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Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

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Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby Rial Vestro » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:13 pm

Sence the official review topic seems to have dropped off the face of the Earth I'm just going to go ahead a post a quick review.

Crane Mode: One thing that bugs me about this figure is that there is a Decepticon symbol on his cannon. In crane mode the only way to hide it is to never lift up his crane but he's not a verry usefull crane if he can't lift that up without blowing his cover.

I was looking at some pictures of the purple version and noticed he does not have the Decepticon logo in that spot which is unfortunate sence the Purple one is no longer under cover and wouldn't be as much of an eye sore on him as it is on the blueish grey one. Whatever color it's supose to be.

I kinda of want to take and paint black over the Decepticon symbol or maybe just a black sharpie. I mean this is supose to be his Autobot mode, why is there a Visable Decepticon logo on him?

Tank Mode: The vehicle mode is easier to change from Autobot to Decepticon than the robot. All that needs to be done is flaten out his treds and there's a trigger that instantly converts his crane hook into a cannon and vice versa. Now with the placement of the Decepticon logo, it actully looks nice here but it still bothers me that it can be seen in crane mode too. The cannon itself is actully shaped like the original Shockwave's head and even has a small circle ingraved in the center for the eye. Sadly this detail was not painted. :(

Overall vehicle mode: The arms which become his front treds, for some reason the right arm has trouble pegging into place on mine. The left goes in just fine and I don't see any reason why that is when they're both built the same. It might just be a little loose on mine.

For some reason only the tank mode has wheels. There were no wheels added on the ends where the treds stand in Crane mode.

Longarm Prime: The first time I saw the toy I was turned off it by the pictures on the back of the box but then it was only in stores for a day and sold out never to be seen again till yesterday. Longarm's face looked like Shockwave painted white. I didn't see any mouth or eyes in the picture. Still before he sold out again sence this was the last one I decided to get him and was relived to find that his face actully does look show accurate.

The crane just hangs from his back. He can hold it but doesn't look like much of a weapon though his hook is the same design as Lockdown's. I'm fairly use to Crane Transformers haveing their hook pointed up on their back or on their shoulder. Sence shoulder is not possible I tried the other way but this again shows his Decepticon insignia.

Allthough it was never in the show, he is a member of the Elite Guard and I allways wandered why he didn't have the winged Autobot symbol the other Elite Guard have. He just looks like a regular Autobot rather than an EG.

Shockwave: Getting him from Shockwave to Longarm Prime is actully alot easier than the other way around. The difficulty mainly being with his head Transformation. It switches to Longarm's face when you barly push down on his head but oddly can be verry difficult to lift his head up.

Again, the picture on the packageing did not do the toy justice. This time because he actully misstransformed. On the packageing it looked like Shockwave had 2 white eyes which if you don't exstend his head all the way does tend to happen but if you can manage to get his head fully exstended the fake eyes will go away.

Of course again on mine he seems to have an easier time reverting back to Longarm so I have a hard time keeping his Shockwave face from getting his misstrasformed white eyes back.

As Shocwave, because of the cannon Transformation if you wanted to you could have it on his back and have it as a shoulder cannon or even better it's tall enough and fits right between his horns. Not really an offical use for it but I like it.

In his hand it makes one heavy looking cannon.

Over all Robot Mode: In both modes his legs aren't verry sturdy. Longarms hip joints are really loose and as shockwave are covered by the treds but that doesn't help at all to suport them. The transformation joint at the knees are allso loose and allthough there's a pannel to cover them that does stop his knees from bending sideways. I'm not sure how to fix the hip problem but the knees could have been easily avoided with a peg to lock the side pannels into place that cover that joint. Again the joint is not the actual knee but a transformation joint just below it that causes the leg to bend sideways.

Shockwaves thumbs are actully Longarms hands. The hands are molded into the bottom but not the top. Unfortunatly this does not actully do a good job of hideing the hands. Pluse this means only Shockwave gets to have individual finger articulation. I would of liked to have seen fold away compartments in the wrists to switch out Longarms hands and Shockwave's thums. There's enough space for it and it's not like Hasbro has never done that before.

As a hand it does have good wrist articulation though it's a bit tight on mine. As a thumb you can't really move it at all. (well you could but it just wouldn't look like a movement a thumb should even be able to make.)

Despite all the minor details that bug me it's still overall a good figure and I'd really recomend getting him especially if he sells out as quickly everywhere else as he does in my area. The Purple one I haven't even seen yet but I belive he's a store exclusive and sence that's a little far out for me it'd be easier to get him online.

In your replys tell me what you think I should do about the Decepticon decal on the cannon. Paint it, sharpie or just leave it?
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Re: Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby Kibble » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:45 pm

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Rial Vestro wrote:In your replys tell me what you think I should do about the Decepticon decal on the cannon. Paint it, sharpie or just leave it?

If you want to get rid of it, it would probably come off fairly easy using isopropyl rubbing alcohol.

As for the figure itself, I just picked it up off clearance for about $6 and I think I probably overpaid. The figure kinda sucks... Tank mode looks terrible, crane mode doesn't really serve any purpose (probably woulda went a long way if it had a working, retractable hook), neither bot mode looks all that good, and none of the transformations are very exciting. I like the concept, but the execution really fell flat. I do like the light piping for Shockwave's eye and the switching insignia feature, but those are really the only redeeming qualities I can find for this fig.
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Re: Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby Rial Vestro » Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:45 am

Kibble wrote:
Rial Vestro wrote:In your replys tell me what you think I should do about the Decepticon decal on the cannon. Paint it, sharpie or just leave it?

If you want to get rid of it, it would probably come off fairly easy using isopropyl rubbing alcohol.

As for the figure itself, I just picked it up off clearance for about $6 and I think I probably overpaid. The figure kinda sucks... Tank mode looks terrible, crane mode doesn't really serve any purpose (probably woulda went a long way if it had a working, retractable hook), neither bot mode looks all that good, and none of the transformations are very exciting. I like the concept, but the execution really fell flat. I do like the light piping for Shockwave's eye and the switching insignia feature, but those are really the only redeeming qualities I can find for this fig.


The hook retracts just fine on mine. Was the package damaged at all when you bought it? I find it hard to imagine that you found it on clearance for 6 bucks without there being some problems with that particular figure. Especially sence I have non of the problems with mine that you're talking about.

Tank mode, you're opinion, agree to dissagree.

Crane mode actully does serve a purpose. I'm guessing you're not a fan of Animated because he actully used the crane mode in the cartoon as part of his Disguise as Longarm Prime. As said abouve I think the retractable hook might just be broken because it works fine on mine.

Both bot modes look exactly as they do in the cartoon and Longarm is one of the few Animated characters that doesn't suffer too badly from the "Jay Lenno" dissorder most Animated Transformers seem to have. Allthough it does look like he's wearing a snorkle.

The Vehicle Transformations I would agree. There really didn't do a whole hell of alot to set the vehicle modes apart. Robot mode however I think they did alot more for the Disguise aspect as there are alot more transfroming parts to set the two robot modes apart. In fact Longarm looks rather short and fat compaired to the tall skinny Shockwave. Alot more thought seemed to be put into the robots than the vehicles. There's alot more of a change than just flating out his treds and poping the cannon out.

I've found myself playing with his robot mode alot more than the Vehicle sence I got him because there's alot of different combinations I can get out him that are unoffical robot modes.

I would actully love to see this toy redone in a more Traditional styal. (actully like to see a whole toy line of more Traditional styal Animated toys.) Some figures would have to be totally redesigned but others could do well to just get some remolds made.

I normally don't like light pipeing because when it's there it's useually upstructed by back kibble and have to hold the toy at spicific angles to see it but Shockwave's really does work well. So well in fact that I find it a little creepy seeing that giant eye of a head stairing at me.

As for the spining insignia... ROTF Wheelie has that exact same gimic however Shockwave's gimic is actully screen accurate. Wheelie never even had an insignia on his chest in the movie like his toy does. I'm suprised they didn't give Jetfire that gimic as well sence they thought it would work for Wheelie and both of them switched from Decepticon to Autobot in the same scene.

I know other figures have simular gimics such as Armada and Cybertron Sideways but I'm not sure if there are any spinning ones other than Animated Shockwave and ROTF Wheelie. The Sideways figures had one insignia slide over the other when you attached a sertain Minicon or used his Cyber key which is kinda stupid to use plot devices to activate gimics like that. Punch/Counterpunch I think would be the closest to Animated Shockwave but did he have any kind of Insignia gimics or just the different robot modes?

Anyway... about your sugestion to rub it off, wouldn't that remove the black paint as well or is that the base color for the plastic?
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Re: Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby Metallo » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:49 am

I like Shockwave. kinda wish I had gotten the Target exclusive purple one as well but I think both of them look good.

I think he works fairly well as a quadruple changer of sorts. I think the switch between the two robot modes is more effective than the alt modes.

One interesting thing I figured out was that Shockwaves torso tilts forward. I had no idea it did that when I got it and I'm not sure if its on the instructions. Its a cool bit of articulation that lets him hunch over a little more menacingly.
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Re: Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby Ravage XK » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:43 am

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I have the purple version. I don't really care about the other 3 modes. He stays as Shockwave all the time! Love that lanky, one eyed Decepticon.
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Re: Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby Rial Vestro » Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:38 pm

I was looking at some screen captures from the original cartoon and there's a few shots on the Original Shockwave in Longarm's colors. I think they may of used the misscolored frames of G1 Shockwave to create Longarm Prime.

At any rate the color change seemed kinda pointless to me in the cartoon and on the toy. I mean if they really wanted to go that direction they should of used color changeing paint to begin with because it's kinda silly to have a Purple Longarm or a blueish grey Shockwave.

In the cartoon Shockwave's change to Purple was not really done well. I got the whole transforming disguise thing but if Purple was his true Decepticon colors why didn't he change colors every time he switched modes insted of only that one time? It actully reminded me of some characters from Armada who randomly changed colors at the end of the series. There were 5 characters who were repaired by Mini-cons and caused them to change colors but after that there were several other characters who randomly changed color for no reason. This included Optimus Prime and Jetfire who randomly changed to their Powerlink colors mid scene without any other characters even noticeing.

As a general rule I hate repaints and rarely make acceptions. Looking at the two, the Purple one doesn't have enough added detail to warrent getting both I think. It's mainly a straight recolor rather than a repaint. All the repaints I do have appeared in show and aren't straight recolors meaning they don't share the exact same patterns.

Some times molding details will be overlooked in the original toy and a repaint can some times bring out the molding details more. Other times it's the other way around. I normally like the ones that bring out the most of the molding details. I mean, why bother to mold in something if you're not even going to bother with painting it. Kinda like the front grill on Animated Bumblebee, why is it yellow insted of black like it should be.
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Re: Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby Kibble » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:41 pm

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The hook retracts just fine on mine. Was the package damaged at all when you bought it? I find it hard to imagine that you found it on clearance for 6 bucks without there being some problems with that particular figure. Especially sence I have non of the problems with mine that you're talking about.

Anyway... about your sugestion to rub it off, wouldn't that remove the black paint as well or is that the base color for the plastic?


Got it for 75% off at Target...pretty much all the Targets around here are getting rid of the last of their Animated stock. There's not much left, however, so pickin's are rather slim.

As for the retractable hook I spoke of, I meant having it lower to the ground on a string or something. As it is, you can't do anything with it other than maybe hang something from it...hence my point that it serves no purpose. It's a nonfunctioning crane...

And it looks like the plastic is black so I think the alcohol would take the insignia off fine. Just be careful not to take off the bluish color in the cracks on the tip...assuming you like that.

As for its appearance, it may be toon accurate, but I don't much care for the elbow or knee joint placement or the gun/cannon. And the fig seems rather flimsy. At $6 I'm not too bent outta shape over it, but I definitely don't find it to be one of the better figs out there.
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Re: Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby Rial Vestro » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:18 pm

Kibble wrote:As for the retractable hook I spoke of, I meant having it lower to the ground on a string or something. As it is, you can't do anything with it other than maybe hang something from it...hence my point that it serves no purpose. It's a nonfunctioning crane...


Oh, sorry, I thought you were talking about the transformation into the cannon because the hook section retracts as part of that transformation.

the fig seems rather flimsy.


I agree on that point. I had mentioned that in my review that the legs don't seem too stable.

Still I do actully link the Longarm robot mode. I don't like most Animated designs because of the overly large chins and other dissproportions with the cartoon. Movie and Animated designs I just hate them. But for Animated I do think that the Earth Mode Megatron and Longarm are two of the better figures.

I was allso thinking that the tank mode has been compaired to Armada Megatron and though the horns are not offically supose to be up in tank mode you can do that to make it look even more like Armada Megatron. The funny part about this is that for an Animated figure he's actully got smaller horns than the Armada version. Never liked Armada Megatron's overly huge horns, the damn things are bigger than his freaking head.

Allso considering how Energon looks like G1 Galvatron and Animated looks like G1 Megatron... I kinda think Animated Megatron should of been in Armada and Armada Megatron should of been in Animated. (Allso Energon Prowl because the exhaust pipes on his head make him look like a freaking rabbit.)
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Re: Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:53 pm

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Rial Vestro wrote:I was looking at some screen captures from the original cartoon and there's a few shots on the Original Shockwave in Longarm's colors. I think they may of used the misscolored frames of G1 Shockwave to create Longarm Prime.


Cartoon shots of G1 Shockwave in TFA Longarm Primes colors????

I dont think so.

However the color scheme for Longarm Prime seems to have been inspired by the very popular G1 Knock off of Shcxkwave that fans have nicked named 'Shackwave'

So named as this bootleg copy of the TransFormer Shockwave was commonly found in Radio Shack

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Re: Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby kirbenvost » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:31 am

^ That's pretty sweet. I always thought Shackwave came first though? Or perhaps those were Shockwave's original colors, before he became part of the TF line?
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Re: Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:12 am

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kirbenvost wrote:^ That's pretty sweet. I always thought Shackwave came first though? Or perhaps those were Shockwave's original colors, before he became part of the TF line?


I really couldnt tell you what colors came first.

You got to remember, unlike most of the early TF's Shockwave was not a "TAKARA" toy.Hasbro bought the rights to the toys mold from a 3rd party.
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Re: Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby kirbenvost » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:16 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
kirbenvost wrote:^ That's pretty sweet. I always thought Shackwave came first though? Or perhaps those were Shockwave's original colors, before he became part of the TF line?


I really couldnt tell you what colors came first.

You got to remember, unlike most of the early TF's Shockwave was not a "TAKARA" toy.Hasbro bought the rights to the toys mold from a 3rd party.


Yes, that's what I meant by 'before he became part of the TF line'. Just like Jetfire...and others, I'm not sure which. I want to say Omega Supreme, but that could be wrong.
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Re: Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:23 am

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
kirbenvost wrote:^ That's pretty sweet. I always thought Shackwave came first though? Or perhaps those were Shockwave's original colors, before he became part of the TF line?


I really couldnt tell you what colors came first.

You got to remember, unlike most of the early TF's Shockwave was not a "TAKARA" toy.Hasbro bought the rights to the toys mold from a 3rd party.


Yes, that's what I meant by 'before he became part of the TF line'. Just like Jetfire...and others, I'm not sure which. I want to say Omega Supreme, but that could be wrong.


No your right.Omega wasnt a Takara toy either.
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Re: Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby Thinktank » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:36 pm

For covering up his Decepticon symbol on his crane/gun I
used a Decepticn rubsign. It seemed fitting considering
the "fiction" that was presented for the original rubsign
idea back in '85.

I got said rubsign off a Classics Ramjet IIRC.
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Re: Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby Razorclaw0000 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:05 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:very popular G1 Knock off of Shcxkwave that fans have nicked named 'Shackwave'

So named as this bootleg copy of the TransFormer Shockwave was commonly found in Radio Shack


Not trying to nitpick, but "Shackwave", or Galactic Man, as he was really named, is neither a 'knock off' nor a 'bootleg'. Radio Shack licensed the mold just as legitimately as Hasbro did.
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Re: Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:01 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:very popular G1 Knock off of Shcxkwave that fans have nicked named 'Shackwave'

So named as this bootleg copy of the TransFormer Shockwave was commonly found in Radio Shack


Not trying to nitpick, but "Shackwave", or Galactic Man, as he was really named, is neither a 'knock off' nor a 'bootleg'. Radio Shack licensed the mold just as legitimately as Hasbro did.


I guess that depend on ones personal definition of a KO.
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Re: Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby Pascal » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:02 pm

One of the most overrated toys from the series imo. I do like transforming from robot to robot, but I rarely use the 2 alt modes.
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Re: Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby kirbenvost » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:49 pm

I never really transform my Purple Shockwave either, he just stays in Decepticon bot mode.
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Re: Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby Rial Vestro » Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:47 pm

I actully like the idea of covering his Decepticon insignia on the cannon with a Decepticon rub sign. Sadly though sence rub signs are hard to come by anymore I don't think I even have any Decepticons with a rub sign. I probly have a few Predacons though as some of the older Beast Wars toys still had them. I guess I could buy some Classics Decepticons. The only Classics figure I really have is Bumblebee and I know he has a rub sign.

The only problem I have with that is how to remove the sticker without damageing it and makeing sure it will still be able to stick to Shockwave. Stickers have a tendancy to loose some of their adhesive every time they're replaced, even when they're marked to be "reuseable" they're really not ment to be removed and placed again.
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Re: Shockwave/Longarm Prime Review?

Postby Kibble » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:16 pm

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Rial Vestro wrote:I actully like the idea of covering his Decepticon insignia on the cannon with a Decepticon rub sign. Sadly though sence rub signs are hard to come by anymore I don't think I even have any Decepticons with a rub sign. I probly have a few Predacons though as some of the older Beast Wars toys still had them. I guess I could buy some Classics Decepticons. The only Classics figure I really have is Bumblebee and I know he has a rub sign.

The only problem I have with that is how to remove the sticker without damageing it and makeing sure it will still be able to stick to Shockwave. Stickers have a tendancy to loose some of their adhesive every time they're replaced, even when they're marked to be "reuseable" they're really not ment to be removed and placed again.

Reprolabels to the rescue:
http://reprolabels.com/Symbols/rsdec.php
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