might feel differently.

Rated X wrote:I got an interesting thought…

If repainting TF Prime Prowl creates “TF Prime Barricade”, wouldn’t repainting TF Prime Wheeljack create “TF Prime Chromedome” ?

It's not that they redecoed a Prime mold into another character. It's that they redecoed a mold into being a specific character. They weren't trying to create a generic, unspecified version of Barricade, but specifically Prime Barricade.

Rated X wrote:I’m not sure if anyone really knows what the club intended because they didn’t advertise what continuity the figures are supposed to be from.

Yes they did. They did so via this comic and via conversations on places like Twitter and forums like Allspark.com. And the toy's bios will undoubtedly reflect this, just as the first year's Subscription Service toy bios and comics all pegged those toys as specific characters too.

Rated X wrote:Funpub doesn’t acknowledge the existence of 3rd party figures (Code) so my guess they see this release as the first update Chromedome has ever gottn. They probably gave it G1 colors and an IDW head so it has the best of both worlds. (like Generations Blurr) The club has always been about using existing molds to make “classics” versions of obscure characters. (Dion, Sideburn, Punch, Runamuck, etc) And that’s not even looking at the Botcon figures which are virtually all classics themed with the exception of SG and Animated sets.

Dion, Side Burn, Punch, and Runamuck are all Wings Universe character toys.

Rated X wrote:I don’t know what MMO means. Is that a video game or some online role playing game ?

"MMO" is short for "Massively Multiplayer Online Game". Though, thinking more about, I guess the more correct term for wht this game is exactly would be "MOBA", "Multiplayer online battle arena"

Rated X wrote:But the picture you posted of Prowl doesn’t really look like the Prowl mold in my opinion. It might be loosely based on the artwork, but definitely not accurate in the same way the WFC/FOC figures were to their respective artwork.

That's because that Prowl artwork predates the Prowl toys by several years. Instead of creating new toy mold to better match that Prowl artwork, Hasbro went the cheaper route of just reusing the Smokescreen mold, but with a new lightbar and a head based on that art.

Though, interestingly enough, the WFC Prowl design also uses that head design:

Rated X wrote:I would leave the opinion of IDW truly being G1 open to interpretation. If I get a job with Hasbro tomorrow and design my own take on classics characters, does that make them G1? The point I’m getting at is that just because its official doesn’t make it G1. At best, the IDW continuity is a reboot of the original G1 continuity. I would consider it G1 if they kept the characters original aesthetics and picked up where the Rebirth left off. But creating their own fiction and aesthetics makes IDW a G1 reboot. An official reboot, but still a reboot. Once again, this is my opinion. Those who are more loyal to today’s Hasbro than I am might feel differently.

See, this is the problem. You're thinking of "G1" as referring to just one thing: The Sunbow cartoon.

The term "G1" refers to more than one thing:

• While it does refer to the Sunbow cartoon universe, it also refers to
• The Marvel comics universes (which both came out before the cartoon and outlived the cartoon)
• The Japanese cartoon universe
• The Dreamwave comics universe
• The Blackthorne comics universe(s)
• The main IDW comics universe
• The IDW "Hearts of Steel" comic universe
• The IDW Regeneration One comics universe (which itself is a splinter timeline from one of the Marvel comics timelines)
• The 1984-1992 toy bios
• Other more obscure works of fiction from 1984-1992
• Other post-1992 works of fiction written to take place new G1 universes
• The fictional continuity family that all of the above exist in
• The era that the Hasbro-owned brand was in during 1984-1992
• The franchise that existed in the brand during the 1984-1992 era
• The toyline of the franchise from the 1984-1992 era
• And many many more things

The term does not exclusively refer to just specifically the Sunbow cartoon, and you're refusal to acknowledge anything that you don't like the sound of is what's making this difficult.

Sabrblade wrote::???:

...IDW is G1. A G1, at least.

LOL, here we go again.

This new series is G3. Can't be G1. G1 happened 30 years ago. G2 25 years ago. Saying what you have said is an oxymoron. You can't call something generation one that occurred in the past.