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I like the looks of it, I think the combination of him and Leader Prime is a little odd, perhaps if they'd made a deluxe Prime it would have fit better scalewise?

No, Jetfire should be reoughly 3 to 4 times the size of movie Optimus. Optimus is 28 feet tall and an SR-71 Blackbird is over 100 feet long as a jet. Once we get the proper dimensions of the toy's robot mode we will know more about their scale differences, but they are no where near in scale. It might be more accurate if this toy combined with the Voyager or FAB Optimus Prime toys.

Prime Riblet wrote:....It is not perfect, but the alt mode is just about perfect. I will add it to the very short list of ROTF figures that I plan on getting. Him and Sideswipe at this point.

Ditto here. And probably the new Prime since I love semi trucks and am a huge sucker...

Either way, at only 3 that's really going to help my wallet!

Iron Prime wrote:

Prime Riblet wrote:....It is not perfect, but the alt mode is just about perfect. I will add it to the very short list of ROTF figures that I plan on getting. Him and Sideswipe at this point.

Ditto here. And probably the new Prime since I love semi trucks and am a huge sucker...

Either way, at only 3 that's really going to help my wallet!

I hear ya there, IP. I'm kind of on the fence about the new Prime. I really want that figure badly, but I don't know if I will spend the cash for a Leader-class character I already have. We will see though. I'm also a sucker, hahaha.

i hope the walkin stick comes off and is not fixed to his hand as that's really lame

JaZzTaStIc wrote:i hope the walkin stick comes off and is not fixed to his hand as that's really lame

It has best be detachable. But the more I muse on it the more I kinda like the cane....

Will jetfire combine with the original movie Prime leaderclass or will only with rotf prime

Overloaded wrote:Will jetfire combine with the original movie Prime leaderclass or will only with rotf prime

Well actually thanks to a series of carefully crafted joints and connectors, he's capable of merging with anyone from the smallest Micromaster to Unicron himself. You haven't lived until you've seen Erector reach his giant size, or Tracks with another mechs limbs and parts closely encircling him. Thanks to his delicate engineering he NO-ONE BLOODY KNOWS, IT'S JUST A PHOTO IN A BOX!

Diem wrote:

Overloaded wrote:Will jetfire combine with the original movie Prime leaderclass or will only with rotf prime

Well actually thanks to a series of carefully crafted joints and connectors, he's capable of merging with anyone from the smallest Micromaster to Unicron himself. You haven't lived until you've seen Erector reach his giant size, or Tracks with another mechs limbs and parts closely encircling him. Thanks to his delicate engineering he NO-ONE BLOODY KNOWS, IT'S JUST A PHOTO IN A BOX!

thanks time will tell and my nephew has his birthday in june but wants the movie toys and animated . I want him to stick with animated

So...he can scan an advanced military jet/weapon, convert all of his ancient componets to a sleek dynamic vehicle that can travel at sub-sonic speeds, but can't correct an old football injury in the process? (Well, hell, I suppose if Bumblebee couldn't fix himself during scan/conversion...maybe I'm wrong. At any rate, it's still stupid.)

Look, they're just giving him the cane because without it, there's no way to distinguish him as 'old'.

It's not a case of G1-ism, or movie hate. This is a dumb concept and it's getting called on it.

Just as much as old time fans can't call back and return 1984's designs to the screen, live action movie fans have to not defend every aspect of the new movies as "progress".

Counterpunch wrote:
Look, they're just giving him the cane because without it, there's no way to distinguish him as 'old'.

Is it okay that I recognise that but still like it?

Diem wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:
Look, they're just giving him the cane because without it, there's no way to distinguish him as 'old'.

Is it okay that I recognise that but still like it?

I feel you should be allowed to live. But only CP can conclusively rule on this....

Counterpunch wrote:So...he can scan an advanced military jet/weapon, convert all of his ancient componets to a sleek dynamic vehicle that can travel at sub-sonic speeds, but can't correct an old football injury in the process? (Well, hell, I suppose if Bumblebee couldn't fix himself during scan/conversion...maybe I'm wrong. At any rate, it's still stupid.)

Look, they're just giving him the cane because without it, there's no way to distinguish him as 'old'.

It's not a case of G1-ism, or movie hate. This is a dumb concept and it's getting called on it.

Just as much as old time fans can't call back and return 1984's designs to the screen, live action movie fans have to not defend every aspect of the new movies as "progress".

I want to have this post's babies.

Prime Riblet wrote:

quetzalcoatl wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

syphonn wrote:So why choose the SR-71 form? Why would a cane assisted robot choose the form of an aircraft that travels in excess of 2000 mph. Its an awesome aircraft, but it makes for a terrible alt-mode and contradicts Bays argument for realism.

Reasons? Mass and size considerations maybe; when did he land? What was nearby? Personal preferences involved? The fact that the plane was no longer in use may have led to that decision. In that case, what did he do with the original? Another thing, walking and flying are two different modes of transportation. Walking requires more physical effort...flying relies on the lift from the wings and very few moving parts, relatively.

Lets also not forget that (in the movie) Jetfire is supposedly 'discovered' in a museum.

What better place for a transformer to hide for decades than as a public display piece?


as a side note, I'd like to state that Yoda also used a cane... and could kick serious butt when needed.

you beat me to it, and i didn't even see it. the yoda comment is all yours, dude! let me just say-i second you Yoda comment!

No worries mate, Great minds think alike!





I'm suprised at all the people getting bent out of shape over a landing gear/cane!



How about seeing it in use in the movie before passing final judgement.

quetzalcoatl wrote:I'm suprised at all the people getting bent out of shape over a landing gear/cane!

How about seeing it in use in the movie before passing final judgement.

I've seen House before.

I know how this "cane" stuff works.

Counterpunch wrote:

quetzalcoatl wrote:I'm suprised at all the people getting bent out of shape over a landing gear/cane!

How about seeing it in use in the movie before passing final judgement.

I've seen House before.

I know how this "cane" stuff works.

Comment on House duly noted. You hold the same logic to Yoda?


I mean, whereas House is supposed to be a human, we're talking about giant frikkin robots here!


One person mentioned a scanner but not able to fix an injury.
Would the technology have existed for him to be able to adequately repair his advanced mechanics? If the answer is no, then what better place to hide/lie in wait for help than in a museum?

After all, the best place to hide something is out in the open.



Sounds vaguely familiar... wasn't G1 Jetfire originally found dormant in an icepack after crashlanding/ getting injured?

quetzalcoatl wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

quetzalcoatl wrote:I'm suprised at all the people getting bent out of shape over a landing gear/cane!

How about seeing it in use in the movie before passing final judgement.

I've seen House before.

I know how this "cane" stuff works.

Comment on House duly noted. You hold the same logic to Yoda?

How high is Jetfire's Midichlorian count? Hrm?

I mean, if we're factoring in hokey religions and fantastic mental magic here...

Besides, Yoda can't reformat his body and adapt via scanning to his environment.

He's old. He has a cane. The cane reminds stupid people that he's old. I'm sure Jetfire is just as bad-ass as Yoda is. It doesn't make a giant robot with fantastic powers and less stupid for having a cane.

How about we give Optimus a pipe to smoke since he's the father figure?

Or, how about Ironhide gets a big cowboy hat since he's the roughneck-roughle toughle gunslinger?

Bumblebee gets a skateboard while we're at it because he's young and hip.

Jazz might as well die because he's the token black...guy...and Hollywood always...aw crap.

Counterpunch wrote:Jazz might as well die because he's the token black...guy...and Hollywood always...aw crap.

But Epps made it through the movie too! Maybe Bay can't even get racist stereotypes right?

Iron Prime wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:Jazz might as well die because he's the token black...guy...and Hollywood always...aw crap.

But Epps made it through the movie too! Maybe Bay can't even get racist stereotypes right?

For the record, I don't have any problem with Bay and I very much enjoyed the first movie.

Counterpunch wrote:

Iron Prime wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:Jazz might as well die because he's the token black...guy...and Hollywood always...aw crap.

But Epps made it through the movie too! Maybe Bay can't even get racist stereotypes right?

For the record, I don't have any problem with Bay and I very much enjoyed the first movie.

I don't have a problem with Bay either, and also enjoyed the fist movie as well. I just couldn't resist following along the pun and needed a scapegoat...


I find the whole cane uproar to be rather amusing to be honest. It may actually kinda work in the movie even; if we're lucky. Maybe the cane came about after he re-formatted? (i.e. the landing gear didn't turn into anything else, so rather than kibble he separated it and used it as a make-shift cane?, or maybe he didn't have much energy for a reformat so he couldn't fix the whole joint/leg and just opted for cane?)
For that matter why do some of the TF's have "built in" weapons and some have them separate? Built-in seems like a much better choice (Can't get lost, can't be knocked from your grip, etc...)

So, CP, did you happen to scan through my earlier posts in this thread? I was in my twenties when I was using a cane. I seriously doubt that even young teens thought me old due to the fact that I was using a cane. The fact that someone would have needed a firearm to rob me, even though I looked like an easy mark, would also serve to blow the "old and/or infirm" theory all to hell, since the short staff is my second most proficient weapon. I find the implications applied to Jetfires need for his cane insulting. Age does NOT have to be the only factor involved here and the fact that apparently NOBODY on this damn thread bothered to read any of my earlier posts displays a very large degree of narrowmindedness. Had any of my earlier arguments been addressed I doubt that folks would still be displaying such a high degree of ignorance. Like I mentioned before, if I come across any of you out in the woods who are injured and too dumb to improvise a cane or crutch from a stick or from your own supplies, I'll leave your asses for the bears! If folks are too dumb to figure Jetfires age without the cane as a visual, I'll drag their dumb asses out to the woods and feed them to the bears! Same with all those who insist on insulting the injured. You folks don't know sh** until you've been in our shoes.

T-Macksimus wrote:So, CP, did you happen to scan through my earlier posts in this thread? I was in my twenties when I was using a cane. I seriously doubt that even young teens thought me old due to the fact that I was using a cane. The fact that someone would have needed a firearm to rob me, even though I looked like an easy mark, would also serve to blow the "old and/or infirm" theory all to hell, since the short staff is my second most proficient weapon. I find the implications applied to Jetfires need for his cane insulting. Age does NOT have to be the only factor involved here and the fact that apparently NOBODY on this damn thread bothered to read any of my earlier posts displays a very large degree of narrowmindedness. Had any of my earlier arguments been addressed I doubt that folks would still be displaying such a high degree of ignorance. Like I mentioned before, if I come across any of you out in the woods who are injured and too dumb to improvise a cane or crutch from a stick or from your own supplies, I'll leave your asses for the bears! If folks are too dumb to figure Jetfires age without the cane as a visual, I'll drag their dumb asses out to the woods and feed them to the bears! Same with all those who insist on insulting the injured. You folks don't know sh** until you've been in our shoes.

eh, your personal example does not a generalization make.

I'm sorry that your situation requires the use of a cane and I can understand that it presents you with many different hardships.

All things considered, you're hardly a typical case of cane usage. You really don't have any place getting offended in this situation. No one is saying derisive things against the disabled.

And as for 'dragging dumb asses out into the woords'.

Whatever.

Past tense. I no longer require the use of a cane. As for the leaving folks to the bears, figurative more than literal. Such individuals are not doing humanity any great justice and in fact drag society as a whole down. I speak not of individuals who are challenged through no fault of their own but instead of those who actively choose to live in ignorance and who are capable of bettering themselves and are simply complacent and lazy about it. Those who are genuinely challenged tend to bless our lives in a variety of other ways and should be cherished and supported.

What bothered me is that NOT ONE PERSON stopped to consider that Jetfires cane was for any other purpose than to indicate age. NOT ONE!
I expected better from everyone considering the diversity we have here. The very nature of the toys we collect demands we see more than what is immediately apparent and yet everyone still blew it! Not only that, but even being called out on it, folks still bury their heads in the sand.
I think this is a cool toy with a cool gimmick that, as far as I'm concerned, could serve multiple purposes. The majority of folks are being narrow-minded and pissing all over the idea without even stopping to think about it. That is what frustrates me! People being ignorant and selfish just...because...they...can! Way to teach the upcoming generation folks. Hope you all are proud.
And my kids wonder why I wont let them register on this site...

T-Macksimus wrote:Past tense. I no longer require the use of a cane. As for the leaving folks to the bears, figurative more than literal. Such individuals are not doing humanity any great justice and in fact drag society as a whole down. I speak not of individuals who are challenged through no fault of their own but instead of those who actively choose to live in ignorance and who are capable of bettering themselves and are simply complacent and lazy about it. Those who are genuinely challenged tend to bless our lives in a variety of other ways and should be cherished and supported.

What bothered me is that NOT ONE PERSON stopped to consider that Jetfires cane was for any other purpose than to indicate age. NOT ONE!
I expected better from everyone considering the diversity we have here. The very nature of the toys we collect demands we see more than what is immediately apparent and yet everyone still blew it! Not only that, but even being called out on it, folks still bury their heads in the sand.
I think this is a cool toy with a cool gimmick that, as far as I'm concerned, could serve multiple purposes. The majority of folks are being narrow-minded and pissing all over the idea without even stopping to think about it. That is what frustrates me! People being ignorant and selfish just...because...they...can! Way to teach the upcoming generation folks. Hope you all are proud.
And my kids wonder why I wont let them register on this site...

You want to take the wood from that cross you're on and build a bridge with it so that you can 'get over it'.

First you're high handed with that 'out in the woods' junk, now you won't let your kids register because other people have 'Opinions' that 'you don't particularly like'. So what? Take it down a notch with the rhetoric.

A cane is an iconic symbol of age. When I think of people with disabilities, I think wheelchair, not cane. 10-1 That cane is a representation of Jetfire's age. We already know he's old an 'falling apart'. Just because we didn't present the minority report on the matter we're closed minded?

I firmly and respectfully disagree.

Jetfire + cane for whatever reason is stupid. Scan and adapt. (Hell, can't he get some wheel feet instead of a cane? or what about crab legs? eh...)

Counterpunch wrote:Jetfire + cane for whatever reason is stupid. Scan and adapt. (Hell, can't he get some wheel feet instead of a cane? or what about crab legs? eh...)

That's what im talking about. The other disappointment for me is that this film seemed like it was going to be more serious/darker. This cane thing makes it more kiddish again. I can't complain too much because it's suppose to be for kids too and that's why it's forgiving but just more disappointment after the "twins".

It probably still will be more serious/darker.