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Man this thread is a great read, I need to go back and watch the end of BW and BM over again just to catch these references.

i dont know what mutated starscream's spark, but rampages spark was supposed to be copied from starscream

Do Starscream's Spark reside in the pilot cockpit?

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Auto Bot wrote:Do Starscream's Spark reside in the pilot cockpit?

No. The spark doesn't reside in any one particular part of the body. It suffuses the entire being.

Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Do Starscream's Spark reside in the pilot cockpit?

No. The spark doesn't reside in any one particular part of the body. It suffuses the entire being.

But it's got to have some center point. Like Prime's Spark in his chest. Or like, the human soul, according to Taoist religion, sits inside the head, located half way between the 2 eyes, just above the nose ridge.

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Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Do Starscream's Spark reside in the pilot cockpit?

No. The spark doesn't reside in any one particular part of the body. It suffuses the entire being.

But it's got to have some center point. Like Prime's Spark in his chest. Or like, the human soul, according to Taoist religion, sits inside the head, located half way between the 2 eyes, just above the nose ridge.

The human soul does not have a central part either, nor does it reside in one part of the body, at least not according to Christian faith. But that is a topic for the Philosofer's forum. According to TF: More than Meets the Eye #8, the spark does not reside in any single part of the body, but rather fills the entire being from head to toe.

Tramp wrote:

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Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Do Starscream's Spark reside in the pilot cockpit?

No. The spark doesn't reside in any one particular part of the body. It suffuses the entire being.

But it's got to have some center point. Like Prime's Spark in his chest. Or like, the human soul, according to Taoist religion, sits inside the head, located half way between the 2 eyes, just above the nose ridge.

The human soul does not have a central part either, nor does it reside in one part of the body, at least not according to Christian faith. But that is a topic for the Philosofer's forum. According to TF: More than Meets the Eye #8, the spark does not reside in any single part of the body, but rather fills the entire being from head to toe.

In that case....
How did Frenzy survived.. and Jazz did not?

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Tramp wrote:

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Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Do Starscream's Spark reside in the pilot cockpit?

No. The spark doesn't reside in any one particular part of the body. It suffuses the entire being.

But it's got to have some center point. Like Prime's Spark in his chest. Or like, the human soul, according to Taoist religion, sits inside the head, located half way between the 2 eyes, just above the nose ridge.

The human soul does not have a central part either, nor does it reside in one part of the body, at least not according to Christian faith. But that is a topic for the Philosofer's forum. According to TF: More than Meets the Eye #8, the spark does not reside in any single part of the body, but rather fills the entire being from head to toe.

In that case....
How did Frenzy survived.. and Jazz did not?

Frenzy is dead. His head was destroyed by his own weapon in that final battle, and that is universally fatal except inthe case of an aberrant spark, like G1 Starscream's. Jazz suffered mass ive catastrophic damage to his major systems.

Tramp wrote:

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Tramp wrote:

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Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Do Starscream's Spark reside in the pilot cockpit?

No. The spark doesn't reside in any one particular part of the body. It suffuses the entire being.

But it's got to have some center point. Like Prime's Spark in his chest. Or like, the human soul, according to Taoist religion, sits inside the head, located half way between the 2 eyes, just above the nose ridge.

The human soul does not have a central part either, nor does it reside in one part of the body, at least not according to Christian faith. But that is a topic for the Philosofer's forum. According to TF: More than Meets the Eye #8, the spark does not reside in any single part of the body, but rather fills the entire being from head to toe.

In that case....
How did Frenzy survived.. and Jazz did not?

Frenzy is dead. His head was destroyed by his own weapon in that final battle, and that is universally fatal except inthe case of an aberrant spark, like G1 Starscream's. Jazz suffered mass ive catastrophic damage to his major systems.

Frenzy seem to die when his head was chopped off. (Take note: "seem to die", this is not confirmed yet, until TF2)

But Frenzy didn't die when his body was chopped off. (from the neck down, that is)

I suffice the body should survive in that scene. But surprisingly, it's the bloody head the survived.

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Tramp wrote:

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Tramp wrote:

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Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Do Starscream's Spark reside in the pilot cockpit?

No. The spark doesn't reside in any one particular part of the body. It suffuses the entire being.

But it's got to have some center point. Like Prime's Spark in his chest. Or like, the human soul, according to Taoist religion, sits inside the head, located half way between the 2 eyes, just above the nose ridge.

The human soul does not have a central part either, nor does it reside in one part of the body, at least not according to Christian faith. But that is a topic for the Philosofer's forum. According to TF: More than Meets the Eye #8, the spark does not reside in any single part of the body, but rather fills the entire being from head to toe.

In that case....
How did Frenzy survived.. and Jazz did not?

Frenzy is dead. His head was destroyed by his own weapon in that final battle, and that is universally fatal except inthe case of an aberrant spark, like G1 Starscream's. Jazz suffered mass ive catastrophic damage to his major systems.

Frenzy seem to die when his head was chopped off. (Take note: "seem to die", this is not confirmed yet, until TF2)

But Frenzy didn't die when his body was chopped off. (from the neck down, that is)

I suffice the body should survive in that scene. But surprisingly, it's the bloody head the survived.

In the first instance, when his head was simpoly cut off, he survived because his brain case was still intact. In the latter instsance, when he split his own head with his own weapon, his brain casing was destroyed. The reason why his head survived in the firest instance instead of the body is because the cerebro circuitry is what controls everything, just like our brains contro our bodies.

Tramp wrote:

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Tramp wrote:

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Tramp wrote:

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Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Do Starscream's Spark reside in the pilot cockpit?

No. The spark doesn't reside in any one particular part of the body. It suffuses the entire being.

But it's got to have some center point. Like Prime's Spark in his chest. Or like, the human soul, according to Taoist religion, sits inside the head, located half way between the 2 eyes, just above the nose ridge.

The human soul does not have a central part either, nor does it reside in one part of the body, at least not according to Christian faith. But that is a topic for the Philosofer's forum. According to TF: More than Meets the Eye #8, the spark does not reside in any single part of the body, but rather fills the entire being from head to toe.

In that case....
How did Frenzy survived.. and Jazz did not?

Frenzy is dead. His head was destroyed by his own weapon in that final battle, and that is universally fatal except inthe case of an aberrant spark, like G1 Starscream's. Jazz suffered mass ive catastrophic damage to his major systems.

Frenzy seem to die when his head was chopped off. (Take note: "seem to die", this is not confirmed yet, until TF2)

But Frenzy didn't die when his body was chopped off. (from the neck down, that is)

I suffice the body should survive in that scene. But surprisingly, it's the bloody head the survived.

In the first instance, when his head was simpoly cut off, he survived because his brain case was still intact. In the latter instsance, when he split his own head with his own weapon, his brain casing was destroyed. The reason why his head survived in the firest instance instead of the body is because the cerebro circuitry is what controls everything, just like our brains contro our bodies.

So where does the life-giving Spark fit in?

Is the Brains or the Spark, crucial for survival?

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So where does the life-giving Spark fit in?

Is the Brains or the Spark, crucial for survival?

Both. According to TF More than Meets the Eye #8, "Most damage is not fatal to a Cybertronian outright; even dramatic system damage can eventually be repaired. It takes a sustained and immence amount amount of damage to permanently extinguish a spark, although it's certainly not impossible. Any damage that affects the subject's neuro-circuits is capable of destroying that Cybertronian permanently; the destruction of the brain casing is uniformly fatal—except in the case of an aberrant spark." (TF MtMtE #8 page 15).

*Shakes head* It really depends where the spark is. I'd assume that it's in different places on certain Transformers, such as, possibly the sholder reegion with Brawn, The Chest with Ratchet, etcetera, going by the Movie, since Brawn dies of one shot to the shoulder. Kinda just an idea, but it makes the most sense.

It isn't in different locations in different TransFormers. IT fills the entire TransFormer.What "killed" Brawn was the massive amont of internal damage from the blast. Qhute possibly, he had simply gone into stasis lock, though it is quite probable that the Decepticons would have completely finished him off on the trip to Earth, off camera.

Yeah, based on your OPINION. Not your factual based evidence, your opinion, which you seem to have a great habit of forcing onto everyone, even when your opinion is proven wrong, i.e. every topic which turns into a multipage debate because of your stubborn dictatorness, i.e. the Transformers for girls thread, and the Soundwave as a truck thread. Let someone else voice their opinion, and you can have yours, OK, slappy?

Damolisher wrote:Yeah, based on your OPINION. Not your factual based evidence, your opinion, which you seem to have a great habit of forcing onto everyone, even when your opinion is proven wrong, i.e. every topic which turns into a multipage debate because of your stubborn dictatorness, i.e. the Transformers for girls thread, and the Soundwave as a truck thread. Let someone else voice their opinion, and you can have yours, OK, slappy?

No, not based upon my opinion. I gave a direct quote from an official source on the matter Damolisher. Like it or not, according to canon, the Spark does not reside in one part of the body. It fills the entire body. That is canon.

And, for the record, you haven't "proven" me wrong on anything.

Uh-huh, and where IS this canon you speak of? Let me guess, your little profile books?

Damolisher wrote:Uh-huh, and where IS this canon you speak of? Let me guess, your little profile books?

It's all there, cited with page number and everything. And Damolisher, please layoff the attitude. It's getting old real quick, and no one wants to deal with it.

OK, here's the deal, slappy, once again, your f*cking lame books don't cover every Transformers Universe, only the DREAMWAVE COMICS. And I'll cut the attitude when you stop trying to argue with everyone who disagrees with your opinion, you sotp trying to act like those stupid comics are the Transformers bible, and you stop trying to act like you're the big man in charge around here, and stop talking to me like you're tring to be my father.

Damolisher wrote:OK, here's the deal, slappy, once again, your f*cking lame books don't cover every Transformers Universe, only the DREAMWAVE COMICS. And I'll cut the attitude when you stop trying to argue with everyone who disagrees with your opinion, you sotp trying to act like those stupid comics are the Transformers bible, and you stop trying to act like you're the big man in charge around here, and stop talking to me like you're tring to be my father.

Damolisher, cut the BS right now. First off, you're the one coming in over a week later spouting off contradictory stuff and trying to start a fight. No one was arguing until you stepped in to start one. Now please, cut it out!

Secondly, the information I gave is the only canon source which states the location of the spark within a TransFormer . It is a canon source. Deal with it and get over it.

I wasn't starting a fight, I was voicing my opinion, the only reason it comes across as a fight is because you're an obsequious douchebag who uses outdated profile books as canon for all continuities involving G1, when Dreamwave has a different continuity to the cartoon, which has a different continuity to Marvel US. To try and bridge them all is an exercise in futility, and you need to stop forcing your opinions on others.

And you are being a Troll. Knock it off.

Pull your head in. Bloody know your role and stop telling long time users how to conduct themselves. If anyone's a troll around here, it's you, Mr "I wish I knew everything about Transformers, so I try to force my false opinions and perceptions on everyone, even if I'm informed they're false by people who know more!" As I said, Dreamwave's comics DON'T equal the same continuity as the cartoon, therefore their explanations DON'T COUNT if used forthe cartoon. That's like trying to say Dreamwave's Books overwrite Marvel's Universe Profiles, which are displayed here on Seibertron.

Damolisher wrote:Pull your head in. Bloody know your role and stop telling long time users how to conduct themselves. If anyone's a troll around here, it's you, Mr "I wish I knew everything about Transformers, so I try to force my false opinions and perceptions on everyone, even if I'm informed they're false by people who know more!" As I said, Dreamwave's comics DON'T equal the same continuity as the cartoon, therefore their explanations for the cartoon DON'T COUNT.

Damolisher, the length of time you are a member of a board does not mean squat. So get off your high horse. Throwing around insults is flaming. That is the actions of a troll, which is what you are doing, and have repeatedly been doing.

Secondly, yes, the Dreamwave explaintations count. First off, this isn't a discussion of just the cartoon, or just the Marvel comics, or just the Dreamwave comics. This is a discussion about Starscream's spark. Therefore, any canon reference which explains this is viable souce material, and the Dreamwave comics are the only source which specifically deals with where the spark is located within the body of a TransFormer.