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by **cristof** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:30 pm

If there's so much problem with Ultra Magnus, then let's agree on Inferno...Saw a brand new firetruck the other day, it was huge and got me thinking that it would look bad ass in TF2.

by **cristof** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:35 pm

why did they block f.i.r.e.t.r.u.c.k.???

News Credits: 11 · by **Robinson** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:05 pm

cristof wrote:why did they block f.i.r.e.t.r.u.c.k.???

Starts with f, ends with k

by **cristof** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:11 pm

Robinson wrote:
cristof wrote:why did they block f.i.r.e.t.r.u.c.k.???

Starts with f, ends with k

wow!!! awesome!!!

by **Deadpool.** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:12 am

Well, to all the Arcee supporters out there,

WHAT IF ARCEE REALLY APPEARS IN TF2 BUT IS A MALE AUTOBOT?!?!

After all, Bumblebee became a rather tall 'Bot, Ironhide became sorta triggerhappy, Jazz became quite an idiot imo.

Characters do not necessarily end up as the way G1 portrayed them!

by **Deadpool.** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:15 am

Sentry Prime wrote:Personally, I think Magnus would be a bad idea for the next film because:

* The average movie-going audience will look at him as just another Prime, due to his alt-form also being a truck.

* People will confuse him with Prime, because he's a truck too, and he also has a two-word name.

* If you have Ultra Magnus, then you HAVE to have Hot Rod & Prime HAS to die. Dramatically they form an important story point dealing with the "changing of the guard", with one character being groomed for the resposibility, and the other chosen by destiny.

* If you have Magnus AND Hot Rod and THEN add the Dinobots into the mix, it's too many characters disagreeing / challenging Prime's leadership and the whole point behind the idea would be lost in a glut of conflicting characters.

Regarding the other characters:

* I love Grimlock too, but giant, robotic dinosaurs would just be too out of place within the film's context. And so far, all movie based evidence suggests that the Bots can't replicate flesh / Organic matter (yet they seem to be fine with leather, but anyway). I believe this is the case with Skorpinok, as a burrowing creature on a mechanised world doesn't seem to make much sense.

* If we are going to see a combiner like Devestator, I'd prefer that rather gloss over 5 or so bit chararacters and have the audience go "Oh, ok - their trucks that turn into robots, that turn into bigger robots", have it so that the Gestalt IS the character, perhaps, given the attempt to maintain some approximate mass between forms - Devestator (or whoever), unable to find a suitably sized vehicle to scan, instead scans several, breaking down into a small fleet of vehicles sharing a common hive mind.

/end rant

1. Magnus might not even be a truck.
2. Magnus might not be a repaint of Prime.
3. Why must there be Hot Rod if there's Magnus?
4. The Movie continuity's different from G1. Face it.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:11 am

Deadpool. wrote: Ironhide became sorta triggerhappy,

Characters do not necessarily end up as the way G1 portrayed them!

Ironhide wasnt that different at all.In the G1 toon he was always to willing to get into a fight.....not really that different then being triggerhappy.

News Credits: 1 · by **Leonardo** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:12 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Deadpool. wrote: Ironhide became sorta triggerhappy,

Characters do not necessarily end up as the way G1 portrayed them!

Ironhide wasnt that different at all.In the G1 toon he was always to willing to get into a fight.....not really that different then being triggerhappy.

Except he wasn't partnered with Blowpipe! Ha ha ha, hey, stop throwing things.

by **Deadpool.** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:14 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Deadpool. wrote: Ironhide became sorta triggerhappy,

Characters do not necessarily end up as the way G1 portrayed them!

Ironhide wasnt that different at all.In the G1 toon he was always to willing to get into a fight.....not really that different then being triggerhappy.

Yea, but at least G1 Ironhide didnt visibly seem like he wated to kill Homo Sapiens...

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:14 am

Leonardo wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Deadpool. wrote: Ironhide became sorta triggerhappy,

Characters do not necessarily end up as the way G1 portrayed them!

Ironhide wasnt that different at all.In the G1 toon he was always to willing to get into a fight.....not really that different then being triggerhappy.

Except he wasn't partnered with Blowpipe! Ha ha ha, hey, stop throwing things.

Niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :grin:

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:17 am

Deadpool. wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Deadpool. wrote: Ironhide became sorta triggerhappy,

Characters do not necessarily end up as the way G1 portrayed them!

Ironhide wasnt that different at all.In the G1 toon he was always to willing to get into a fight.....not really that different then being triggerhappy.
Yea, but at least G1 Ironhide didnt visibly seem like he wated to kill Homo Sapiens...

In Megatrons Master Plan he seemed like he at least wanted to hit a human when he was being arrested for crimes that he didnt comit.

by **Sentry Prime** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:43 am

the whole point of Magnus (from my interpretation) is that he serves as a platform for Hot rod to assume leadership. Magnus is an excellent soldier and 2nd in command, but seems to lack the spirit that seperates the good from the great, spirit that Hot Rod had.

Hot Rod's story is a "coming of Age" tale that draws much from the classic principals of the "Heroes Journey"(another example would be Luke Skywalker). He is the "peasent farmer", the everyman hero - and he must go through the steps of Tragedy / Reponsibility (Prime's death being an indirect result of his recklessness) and Sacrifice (the deaths of Ultra Magnus / Obi-wan Kenobi), to spur the hero forward, to step into his greater destiny.

That is why I think you can't really have Magnus without Hot Rod, because Magnus is (in effect) a supporting character in the larger tale that is Hot Rod's destiny as the next Prime.

** Not to say that UM isn't a good character, or worthless in any way - my opinion is entirely based on my memory of the character as presented in the original animated series/movie, as I am unfamiliar with the RiD intepretation, etc. **

by **Deadpool.** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:48 am

Sentry Prime wrote:the whole point of Magnus (from my interpretation) is that he serves as a platform for Hot rod to assume leadership. Magnus is an excellent soldier and 2nd in command, but seems to lack the spirit that seperates the good from the great, spirit that Hot Rod had.

Hot Rod's story is a "coming of Age" tale that draws much from the classic principals of the "Heroes Journey"(another example would be Luke Skywalker). He is the "peasent farmer", the everyman hero - and he must go through the steps of Tragedy / Reponsibility (Prime's death being an indirect result of his recklessness) and Sacrifice (the deaths of Ultra Magnus / Obi-wan Kenobi), to spur the hero forward, to step into his greater destiny.

That is why I think you can't really have Magnus without Hot Rod, because Magnus is (in effect) a supporting character in the larger tale that is Hot Rod's destiny as the next Prime.

** Not to say that UM isn't a good character, or worthless in any way - my opinion is entirely based on my memory of the character as presented in the original animated series/movie, as I am unfamiliar with the RiD intepretation, etc. **

Okay, but that still does not show that Magnus and Hot Rod have to be pretty much the way there were in G1.

After all, TFs came from an "Allspark" in the Movie, Cybertron died without the Allspark, TFs can regenerate from it, etc. That already shows that the Movie continuity is absolutely different from G1. Barricade got turned into a police car, Bonecrusher into a Buffalo, Megatron into a jet. So Magnus and Roddy may very well have 180 degree changes too. And Hot Rod does not necessarily have to become Prime, as Optimus does not necessarily have to die either.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:00 am

Sentry Prime wrote:the whole point of Magnus (from my interpretation) is that he serves as a platform for Hot rod to assume leadership. Magnus is an excellent soldier and 2nd in command, but seems to lack the spirit that seperates the good from the great, spirit that Hot Rod had.

Hot Rod's story is a "coming of Age" tale that draws much from the classic principals of the "Heroes Journey"(another example would be Luke Skywalker). He is the "peasent farmer", the everyman hero - and he must go through the steps of Tragedy / Reponsibility (Prime's death being an indirect result of his recklessness) and Sacrifice (the deaths of Ultra Magnus / Obi-wan Kenobi), to spur the hero forward, to step into his greater destiny.

That is why I think you can't really have Magnus without Hot Rod, because Magnus is (in effect) a supporting character in the larger tale that is Hot Rod's destiny as the next Prime.

** Not to say that UM isn't a good character, or worthless in any way - my opinion is entirely based on my memory of the character as presented in the original animated series/movie, as I am unfamiliar with the RiD intepretation, etc. **

While I agree 100% with your assesment of G1 toon Ultra Magnus [and Hot Rod] and I have made the exsact same statment on an other froums boards [weird] Your statement only applys to G1 toon UM.There have been other interpatations of G1 Ultra Magnus.Besides the toon version there have been the U.K. Marvel UM who's character devoloped with out the help of Hot Rod.As a matter of fact most of UM's apperances in the Marvel U.K. books didnt even have Hot Rod in it.The botcon G1 books and the Dreamwave G1 books had UM character in a different lite as well being the leader of a special opps group of Autobots knowen as the Wreakers that was tired of being compaired to Optimus Prime.The IDW's G1 UM is a bounty hunter and a bad @$$.None of these G1 Ultra Magnus'es have any connection to Hot Rod.
And lets not forget the RID Ultra Magnus.He hated Prime and wanted to steal the Matrix and become the new leader himself.....a lot like G1 Starscream I would say.

by **Nightracer GT** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:05 am

I really want RiD Magnus in this. Hell, I'll even settle for them to combine into Omega Prime, but I won't hold my breath on that one.

That or Grimlock is trying to usurp Prime, but I'd rather just see Grimlock as a reckless asshole who visibly hates humans and the autobots can't stand him, but in the end he saves the day.

by **Sentry Prime** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:27 am

Deadpool. wrote:...After all, TFs came from an "Allspark" in the Movie, Cybertron died without the Allspark, TFs can regenerate from it, etc. That already shows that the Movie continuity is absolutely different from G1. Barricade got turned into a police car, Bonecrusher into a Buffalo, Megatron into a jet. So Magnus and Roddy may very well have 180 degree changes too. And Hot Rod does not necessarily have to become Prime, as Optimus does not necessarily have to die either.

...Touch'e!

News Credits: 2 · by **Decepticon Spike** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:15 am

Savage wrote:
Jazzz wrote:I kinda want Wheeljack and Jazz 2
Jazz wasnt in the movie enough and hes like one of the most popular G1 characters
He's one of the people who didnt die in the 1986 movie

Which is why he died in this movie. Jazz is dead. Mourn him, and let him go.

Finally someone agrees with me!

by **prowl24** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:07 am

A dual leadership within the Autobots rank if Ultra Magnus does exist. That's quite good. It makes the story filled with twists and unexpected if there are rivalry between him and Optimus.

And the Decepticons could exploit this weakness for their own gain. ;;)

by **iopele** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:30 am

I agree that the Autobots need some air power, but I'd rather see Skyfire/Jetfire in that role. After all, Bay's a believer in bigger is better, and Skyfire was the biggest bot on Earth before the combiners showed up. The tension between him and Starscream could also be played really well in the movie. If you remember his debut episode in G1, he was Starscream's buddy before crashing in the ice during an exploration mission and getting lost. His defection to the Autobots would definitely be a dramatic power shift.

(edited for spelling boo-boos)

by **y2jas** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:50 am

Hot Rod would look good as a red Ford GT with two white stripes. It would be good to have a character that can bring a new dyamnic to the movie and someone who thinks with this heart first and then his head. Even if he doesn't become leader in the movie, it would be nice to see him mature through the movie.

by **iopele** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:37 pm

y2jas wrote:Hot Rod would look good as a red Ford GT with two white stripes. It would be good to have a character that can bring a new dyamnic to the movie and someone who thinks with this heart first and then his head. Even if he doesn't become leader in the movie, it would be nice to see him mature through the movie.

Hot Rod always bugged me. I really hope they don't bring him into the movies at all. I never understood why people liked him so much, but then again, I was an Optimus Prime groupie from day one and Rodimus was no Optimus. (Yes, I know that was the point, but I still didn't like it. Hey, I was 9, seeing Optimus die was traumatic for me! Of course I hated his successor, especially since he pretty much caused Optimus's death... okay, climbing off soapbox...)

Perhaps a bit OT but you know what I'd like to see in TF2 and 3? More of the fun interplay between the Autobots. They showed a little of that (Jazz's introduction, Ratchet going into the power-lines and saying, "Ooh, that's tingly!") but there really wasn't much of it, and it was such a big part of the series. (I refer to G1 because that's what I'm most familiar with.) The Autobots joked around, were always giving each other a hard time, and basically showing a lighter side of their personalities that wasn't in this TF movie. I know the plot was fast, intense, and there wasn't much time for it, but while we're talking about what we'd like to see, I thought I'd mention it just in case they really ARE listening to the fans. ;;)

News Credits: 9 · by **Sowndwave76** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:32 pm

ultra tron wrote:First of all, I'm all for a lot of new characters, but I want the sides to be more even.

It makes no sense to have wheeljack, hot rod, prowl, and then the decepticons get Thundercracker, soundwave, a gelstat combinder- giving the decepticons all the power houses.

ultra magnus as a poor mans prime is fine by me becasue Prime can't do everything alone, having a powerhouse like UM in in another general area in the world could work.

as for the one to challenge prime, I would pick Grimlock as the arrogant one. Grimlock leads his own team and they do what they want, leaving Prime as the one to TRY to set them straight. In a plot twist, I would love to see the dinobots as traitors, meaning they would rather overthrow prime, becasue they think thier ideals are better.

I disagree with having to have "even" sides.
In fact, that element could lead to (imo) nice twists in the plot AND set up potential scenarios for a third movie.

My idea is that part of this movie is about the Autobots getting dominated.
I'd love to see Devastator combined at least 3 times.
Once just to destroy stuff,
and a couple times in different battles.
If anything, to keep any battles, etc. from getting too lop-sided, maybe throughout the movie more and more Decepticons make it to Earth.
I do hope to see Thundercracker, Soundwave, Astrotrain, and maybe even Blitzwing.

I actually REALLY like your idea with the Dinobots, in fact to add to it,
I'd want to see a final battle with Devastator and the Dinobots, where this last scene is the FIRST appearance for Grimlock and the others.
THEN, when the battle's over (and I wouldn't necessarily want anyone totally destroyed/killed),
the Dinobots decide they don't want to be on a "side".
Not sure I'd want to see them attack Autobots, but maybe they go on a rampage where humans are hurt and/or killed, which would make them "bad guys".
Part of the plot for the third movie could be that the Autobots are trying to straighten them out.

To me, that will be one of the best ways to set-up a next movie--
incorporate more characters at the very end of the movie that
1. Make a badass ending and almost a second climax.
2. Obviously will create potential for a different/twist in plot.

Oh, and I don't really care to see Magnus... Just not a fan.

by **Swerve** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:25 am

ultra tron wrote:as for the one to challenge prime, I would pick Grimlock as the arrogant one. Grimlock leads his own team and they do what they want, leaving Prime as the one to TRY to set them straight. In a plot twist, I would love to see the dinobots as traitors, meaning they would rather overthrow prime, becasue they think thier ideals are better.

Actually, that very plot happened in "War of the Dinobots" in Season 1 of the G1 cartoon.

by **Swerve** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:45 am

Dark Zarak wrote:Ultra Magnus - I'm starting to hear the bad talk about him now. People say he's a weak Prime, he's monotonous, he'd be boring, but they fail to think of him in Michael Bay terms.

For one, he's big. He turns into an even bigger truck than Prime. That has to account for something.

But what I really like about him is the rivalry he could bring. I'm thinking RiD Magnus here. He was a jerk. He fought with Prime. That's what we need I think. A rivalry going on in the Autobot ranks. Why would that not be cool?

I'm not saying they should combine into Omega Prime, but hey, I'd be a fan if they did. Which brings me to...

I don't think Ultra Magnus being an even bigger truck than Prime really matters much. I'd rather see Ultra Magnus over Hot Rod, but I don't know what you can do to really make him a stand out character. I don't much care to see a rivalry among the Autobot ranks. I have a feeling we will already see a rivalry among the Decepticon ranks in TF2.

With Megatron dead or at least believed to be dead, it will create a power vacuum with several would be rulers clamoring for mantle of leader. Starscream will no doubt be one of the front runners. I also imagine that there will be several Megatron faithful like possibly Shockwave or Soundwave maybe who still view him as leader and seek to find his remains. He will then be rebuilt as Megatron or reforged as Galvatron possibly.

by **ultra tron** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:09 am

Swerve wrote:
ultra tron wrote:as for the one to challenge prime, I would pick Grimlock as the arrogant one. Grimlock leads his own team and they do what they want, leaving Prime as the one to TRY to set them straight. In a plot twist, I would love to see the dinobots as traitors, meaning they would rather overthrow prime, becasue they think thier ideals are better.

Actually, that very plot happened in "War of the Dinobots" in Season 1 of the G1 cartoon.

A perfect example for a G1 homage in the next movie.