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JazZeke wrote:I don't see parents being too keen to buy their children a toy that looks like a robot geisha.
SW's SilverHammer wrote:Eat my ass funpub.
Burn wrote:And this is for taking Nemesis Maximo seriously.
*high fives Silly in the face*
carytheone wrote:I can't be assed to do any better right now.
Might be due to that name already existing, and they wanted a freshly made new name.Deathscythetransform wrote:but the name? Windblade sounds awkward... Why not WINGBLADE?![]()
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Nemesis Maximo wrote:JazZeke wrote:I don't see parents being too keen to buy their children a toy that looks like a robot geisha.
You really think parents are gonna care about that? They'll probably just ask their kid/s what they want, and when they say "The transformer Windblade figure!", the parents will see a female robot with swords that turns into a jet.
JazZeke wrote:Nemesis Maximo wrote:JazZeke wrote:I don't see parents being too keen to buy their children a toy that looks like a robot geisha.
You really think parents are gonna care about that? They'll probably just ask their kid/s what they want, and when they say "The transformer Windblade figure!", the parents will see a female robot with swords that turns into a jet.
If the package art is prominently displayed, then I have no doubt parents will notice it. The design ain't subtle.
I can't quite tell if you like this or notMGrotusque wrote:Hate it. Cybertronians shouldn't be Samurai. It's an earth thing. Especially with all the face paint.
Black and red colour scheme........boring as hell.
Jet mode......boring as hell.
Fem bot.....everybody loves Fembots.
Seriously, this thing sucks. As far as i'm concerned anyways.
It's like a bad Japanese Koi fish tattoo that everybody seems to have these days that replaced poopy tribal tatttos in the 90's.
Garbage.
william-james88 wrote:So that would also be the case for Predaking, who is also six members.
Convotron wrote:It's interesting that there is such a thing as an issue with female looking robots. So basically, those who are against fembots/female robots are against a Transformer toy having a bust or other feminine features.
So what is desired by some is a non-feminine fembot...is this any better?
It's cherry picking points of an argument if we don't look at the entire picture.
It's okay for "male" robots to exist and they do because in all branches of fiction from G1 we have most Transformers characters referred to with he/him. Additionally, fembots are referred to with she/her.
It's okay to have male proportions in the majority of robots(broad shoulders, torsos tapering down to the waist), it's okay to have male facial features(square jaw, masculine facial structure).
It's okay to have male voice actors voice apparently male robots/bio-mechanical organisms.
BUT...
It's not okay to have a fembot with feminine features(breasts/a bust).
So it's a boy's club with a big "NO GIRLS ALLOWED" sign hung up at the entrance.
Adult males collecting toys made for children are against a girl toy robot. Welcome to 2013.
Va'al wrote:
Metrosuplex wrote:Personally, I find these confusing. Why are they "female" robots? Because they have female voice chips?
Sexist accusations aside, it's not unreasonable to expect a "female" to exhibit "female" attributes (such as the hand on hip pose, which FEW men ever take).
I'm on board with different body types for these TF's, but surely the answer is not repainting a male purple and saying he's now a girl. The F- is that?I don't really need to give Hasbro ideas on how to properly represent women, do I? The ultimate goal of any feminist is NOT to look like a male; I'm going to say TF's share that opinion.
_Anshin_ wrote:GuyIncognito wrote:A new female bot: good.
Hasbro still thinking that female bots need breasts: bad.
Actually I have been reading about the "need for breasts" on the bots/toys. Without them they would not be distinguishable from the "male" bots. The big fear is that cross/transgender identification with toys at a young age. By sexualizing (females have breasts) parents don't have to explain this and there won't be a picket from certain groups against the toy manufacture for the release of a cross/transgender toy.
So to avoid litigations / psychological identification and confusion / etc. it is a good thing.
Mindmaster wrote:Awesome, it's a female! Now we have our second female jet in Transformers fiction (the first being Slipstream)!![]()
You know what her face kinda reminds me of?
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:Most human females have breasts so when you design a robot that's supposed to be identified as female you make her look female, and breasts are part of that.
Dead Metal wrote:Most human females have breasts so when you design a robot that's supposed to be identified as female you make her look female, and breasts are part of that. Sure some variety would be nice, but we can only start asking for that once female TFs have become common and accepted.
Va'al wrote:As much as I think you're just trying to be provocative, I believe you're misinterpreting the point. Noideaforaname made a good statement by showing the range of different shapes and sizes that 'male' characters have come in, such as the ROTF Constructicons.
(And the fandom hated those too, by the way.)
As I said earlier, it's a good thing that fans wanted a female character, and that Hasbro gave us a female character. It's the fact that the only way to make it clearly so, was to make it conform to some gender stereotypes and attributes. And what's the major perceived difference between men and women? Breasts, and a more slender figure. And how do they get posed? Like this:
And to show how a slender figure makes fans scream 'he looks like a girl!', as if that were a bad thing, here's Prime Starscream, in the same pose.
The issue is not with female-looking robots. The issue is with the fact that there seems to be only one way in which we can mark female-looking robots.
But to respond to your Hulk provocation:
Incidentally, Prime Starscream is an exception to the largely masculine proportions standard in Transformers. Where is the clamouring for less "male" looking masculine Transformers? Why do male transformers have to have masculine features? Why do we need gender at all in these fictional characters and their toy representations?
The answer is that it reads quickly and easily on a visual level, making for efficient identification experience.
That's visual design 101.
The fact of the matter is Transformers character designs are largely based on human inspiration for humanoid bot modes. The fact of the matter is that majority of character designs use overt male physical proportions/traits for "male" characters.
To even ask why a feminine robot has to have feminine traits is odd to me because it's not a difficult question to answer.
Sprite wrote:I just don't see why some Transformers can't be "female" the way the others are "male". They are technically genderless after all and, Arcee aside, whatever passes for gender comes down to the "pronoun of choice" thing (which is pretty arbitrary). We've got like a zillion Nails who've drifted all over the galaxy for four million years - it's not unthinkable that some of them has adapted the feminine gender as the social norm, is it? And there doesn't need to be made a fuss about it. Face it, any focus on an explanation for gender otherwise is bound to be offensive in some way or other.
Handels-Messerschmitt wrote:I think it's silly to say that we can have women who aren't stereotyped once we've had a sufficient amount of women who are stereotyped.
Dead Metal wrote:_Anshin_ wrote:GuyIncognito wrote:A new female bot: good.
Hasbro still thinking that female bots need breasts: bad.
Actually I have been reading about the "need for breasts" on the bots/toys. Without them they would not be distinguishable from the "male" bots. The big fear is that cross/transgender identification with toys at a young age. By sexualizing (females have breasts) parents don't have to explain this and there won't be a picket from certain groups against the toy manufacture for the release of a cross/transgender toy.
So to avoid litigations / psychological identification and confusion / etc. it is a good thing.
WTF?!
Most human females have breasts so when you design a robot that's supposed to be identified as female you make her look female, and breasts are part of that. Sure some variety would be nice, but we can only start asking for that once female TFs have become common and accepted.
And transgendered people generally try their best to make their body look as close as possible to the gender they feel they are in order to feel comfortable with it. So that makes no sense. Otherwise Hasbro would have already received trouble for BW Blackaracknia, BW Airrazor, BM Strika, and most prominently Prime Starscream.
Handels-Messerschmitt wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Most human females have breasts so when you design a robot that's supposed to be identified as female you make her look female, and breasts are part of that.
Breasts aren't what makes a woman a woman, though. Muscles don't make a man a man. Or what, would you look at a transformer and think "gee, I wish it had breasts"?
Well, that'd be fair enough, I guess, some people just dig robots.
It isn't necessary for a good robot design, however, and especially not something that is meant to be armoured instead of perfectly copying humans.
Dead Metal wrote:Most human females have breasts so when you design a robot that's supposed to be identified as female you make her look female, and breasts are part of that.
Handels-Messerschmitt wrote:I think it's silly to say that we can have women who aren't stereotyped once we've had a sufficient amount of women who are stereotyped.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:For now, could we see the positive in this? Hasbro made a brand new character, a female character, and she's getting a toy. Hasbro has thankfully already gotten ridd of pink and oversexed designs and is moving in the right direction.
Va'al wrote:Dead Metal wrote:For now, could we see the positive in this? Hasbro made a brand new character, a female character, and she's getting a toy. Hasbro has thankfully already gotten ridd of pink and oversexed designs and is moving in the right direction.
Yes, that was my point a while back too (though I also think that the oversexed part will inevitably happen once fans get the figure).
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
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