The Energon Pub

SamYarbrough77 wrote:He questions authority, thats what makes him so damn awesome. How many of us have felt that way?? He is easy to connect to

He doesn't question authority, he is authority, he's part of the top Decepticon brass. And even so, how "awesome" is it to question authority only to end up grovelling and begging for mercy when you fail?

Shadowman wrote:
Starscream fangirls are something that's always confused me. We're talking about Starscream, an arrogant, whiny, stuck-up, wannabe leader who immediately attempts to start coups when Megatron shows the slightest weakness, but never follows through, and if he does, he either gets his ass kicked or begins begging for mercy. We're talking about all the worst personality traits you could ever have. Where's the appeal? The only real argument is that he shows Megatron up because he wants attention or approval, but that's impossible because nothing of the sort has ever been even the slightest bit implied. Even in the movie, he wastes no time throwing Megatron overboard and assuming control of the Decepticons. And I assure you that if he attempted that when Megatron WASN'T mortally wounded, he would have been grovelling or dead in seconds.

True, true and true.

Honestly, I've tried to figure out this whole Starscream Lust Phenomenon myself, and I just can't make it make any sort of rational sense. And I'm *one* of the fangirls! (Or, in my case, fan-old-bats).

Maybe we just like adorable self-deluded arrogant losers?

If you solve this one, though, maybe you could then explain to me what all y'all men see in Megan Fox? Kim Kardashian? Eliza Dushku?

HK, lust is *never* actually rational, that's your mistake!

hellkitty wrote:Maybe we just like adorable self-deluded arrogant losers?

When someone says "adorable" I think puppies, or kittens, not a 30 foot tall walking death machine that turns into an F-15.

hellkitty wrote:If you solve this one, though, maybe you could then explain to me what all y'all men see in Megan Fox? Kim Kardashian? Eliza Dushku?

They're all attractive women. Men are attracted to beautiful women, it's a fact of life, and the least complicated thing ever. A tree is more complicated than that. I'm trying to figure out why fangirls are attracted to a 30-foot-tall war machine who regularly tries and fails to kill his boss, only to fail and beg for mercy.

Shadowman wrote:

hellkitty wrote:Maybe we just like adorable self-deluded arrogant losers?

When someone says "adorable" I think puppies, or kittens, not a 30 foot tall walking death machine that turns into an F-15.

hellkitty wrote:If you solve this one, though, maybe you could then explain to me what all y'all men see in Megan Fox? Kim Kardashian? Eliza Dushku?

They're all attractive women. Men are attracted to beautiful women, it's a fact of life, and the least complicated thing ever. A tree is more complicated than that. I'm trying to figure out why fangirls are attracted to a 30-foot-tall war machine who regularly tries and fails to kill his boss, only to fail and beg for mercy.

I think we've all had to kiss ass at some point in our lives. And lots of people have encountered bad bosses.

I admire Starscream's determination, if nothing else.

Night Raid wrote:I think we've all had to kiss ass at some point in our lives. And lots of people have encountered bad bosses.

He only ever kisses ass because of his own stupid mistakes.

Night Raid wrote:I admire Starscream's determination, if nothing else.

And look where that gets him in every series.

Shadowman wrote:When someone says "adorable" I think puppies, or kittens, not a 30 foot tall walking death machine that turns into an F-15.

Awww, there you go, thinking like a *man* again. Think: which is more useful in life: a high maintenance twig of a girlfriend who won't do anything that messes up her hair, or a 30 foot tall walking death machine that turns into a jet. I know which I'd rather have on MY side.

hellkitty wrote:If you solve this one, though, maybe you could then explain to me what all y'all men see in Megan Fox? Kim Kardashian? Eliza Dushku?

They're all attractive women. Men are attracted to beautiful women, it's a fact of life, and the least complicated thing ever. A tree is more complicated than that. [/quote]

That's simply not the whole story. Yes, those ladies are considered attractive, but a) is that really all you're looking for? Are men so frickin' SHALLOW?! I refuse to accept that! and b) your notion of what is 'attractive' isn't based on some universal standard.

Case in point: Renaissance nudes. By today's standards, they'd be in some obesity clinic. They were the hottest of the hot in the 16th century.

A Thai student of mine once told he he couldn't figure out how American men were so dumb. In Thailand, he said, beautiful women were fat and as pale skinned as possible (being Thai, after all). Why? Because plump and pale in Thailand meant you were a) rich enough you didn't have to get out in that nasty sun and work, and b) that you were rich enough to have MORE than enough food to eat.

Our, or rather, your standard of female attractiveness today says pretty much the same thing: women who are thin and tan and toned with all that hair and nail stuff say that they have time and money to blow simply on self-adornment.

Why, pray tell, wasn't there a size 0 twenty years ago? Simple: women weren't that skinny. Why? Because the hippy aesthetic was still more or less in charge.

And if you still want to argue 'attractive' is a universal state, please explain to me hair bands. Why were groups like Stryper, Motley Crue, etc, so successful in getting chicks? They were clearly 'attractive' in the most literal sense of the word, yes? Would that work today when the 'look' is all urban and street and pants hangin' off your booty?

HK, aesthetically challenging.

hellkitty wrote:Are men so frickin' SHALLOW?! I refuse to accept that!

Unfortunately, we are.

As for your other arguments, cultures and eras dictate many things, music, fashion, etc. People probably wouldn't be into Green Day or Nirvana in the '50s, and you don't hear many kids these days listening to a lot of Bob Dylan or Frank Sinatra. Likewise, personal taste can dictate the opposite, though not always.

St. Even wrote:Unless you have seen the movie or read the script you have no idea what to expect. He might just do the same with the Fallen. Let everything unfold before you get all bent out of shape.

I agree with St. Even, cool your jets and wait till you see the movie. Now I do agree with the original poster-- in a way... I kinda avoid spoilers, but with TF 2. I had to see what is going to happen.

For the last movie, I read the prequel comic books before the movie came out. I will do the same thing for this movie. I am going to stay strong and not read the movie adaptation before the movie comes out.

I always counted Starscream as one of my favorite characters. He had a personality that stood out amongst the Cons. Most of them seemed like rank and file soldiers that simply did what Megatron told them to do.

As far as the beauty thing goes, I like hot women. I can't explain, exactly, what that means. I know what I like. Everyone else has their own opinion as to what is attractive to them. I see people together all the time and think "why"? But, they have their reasons.

that shot of her on the cycle is pretty nice. Chubby chics Need loving too

Megs being second banana to ANYBODY may seem wrong to most (including me), but the movie just might be able to pull it off. We'll just have to see.