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KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:

Overcracker wrote:However underneath all that they are still Alternity Convoys.

And why should that matter? I mean after Takara put out Fortress Maximus, they also made Grand Maximus and Brave Maximus. Any fan could dismiss them and just say they are Fortress Maximus with added changes. But they do not. And we do not dismiss any of the original figures (as well as Raiden and others) because they were originally Diaclone and Microman toys. And how many people today complain about that, or even dismiss them with the samelevel of logic you are using to dismiss this line?

Point being is that the nearly 30 year history of Transformers, the Alternity/GT connection is just them continuing tradition and it should not matter. What should matter is how the final product looks, and how the story behind this line plays out. (Because with me, I am getting Star Saber at least. And for the same reason why I bought "Alternity" Dai Atlas.)

Who's dismissing anything? I'm stating a fact. I never said they were worth less, or less desirable. Its just a fact. They are alternity Convoys in a new line. Some may like them some may not. The entire point of this was expecting something different out of a mold we've already seen, and know about.

In your own reference, it would be like expecting Brave Maximus or Grand Maximus to be 6 inches tall instead of 24.

Nobody here is saying they are bad, or less of a figure or anything. They simply are what they are.

Overcracker wrote:Who's dismissing anything? I'm stating a fact. I never said they were worth less, or less desirable. Its just a fact. They are alternity Convoys in a new line. Some may like them some may not. The entire point of this was expecting something different out of a mold we've already seen, and know about.

In your own reference, it would be like expecting Brave Maximus or Grand Maximus to be 6 inches tall instead of 24.

Nobody here is saying they are bad, or less of a figure or anything. They simply are what they are.

Never assumed any of that. And I never implied that. So let me make my point be clear.

So I'll simplify so there is nothing for you to assume, as assumptions are worthless: The transformation mode is Alternity. The authenticity of the cars are not what increased the price because they are collaborating with Super GT Racing. They never stated the scaling, which means that the final product may have the previous kinks fixed and also have these at a slightly larger scale. And calling these Alternity is like calling all three Maximus toys, "Fortress Maximus with different paint jobs."

And for the other part you missed: Transformers are mostly Diaclone and Microman toys, but nobody cares. Those who do care still own both and admire the differences they have. In the end, all we have are two of the three being finalized - And one of the three possibly having changes made. But until we have a final product at hand, it is better to speculate and hope instead of assume and dismiss.

An entire toyline, based on three molds. Just wow.

RhA wrote:An entire toyline, based on three molds. Just wow.

Seems like two are currently confirmed. And we can guess that more are on the way.

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I am hoping that is the case since we now need a Ginrai to be added.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:

RhA wrote:An entire toyline, based on three molds. Just wow.

Seems like two are currently confirmed. And we can guess that more are on the way.

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I am hoping that is the case since we now need a Ginrai to be added.

Come to think of it, it's four molds. Convoy, Megatron, Bumblebee and Starscream. That's it.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Who's dismissing anything? I'm stating a fact. I never said they were worth less, or less desirable. Its just a fact. They are alternity Convoys in a new line. Some may like them some may not. The entire point of this was expecting something different out of a mold we've already seen, and know about.

In your own reference, it would be like expecting Brave Maximus or Grand Maximus to be 6 inches tall instead of 24.

Nobody here is saying they are bad, or less of a figure or anything. They simply are what they are.

Never assumed any of that. And I never implied that. So let me make my point be clear.

So I'll simplify so there is nothing for you to assume, as assumptions are worthless: The transformation mode is Alternity. The authenticity of the cars are not what increased the price because they are collaborating with Super GT Racing. They never stated the scaling, which means that the final product may have the previous kinks fixed and also have these at a slightly larger scale. And calling these Alternity is like calling all three Maximus toys, "Fortress Maximus with different paint jobs."

And for the other part you missed: Transformers are mostly Diaclone and Microman toys, but nobody cares. Those who do care still own both and admire the differences they have. In the end, all we have are two of the three being finalized - And one of the three possibly having changes made. But until we have a final product at hand, it is better to speculate and hope instead of assume and dismiss.

You need step down a peg here. Just because someone has an opinion differing from yours does not mean you need to start taking personal offense. This isn't the first time you've done this. I'd take fellow collectors words for it, that they know what they're talking about. Because honestly, if you think Takara's going to revamp these molds and upscale them - well that's more wishful thinking then actually assessing what HasTak does with their molds.

By all means on a random whim, maybe Takara does upsize the mold, but there's nothing leaning towards them doing that. The people you've been arguing with over the past few weeks don't just have collections that number in the hundreds, but in the thousands. They've experienced these toys in their hands and have seen the quality and development of the Transformers in nearly three decades, all in person. It`s more than just looking at pictures and TFwiki that leads to expertise in this field.

I'm more or less leaning to the Alternity scale, any bigger then they'll be like MP Lambor's scale already.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:
Never assumed any of that. And I never implied that. So let me make my point be clear.

So I'll simplify so there is nothing for you to assume, as assumptions are worthless: The transformation mode is Alternity. The authenticity of the cars are not what increased the price because they are collaborating with Super GT Racing. They never stated the scaling, which means that the final product may have the previous kinks fixed and also have these at a slightly larger scale. And calling these Alternity is like calling all three Maximus toys, "Fortress Maximus with different paint jobs."

And for the other part you missed: Transformers are mostly Diaclone and Microman toys, but nobody cares. Those who do care still own both and admire the differences they have. In the end, all we have are two of the three being finalized - And one of the three possibly having changes made. But until we have a final product at hand, it is better to speculate and hope instead of assume and dismiss.

I confused now as to what you are complaining about in my posts then.

You commented on a post I made in answer to someone else originally and said I was dissmising the line.

When I answered and explained why I answered what I had, then you say I'm assuming things.

I suggest you go back and read my posts before you commented, so you understand what I was saying and in what context.

With all that said, in 12 Years of adult collecting, and 25 years of being in the fandom all together I've never seen Takara or Hasbro re-release a figure and change its original scale in any way.

Its not something they do. Is it possible? of course it is. Is it likely? Not very.

Blurrz wrote:You need step down a peg here. Just because someone has an opinion differing from yours does not mean you need to start taking personal offense. This isn't the first time you've done this. I'd take fellow collectors words for it, that they know what they're talking about. Because honestly, if you think Takara's going to revamp these molds and upscale them - well that's more wishful thinking then actually assessing what HasTak does with their molds.

By all means on a random whim, maybe Takara does upsize the mold, but there's nothing leaning towards them doing that. The people you've been arguing with over the past few weeks don't just have collections that number in the hundreds, but in the thousands. They've experienced these toys in their hands and have seen the quality and development of the Transformers in nearly three decades, all in person. It`s more than just looking at pictures and TFwiki that leads to expertise in this field. [/color]

With all due respect to you and others here, but I find your statement about me to be both discriminating and ultimately offensive. Because just because some people have more Transformers in their collection does not mean they know every nook and cranny tied to them. It means that they have the ability to be seen as an elitist among collectors, and either dismiss the "inferior" fans (like you have with me) or realize that they have something to offer them.

In my case, which you chose to ignore, is that I have been a fan of the franchise since 1984. I can tell you every little detail when it comes to the original Optimus Prime, down to its one major flaw. I can even tell you everything you need to know about Takara Tomy's Encore line, as well as find information not always found on TFwiki or Wikipedia. Stuff that I have been trying to offer, but you ultimately snubbed in a discriminating manner.

It is like PrymeStriker once said in his own way to me when I mentioned that I have been a fan of the series since 1984: "Do not act like an elitist because you have been a fan for longer than most, nor have a collection larger than what they have. Be a fan who is willing to be there for others, as that is what this community is all about."

And FYI, this Aspergers-Anxiety hybrid has two published articles under his belt. And the level of research given here is at the same level that had me sort out the entire Haruhi Suzumiya timeline and conclude that "Disappearance" was to become a movie, when others thought it would follow "Endless 8." And your own dismissal with me when it came to Fortress Maximus had you ignore the fact that I used a translator when seeking out anything tied to that piece while taking into accord what every blogger tied to Shmax says about the Encore line. In other words, I am trying to give the fans any information that comes our way, regardless of what language it is in. Because if Seibertron can get photographer elbow giving us detailed photos, I might as well strain my eyes giving him and others the required information they want and/or need to know.

Oh, and one of the people I am sure you are talking about told me that I do not know him, yet made claims as if he knows me. And yet, he did not show any real appreciation when I made any kind of effort pointing out that their LIMITED RELEASE was also an ANNIVERSARY PIECE when it comes to their ORIGINAL PIECE. Oh, and that their second set of photos were reissued from original stock photos. I found that out when trying to figure out how the "Encore" box will look.

So with the prototype, have you seen the current incarnation in person? Take a look. Take into account of the following, and please try to realize why I chose to stick with that conclusion before the final product is out:

1) Takara Tomy announced that they are partnering with Super GT Racing. This means that while TOMY needs to license the required cars for this line, while Super GT Racing supplies them with any racing teams that may (or may not) want to be tied to this collaboration. Do those promotional decals are not the additional price, especially since it is free advertising.

2) The Convoy Corp. Alternity line had structural issues tied to the doors. Stress marks have been reported, and some have even broken off. So while remaking the mold for the prototype, it is easy to presume that this was taken into account. Which means that the price hike may be due to additional detailing and add-ons, an increase in size, and/or the fact that it needs to be done in order for all parties tied to these figures to make a profit.

So my conclusion is that unless the girls are just for show, we may see these be somewhat bigger (Kiss Players or Binaltech Asterisk size, maybe?) and definitely better. I say this because I do not see a 1:1 scale of the photo, to me the item looks like it is bigger... And if so, that may help them have this be appealing to not just the Transformers fanbase, but also the Super GT Racing fanbase.

Is that sound enough of an argument for you? Or do I need to type up my credentials tied to how I do my research in order to obtain any respect from you? And I say that not being rude, but because they is how unwelcome you have made me feel.

Alright, well me and KMM have reconciled whatever differences that we have. Uhhh, yeah, just pretend that last few posts didn't happen. Cool.