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Scale issues have been an issue with the toyline from the beginning. Besides the obvious answers of Motormaster and Blackout, are there any figures in your collection that you stare at and think should have had the Ultimate treatment instead of Bumblebee?

If you are talking only about TF Movie toys, I would say that Blackout, Demolisher and Long Haul deserved an Ultimate Class Toy. Demolisher could be even a Supreme Class toy, as big the ROTF Devastator set.

Maybe one day a 3rd party company will bless us with all Movie constructicons in a reasonable scale with Leader OP.

Xterminator wrote:If you are talking only about TF Movie toys, I would say that Blackout, Demolisher and Long Haul deserved an Ultimate Class Toy. Demolisher could be even a Supreme Class toy, as big the ROTF Devastator set.

Maybe one day a 3rd party company will bless us with all Movie constructicons in a reasonable scale with Leader OP.

At that size, the scale might be reasonable, but the price would be outrageous. Based on the scene with OP hanging off his neck, Demolisher would have to be nearly as large as Fort Max to be 'in scale'.

Pretty much all motorcycles are out of scale. Despite their own downfalls, the Acree sisters would have been great little toys in scout class!

Personally, I'd like to see a ultimate class Bonecrusher--heck, I'd even settle for leader class. While I realize he's had less than a minute of screen time in bot mode in the whole movie and got his head chopped off, I really like his design, and that brutish look on his face.

Universe Cyclonus.

I don't really care anymore since it will never be something that is practical or reasonable for Hasbro/Takara to do. I am just happy to have the designs that are out there.

I have RTS Prime in front of me and he's tiiiiiiny. He can hold the Matrix that coems with Roddy / Cycy, but it looks a little ridiculous with him. Ditto Thunderwing.

As for Leader class .... yeah,I'll assume that's for the movie line only. Blackout would make sense. So would the Fallen, but he's not so good. I think those are the only two really possible if we're talking about scale issues in the movie.

Blackout and Bonecrusher are the ones I'd adore to have in a decent size. Oh that would be SOOO cool.

Valandar wrote:

Xterminator wrote:If you are talking only about TF Movie toys, I would say that Blackout, Demolisher and Long Haul deserved an Ultimate Class Toy. Demolisher could be even a Supreme Class toy, as big the ROTF Devastator set.

Maybe one day a 3rd party company will bless us with all Movie constructicons in a reasonable scale with Leader OP.

At that size, the scale might be reasonable, but the price would be outrageous. Based on the scene with OP hanging off his neck, Demolisher would have to be nearly as large as Fort Max to be 'in scale'.

He he . . . I think I didn't express myself properly: a Supreme Class Demolisher would be in a good scale with Voyager OP and Deluxe Ironhide. Other "big" decepticons like Voyager Rampage, Leader Mixmaster, Leader Bonecrusher, Ultimate Lomg Haul and Ultimate Blackout could be made more-or-less in scale with Leader OP.

Regarding prices, keep in mind that low-end 3D-printers are forecast to be cheap enough to be acquired by households in about 5 years. In the same time frame, companies providing high-end professional 3D-printing services wont be unusual. That will make the price per unity of such low-volume/high-quality collection items (e.g. an ultimate Blackout) to drop considerably. Just wait and see ...

buddhaquest wrote:Scale

Is a lie.

It doesn't exist in the TF toy world.

--B-- wrote:

buddhaquest wrote:Scale

Is a lie.

It doesn't exist in the TF toy world.

Beast Machines anyone?

Scale was also horrible in the Machine wars line. Granted, the line was all repaints of European stuff, but if it was a series the scale would be horrible. Starscream towers over everyone in the set. Regardless, it's one of my favorite sets that I own.

Scale... don't make me laugh. I don't care about scale. Most of the various TF franchises don't. Why bother?

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Why bother?

A lot of people like getting the best possible representations of characters. That includes them being in scale with the rest of the line.

Jesterhead wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Why bother?

A lot of people like getting the best possible representations of characters. That includes them being in scale with the rest of the line.

Well, it's more than likely not gonna happen. The shows rarely bothered with scale. Same with the toys.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

Jesterhead wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Why bother?

A lot of people like getting the best possible representations of characters. That includes them being in scale with the rest of the line.

Well, it's more than likely not gonna happen. The shows rarely bothered with scale. Same with the toys.

That is acceptable and understandable for animated shows, but now with the live action films the quality standards are much higher: the alternate modes are real and in scale, so they should at least try to manufacture the toys reflecting the new reality.

Xterminator wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

Jesterhead wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Why bother?

A lot of people like getting the best possible representations of characters. That includes them being in scale with the rest of the line.

Well, it's more than likely not gonna happen. The shows rarely bothered with scale. Same with the toys.

That is acceptable and understandable for animated shows, but now with the live action films the quality standards are much higher: the alternate modes are real and in scale, so they should at least try to manufacture the toys reflecting the new reality.

Considering their complexity, nope. And my 'quality standards' are good toys, regardless of scale.

Xterminator wrote:That is acceptable and understandable for animated shows, but now with the live action films the quality standards are much higher: the alternate modes are real and in scale, so they should at least try to manufacture the toys reflecting the new reality.

A $50 Bumblebee will sell FAR, far better than a $50 Blackout.

Also, for scaling purposes only, the Legends Brawn is just fine. Not for me!!

Scale issues like with Demolisher's pathetic size are the only reason I bought quite a few legends class. Not the greatest substitue, however it's close enough. Even Devy's size realistically is more in scale with the legends (only in bot mode). A legends figure fits in his mouth like the movie portrayed.

Thats why I'm hopeing movie lazerbeak comes out in a legends size as ravage did to be more realistic size wise.

Sorry, i never worry about scale. I don't see the point when it comes to any Transformer.

The only reason I bought my first ROTF Legends: Skids and Mudflap, was because on pictures they seemed in perfect scale. After I had transformed them into Altmodes, the scale differences hit me: in Altmode Mudflap is bigger, in robotmode Sids is taller. They look like a vans compared to ROTF Legends Bumblebee. Still lovin them (Kind-of)

Transbot wrote:

robofreak wrote:

--B-- wrote:

buddhaquest wrote:Scale

Is a lie.

It doesn't exist in the TF toy world.

Beast Machines anyone?

Scale was also horrible in the Machine wars line. Granted, the line was all repaints of European stuff, but if it was a series the scale would be horrible. Starscream towers over everyone in the set. Regardless, it's one of my favorite sets that I own.

You're thinking of Machine Wars. Starscream wasn't in Beast Machines.

He said Machine Wars, idiot.

Scale is not as lousy as you might think. In most series' the toys and the characters' size relative to each other in the fiction match up fine. The Movieverse toys on the other hand... Not so much. It's Beast Machines all over again.

Ultimate Blackout would be nice, but people would be more likely to get BB. They could fix some of the scale problems by making Movie figures at the Ultra price point.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:He said Machine Wars, idiot.

Scale is not as lousy as you might think. In most series' the toys and the characters' size relative to each other in the fiction match up fine. The Movieverse toys on the other hand... Not so much. It's Beast Machines all over again.

Ultimate Blackout would be nice, but people would be more likely to get BB. They could fix some of the scale problems by making Movie figures at the Ultra price point.

First off, please avoid the name calling.

Also, I was referring to both. Skimming through my post would cause that mistake so I see why he thought I thought Starscream was in Beast Machines, but that's not the case.

scale still doesn't bother me. If it did, I wouldn't be a collector.

Beast Machines was a scale nightmare due to poor communication amongst all the Hasbro staff. A good portion of the figures were still really good though. Ultimate Cheetor needed to be scaled down, but he still stands as the most show accurate of the series next to Air Attack Optimus.

MAchine Wars however, was just a lone of repaints that were cool looking, but completely unrealistic in scale terms amongst the various robots.

Regardless, I like TF and I will buy TFs even if they are out of scale.

Mykltron wrote:Blackout and Bonecrusher are the ones I'd adore to have in a decent size. Oh that would be SOOO cool.

A Leader Class Bonecrusher would really do make me happy. I liked the Deluxe so much, I wouldn't even mind if it was just a scaled up version of that. I thought that design was pretty good.