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News Credits: 34 · by **Superwheeljack** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:04 am

Okay, I have a question. Why do people hate him so much. I love the figure, but the wfc version......
I just want to see peoples opinions on why they like one over another.
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News Credits: 2 · by **Twitchythe3rd** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:18 am

He's small and hollow.

News Credits: 34 · by **Superwheeljack** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:27 am

My complaint with foc: yes he is small. Arms, especially on mine, are loose
My complaint with WFC: these pieces left on his back. Way too bulky. Face sculpt is weird.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:37 am

I have nothing against him.

by **RAcast** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:06 am

He's small and hollow and they're charging SO MUCH more for something of such obviously lower quality. The sculpt itself is good, but I would NEVER pay full retail for it.

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:47 am

Not the best but definitely not any worse than the "Tomy gun" version.

by **Valandar** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:12 am

FOC Prime is NOT hated. Some hate him, yes, but I actually like him BETTER than WFC or War Within Titanium Prime.

by **RAcast** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:36 am

Valandar wrote:FOC Prime is NOT hated. Some hate him, yes, but I actually like him BETTER than WFC or War Within Titanium Prime.

Agreed, I'd say overall opinion hovers somewhere in the middle on the whole. Like I said, great -looking- mold, but the quality is horrendous. The good offsets the bad such that it's just kinda...meh. >:oP

News Credits: 12 · by **GuyIncognito** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:41 am

He's small and hollow, but even if it were larger and more solid, I think it would still be ugly. I just don't like the design.

News Credits: 1 · by **njb902** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:19 am

I don't hate him, I do not however like his shoulder articulation or his fiddly waist.

Website · by **Flux Convoy** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:23 am

I was under the impression that it was because Prime underwent a body change between games for no apparent reason. It was unnecessary and IMO a turn for the worse. I liked the body he had in WFC and the figure. I don't have FOC Optimus yet, I'm gonna pick up a bunch of the recent Takara deluxes at Botcon. I am looking forward to getting the figure and satisfying my own curiosity though.

News Credits: 15 · by **PrymeStriker** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:48 am

I expected the cliché "small and hollow" complaint before I even opened this thread. :roll:

I like FoC Optimus. He's incredibly articulated (aside from some points in the shoulder) and I love his paint job. His transformation is fun and I can find all kinds of cool poses for him without even trying. Why some others have trouble bringing point to anything else aside the "cheap quality" is beyond me.

News Credits: 1 · by **RhA** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:00 am

He's a good figure. Nice and simple and yes, fun to transform.

News Credits: 12 · by **GuyIncognito** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:54 am

PrymeStriker wrote: Why some others have trouble bringing point to anything else aside the "cheap quality" is beyond me.

Isn't cheap quality reason enough to hate it? I think it is. Aside from the fiction and marketing that support the line, it's product quality that separates Hasbro Transformers from all the crappy knock-off transforming toys. If all TFs were of the same quality as FOC Optimus and Jazz, I would not be a TF collector.

News Credits: 15 · by **PrymeStriker** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:40 am

GuyIncognito wrote:Isn't cheap quality reason enough to hate it?

In that case, let's just get a big ball of plastic and see if we can poke holes through it.

The way I see it, if you can find diamonds in the rough (i.e PRiD Vehicon), then you've clearly ignored plastic quality and found other aspects intriguing. Below, you mention Optimus and Jazz alone. Do you hate all FoC Deluxes? They're nearly all made of cheap plastic.

If all TFs were of the same quality as FOC Optimus and Jazz, I would not be a TF collector.

News Credits: 461 · by **mooncake623** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:15 am

He's small but I like it. I have 3 versions of this mold that I brought at full retail. Hasbro OP (15.99), Hasbro UM (15.99), Takara UM (37). I don't feel like it's money wasted.

News Credits: 650 · by **ScottyP** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:55 am

Other than the size, I have no problem with it. I actually bought a second while they were on sale, because I needed a deskformer and it got rid of a peg warmer at a local store

by **Rodimus the Prime** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:48 pm

I don't hate the figure at all, I love it. It's really fun to transform and pose. And it looks fantastic with a bit of a paint wash on it and some new stickers.

But...yes, it's too small. As much as I enjoy the figure, I feel it would have been better to use the tooling dollars on a character we've not had, like FoC Perceptor, Warpath, or Ironhide. Optimus should be a Voyager. He should only ever be Voyager sized. That should be the rule with the big-cheese characters, like Op, Megs and Shock...Voyager only!

by **Prime Riblet** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:06 pm

I liked the WFC figure a LOT, and I think the FOC figure is a bit of a downgrade from the WFC design. I would think more highly of the FOC figure if I hadn't already thought so highly of the WFC design.

News Credits: 34 · by **Superwheeljack** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:06 pm

I think if someone fixed the head, and gave him new arms and legs, we could have a good Orion Pax

by **RAcast** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:20 pm

Superwheeljack wrote:I think if someone fixed the head, and gave him new arms and legs, we could have a good Orion Pax

But we have a GREAT Orion Pax coming up! :grin:

News Credits: 34 · by **Superwheeljack** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:00 pm

The upcoming Orion pax doesn't look good. Megatron and bee too. Trail breaker looks cool

News Credits: 12 · by **GuyIncognito** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:06 pm

Superwheeljack wrote:The upcoming Orion pax doesn't look good.

You crazy? It looks great. A lot better than a repaint of FOC OP would look.

News Credits: 1452 · by **Blurrz** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:20 pm

The figure could use some beef to it, but w/e, I'll just be content that Hasbro at least 'tried' with FoC toys.

News Credits: 4 · by **craggy** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:12 pm

I never like the redesign from the awesome WFC look in the first place. That the new one is about half the size was another reason to dislike it. It looks damn good as Ultra Magnus, but since he's so titchy my personal fanon has this as "mini" Magnum before he gets the "Apex Armour" that makes him Ultra.