The Energon Pub

As history has proven time and time again, history is written by the victors, and the Autobots eventually triumphed over the Decepticons in the conflict, informing the galaxy of the Decepticon abuses of power and war crimes.

Little is mentioned of the Autobot war crimes, however- it is assumed they do not exist, but what if they did exist, and were merely covered up by the victorious Autobots?

I doubt the Autobots fully evacuated Paradron before blowing it up, for instance. They may have saved those that were convenient to save, but it's certainly possible that entire villages and possibly primitive civilizations were leveled wholesale by Autobot fury.

What you say could be true but I doubt that the crime did exist.

As Primal in the BW said, only a few decepticons were granted amnesty, so I assume that the autobots mercilessly killed a lot of decepticons when they had the victory.


In Energon, the autobots blowed up an ancient historical town just to win some time.

Iacon Times:

Arcee Sent Home due to Freindly Fire..

I mean we all know that Autobots may not be as moral as you may think... I belive it was in The Gambler where Bluestreak cheats at the casino to win more energon, and then when Prime saves him they all decide it would be a great idea to go into the casino to see how their "luck" is....

kuhlio wrote:Iacon Times:

Arcee Sent Home due to Freindly Fire..

I mean we all know that Autobots may not be as moral as you may think... I belive it was in The Gambler where Bluestreak cheats at the casino to win more energon, and then when Prime saves him they all decide it would be a great idea to go into the casino to see how their "luck" is....

actually that was smokescreen but i can see why u would confuse them

This is a perfectly valid topic. Is it possible that most folks have fallen for Autobot propaganda? Of course, this probably sounds half-assed coming from a Decepticon...

"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings"

Provided you don't do anything that the Autobots don't like.

The Autobots are as corrupt as the Jedi. They go around enforcing their beliefs onto others, "don't do this, don't do that, that's the wrong thing to do".

Read the Megatron Origin comic and just see how corrupt the Autobots really are and what they think of their lower class citizens.

They would have committed many "war crimes" and covered them up. They're not the peace loving do-gooders their propoganda says they are.

...is this an act?

thats why i dont read the comics they are badly written to me anyway
the cartoon is where the rite writing is used for the most part

I'm sure they didn't make it public knowledge that they didn't decide to kill Wheelie or Danciel.

Burn wrote:"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings"

I always thought it was a bit odd that that is the motto of an unelected leader. How can the Autobots defend freedom and democracy on other worlds but not practice it themselves?

Basketball Jones wrote:I doubt the Autobots fully evacuated Paradron before blowing it up, for instance. They may have saved those that were convenient to save, but it's certainly possible that entire villages and possibly primitive civilizations were leveled wholesale by Autobot fury.

Yeah, also Rodimus gave the order to destroy the whole planet after less than a day fighting. Think about how long real wars last over much smaller areas of land. Think about how long the Cybertronian war lasted. One day seems a bit unrealistic doesn't it? I know Paradron had a lot of energon reserves and the Decepticons could misuse it and blah blah but there were what, 40 loyal Decepticons left in season 3? Dont tell me the Autobots couldn't defeat them if they were willing to commit the resources! The horrible truth is that Rodimus didn't get a crap about Paradron or its people and gave the order to destroy the planet because it was easier. Oh yeah and lets not forget his words of comfort to the survivors: "Well Cybertrons a better place anyway, it's not so... perfect!" Yeah, way to rub in the fact that you've destroyed their utopia and now they have to live on your mostly ruined world.

Burn wrote:"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings"

Provided you don't do anything that the Autobots don't like.

The Autobots are as corrupt as the Jedi. They go around enforcing their beliefs onto others, "don't do this, don't do that, that's the wrong thing to do".

Read the Megatron Origin comic and just see how corrupt the Autobots really are and what they think of their lower class citizens.

They would have committed many "war crimes" and covered them up. They're not the peace loving do-gooders their propoganda says they are.

I didn't think Origin was out yet. It looks really cool.
I'm sure the Autobots have done some pretty nasty things in their time. Like the time Kup laced the Decepticons' energon goodies with acid...which never happened...but it would have been dastardly if it had.

All origin did was show that the Autobots weren't without bad apples, just like the Decepticons.

In no way did it paint a negative broad brush over the entire government.

Hi-Q wrote:All origin did was show that the Autobots weren't without bad apples, just like the Decepticons.

In no way did it paint a negative broad brush over the entire government.

ahhhh but you see, most people believe that the Autobots aren't without "bad apples". That they're perfect, that they represent equality, that all beings are equal.

THAT is the propoganda that the Autobots have preached and it's LIES.

It's no secret that the Decepticons have bad apples, probably because that's expected of them!

Burn wrote:

Hi-Q wrote:All origin did was show that the Autobots weren't without bad apples, just like the Decepticons.

In no way did it paint a negative broad brush over the entire government.

ahhhh but you see, most people believe that the Autobots aren't without "bad apples". That they're perfect, that they represent equality, that all beings are equal.

THAT is the propoganda that the Autobots have preached and it's LIES.

It's no secret that the Decepticons have bad apples, probably because that's expected of them!

Except that a Decepticon 'bad apple', that is, some one who is bad at their job (being evil?) would be, as a bad apple.. good? Confusing..

Burn: And do you know why bad apples are expected of the Decepticons? Because a good Decepticon is almost an oxymoron. Decepticons as a rule are nothing more than a pack of predators, led by the one ofmost evil predator the Transformers galaxy has known: Megatron. Anyone willing to follow a leader (despot) whose mottos are "Peace Through Tyranny" and "Everything is Fodder" is obviously a morally corrupt creep.

Back to the Autobot atrocity thing, I'm willing to bet that there were a few, but only on a low level (the only high-level one I can think of is the Paradron issue, which WAS bad (also note that Optimus was dead as a doornail at this point)). A leader like Optimus Prime wouldn't sanction anything like that, and I'm certain that he would make damn sure that his underlings didn't, either.

Oh, and whoever was saying that the Autobots lie about they don't do anything wrong? I don't mean to be rude, but some common sense would be appropriate. The Autobots aren't perfect. God knows Optimus wasn't (see Heavy Metal War). Occasionally there are bad apples. I have never heard an Autobot say that there aren't bad apples in his faction.

As an aside, it isn't Optimus's fault he wasn't elected. It's possible for a king to be a great guy. I would definitely prefer him over somebody like the average Decepticon.

Mr. Kemp wrote:Burn: And do you know why bad apples are expected of the Decepticons? Because a good Decepticon is almost an oxymoron. Decepticons as a rule are nothing more than a pack of predators, led by the one ofmost evil predator the Transformers galaxy has known: Megatron. Anyone willing to follow a leader (despot) whose mottos are "Peace Through Tyranny" and "Everything is Fodder" is obviously a morally corrupt creep.

See, I don't entirely agree with this.

You're generalising far too much. Sure, some 'Cons are nothing more than common thugs, predators if you want to call them that.

But you'll find there are others who got tired of Autobot oppression and some who believe it is Cybertron's right to control the galaxy.

Now human nature tells us this is wrong, that everyone has a right to their own existence. And that's all fine and dandy. But to me, the Autobots go around forcing THEIR beliefs onto the rest of Cybertron. Because the Decepticons do not share those beliefs they are therefore automatically, evil.

So who really is the evil faction?

The faction that wants to expand Cybertron's sphere of control, the faction that wants to live freely and not under the oppressive control of another faction.

Or the faction that oppresses it's a portion of it's fellow Cybertronians simply because they disagree with their moral righteousness?

The decepticon dogma probably started on good intensions. Rock the morally corrupt establishment if I do say so myself. Why then would Jetfire or even yet, the logical Shockwave join the group if not for its moral agenda? But somehow, somewhere down the line it got corrupted.

I am gonna take a lot of flack for this but to name real world examples;

1. Christianity and the other known religion from the Middle East

2. National Socialism

3. Communism

4. Rock and Roll

5. Democracy

6. Global Warming

7. PETA

8. Environmental Activism

ETC

He's right. At least, that's the way I see it.

Things started off with noble intentions but then people got corrupt.

Burn wrote:"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings"

Provided you don't do anything that the Autobots don't like.

The Autobots are as corrupt as the Jedi. They go around enforcing their beliefs onto others, "don't do this, don't do that, that's the wrong thing to do".

Read the Megatron Origin comic and just see how corrupt the Autobots really are and what they think of their lower class citizens.

They would have committed many "war crimes" and covered them up. They're not the peace loving do-gooders their propoganda says they are.

Insight like this could cause some people to compare the Autobots to us Americans.

I dunno. To me, pointing out Autobot war crimes is like pointing out Allied war crimes during the second world war. The only thing it proves is that they were the "not so bad guys" compared to their enemies. I'm sure most people would have preferred living with the Autobots over enslavement and eventual extermination by the Decepticons.

As for the Autobots having rotten apples? Come on! Who didn't know it all along? The Autobots had characters like the Dinobots in their ranks.

And the Decepticon cause eventually going corrupt? Makes sense. I remember one of Megatron's first lines in the Marvel comics accusing the Autobots of getting in the way of those who have brought "peace and plenty" to Cybertron.

Burn: I have a couple of questions for you: First, how in the heck were the Autobots oppressing everyone? I've never seen any case involving Autobot oppression. Secondly, are you telling me that the majority of Decepticons are just misunderstood? Come on, man... If that were the case, then why do the Decepticons take such pleasure in tormenting Autobots and humans?

First - Megatron Origins. There's your oppression right there.

Second - I'm not saying any are misunderstood. I'm saying some are thugs, and some simply don't like Autobot beliefs and oppose them. They choose to be the Decepticons because they're the "lesser of two evils".

Grimlock86 wrote:As Primal in the BW said, only a few decepticons were granted amnesty, so I assume that the autobots mercilessly killed a lot of decepticons when they had the victory.


In Energon, the autobots blowed up an ancient historical town just to win some time.

I think that those who werent't given amnesty where executed. The Deception/Predacon aren't 100% evil, just like the Autobot aren't 100% Good.

In the Post-Great War era of Beast Wars, the Predacon wheren't kindly treated. They where second-cless citizen. There situation was kinda close to freshly-liberated slave...i think...

Burn: I have a couple of questions for you: First, how in the heck were the Autobots oppressing everyone? I've never seen any case involving Autobot oppression. Secondly, are you telling me that the majority of Decepticons are just misunderstood? Come on, man... If that were the case, then why do the Decepticons take such pleasure in tormenting Autobots and humans?

EDIT: How the heck did this happen? If it were a double-post, you'd think that the two posts would be right next to each other. Anyway, I'll try to get my hands on Megatron: Origin. By the way, you didn't answer my third question, the one regarding tormenting Autobots and humans.

The oppression angle doesn't work primarily because the decepticons are evn MORE oppressive than the Autobots.

Optimus Prime doesn't want to be king of anybody. Megatron wants to not only be king of cybertron, but everything he surveys.

No question which side is more oppressive.