The Energon Pub

Dagon wrote:

OmegaPrime273 wrote:What's the difference between fanboy and fan

If people disagree with you or otherwise find your opinion unreasonable, you're a fanboy.

If you agree with everyone else, then you're a fan.

A fanboy is generally used as an insult because you've committed some atrocity like questioning an official release or a design decision, or that you have a preference or opinion in a hobby that more than one other person doesn't share.

In reality, it is a meaningless term.

I agree. Its nothing more than a derogatory term created by geeks who want to target a fellow fan who is going against the grain. If we went by Kanrabats long dragged out definition, then he himself would be the ultimate fanboy. But not a TF fanboy though. Im talking about a different Hasbro brand that he is known for glorifying on this site that most TF fans hate. And he does it on purpose to troll TF fans. If thats not a fanboy, than what is ?

But in each wave of figures there was a Bumblebee repaint/mold of some sort...so yeah people aren't gonna buy a million of one character... Especially when they're saving $ to get the others. The company loses money when people don't buy what u produced. No ones blaming "Bumblebee" just the poor manufacturing

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Rated X wrote:All the excuses about mattel. Im sure they could have created a "not" Ferarri the same way they created a "not" Lamborghini and a "not" Jeep in the classics line. They were too busy creating new molds of bumblebee that had nothing to do with DOTM. Nuff said.

True, they did for the Audi R8 for Sideways here (who was a last-minute deal and minor character btw). I don't think Ferrari is that forgiving, but the Speed Stars toy being an approximation of a Ferrari 458...

And stop blaming Bumblebee, it's getting old.

I blame bumblebee for world hunger, terrorism, and global warming. Bumblebee is going to kill us all.

But in each wave of figures there was a Bumblebee repaint/mold of some sort...so yeah people aren't gonna buy a million of one character... Especially when they're saving $ to get the others. The company loses money when people don't buy what u produced. No ones blaming "Bumblebee" just the poor manufacturing

Dagon wrote:

Wolfguard wrote:

Dagon wrote:

OmegaPrime273 wrote:What's the difference between fanboy and fan

If people disagree with you or otherwise find your opinion unreasonable, you're a fanboy.

If you agree with everyone else, then you're a fan.

Lol - so no disagreements can ever occur between fans? I don't believe that at all. Fans can definitely have disagreements, and I've had my fair share of being against or for opinions of people I've had discussions with. I think Kanrabat hit the nail on the head perfectly. The "fanboys" don't discuss with any sort of reasonable logic, they just react to differing opinions based on a highly emotive state of mind.

They still have an opinion, and it's only 'wrong' because you or others don't agree with it.

Aaaand where did I say they couldn't have an opinion or voice it? Seems like the point is moot since it's not being advocated. Big difference in stating an observation on the differences between certain types of people and saying they shouldn't be allowed to speak.

It's perfectly valid to them. It's not up to you to determine whether or not someone's opinion or feeling is based on logic that you find acceptable and is thus a valid opinion.

This is pure double talk. You're saying it's perfectly fine for them to voice an opinion in public...but I can't give an opinion on their opinion. Err...I was under the impression that having a discussion in a forum is exactly that - a discussion. And my point is when the discussion falls apart due to their reliance on emotions rather than information to get their point across. The opinion may be valid to them, but when silly things like personal attacks such as "Bayfans=tehsuXXorz" or "Gee-wunners" start entering the fray, I will certainly dismiss the person as anything more than a rabid fan (fanboy) who's throwing a childish tantrum. And that's when I don't care about their opinion. <--- an opinion which is no less valid.

My point was that 'fanboy' gets used when others decide that an opinion is not up to their standard and is thus invalid based on the notion that someone else doesn't like it.

And I don't disagree with that. It can certainly get overused like the word "Troll" towards differing opinions, in which case I equally dismiss the person(s) since that's also an emotive response rather than an information based counter argument.

I might be misreading your point, so I'll just clarify mine. I'm not one to call out someone unless or until they demonstrate they are fitting a description. My "cut-off" point is when the discussion or argument gets personal and over emotive. I always want to hear both side of a disagreement, but have no problem dismissing someone who starts mudslinging.

Wolfguard wrote:

Dagon wrote:

It's perfectly valid to them. It's not up to you to determine whether or not someone's opinion or feeling is based on logic that you find acceptable and is thus a valid opinion.

This is pure double talk. You're saying it's perfectly fine for them to voice an opinion in public...but I can't give an opinion on their opinion. Err...I was under the impression that having a discussion in a forum is exactly that - a discussion. And my point is when the discussion falls apart due to their reliance on emotions rather than information to get their point across. The opinion may be valid to them, but when silly things like personal attacks such as "Bayfans=tehsuXXorz" or "Gee-wunners" start entering the fray, I will certainly dismiss the person as anything more than a rabid fan (fanboy) who's throwing a childish tantrum. And that's when I don't care about their opinion. <--- an opinion which is no less valid.

No, it isn't. I never said you or anyone else couldn't have or share an opinion. What I'm saying is that fanboy gets applies to some person who's opinion is deemed invalid because it is different from what a 'fan's' opinion would be.
If I think Bay sucks or is the best ever, that would make me a fanboy to those who disagree with my opinion.
If I think G1 is the best or is crap, that would make me a fanboy to those who disagree with my opinion.
Fanboy gets used as a brush off because the opinion expressed doesn't fit with the one that a 'fan' "should" have. If I should like the Bay movies because they've brought money and exposure and blah blah blah, then a dissenting opinion should be accepted as well, regardless of what that opinion is. Yes, there are 'bad' opinions for lack of a better term, but thinking the Bay movies are bad because one doesn't like the "humor" or robot designs is a valid opinion. It gets met with accusations of being a fanboy or a Geewunner because it's not the opinion that a 'fan' "should" have, which apparently means liking everything because that makes one a fan.

If we both give opinions and disagree, that's perfectly fine. It's how life works, actually.
If we give opinions and disagree, and then I brush you off as some pejorative name, that's wrong. 'Fanboy' slinging is the second one.

But, I respect the right of others to their opinions, so whatevs.

*EDIT: Absolutely, to the part of your quote in bold. All opinions are valid, at least to me when it comes to plastic robots, but I don't have any personal issue with people giving something other than the 'fan' approved answer. Like, if you still, after all this time, think there are too many Bumblebees, I'm fine with that, and I support your opinion. I'm not going to say it's an old or overused argument, because it's your opinion, and I respect the value of an opinion even if I disagree personally.

Then I think for the most part, we agree. I definitely don't agree with using "fanboy", "troll" or "hater" to dismiss someone at the start of a conversation OR as a means to silence opposition. It's done all too often and exposes people for the weak position they are in.

I do still maintain, however, that I will disregard anyone who's acting up in a discussion, as I would a child throwing a tantrum. It's not to the extent that I want them silenced - I never want that for anyone - but if someone takes things to the extent that it needs to be done, I'm not going to cry foul either. People have to have boundaries, and bad behavior - even when voicing opinions - can't be tolerated, otherwise you end up with anarchy.

This screams Ultra Magnus repaint. That trailer.....

Sooooo, should we get back on topic?

Personally, I would really really like that they add Deluxe Leadfoot in this line. The regular one go for an absurd price so I wouldn't mind having a premium paint job for half the price the regular one go on Ebay.

Wolfguard wrote:Then I think for the most part, we agree. I definitely don't agree with using "fanboy", "troll" or "hater" to dismiss someone at the start of a conversation OR as a means to silence opposition. It's done all too often and exposes people for the weak position they are in.

I do still maintain, however, that I will disregard anyone who's acting up in a discussion, as I would a child throwing a tantrum. It's not to the extent that I want them silenced - I never want that for anyone - but if someone takes things to the extent that it needs to be done, I'm not going to cry foul either. People have to have boundaries, and bad behavior - even when voicing opinions - can't be tolerated, otherwise you end up with anarchy.

I'd thought of this as well, shortly after my last post. It does seem like we're saying the same thing more or less, just that I'm doing it in a much less articulate fashion. And I agree with disregarding people who clearly should be disregarded; it's the dismissal part you mention earlier that I have a hard time with. That kind of thing reminds me how much fun the hobby is without the fandom.

MGrotusque wrote:This screams Ultra Magnus repaint. That trailer.....

I agree. Might not be a bad way to get a movieverse Ultra Magnus.

Rated X wrote:

Dagon wrote:

OmegaPrime273 wrote:What's the difference between fanboy and fan

If people disagree with you or otherwise find your opinion unreasonable, you're a fanboy.

If you agree with everyone else, then you're a fan.

A fanboy is generally used as an insult because you've committed some atrocity like questioning an official release or a design decision, or that you have a preference or opinion in a hobby that more than one other person doesn't share.

In reality, it is a meaningless term.

I agree. Its nothing more than a derogatory term created by geeks who want to target a fellow fan who is going against the grain. If we went by Kanrabats long dragged out definition, then he himself would be the ultimate fanboy. But not a TF fanboy though. Im talking about a different Hasbro brand that he is known for glorifying on this site that most TF fans hate. And he does it on purpose to troll TF fans. If thats not a fanboy, than what is ?

There's no need for personal attacks like this. Staff are getting tired of having to deal with complaints against you. From now on, it's warnings.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Sooooo, should we get back on topic?

Personally, I would really really like that they add Deluxe Leadfoot in this line. The regular one go for an absurd price so I wouldn't mind having a premium paint job for half the price the regular one go on Ebay.

I second this. Actually, I would love to see deluxe Leadfoot as the Target Exclusive that never happened last time. Maybe they can do a set of all the "Wrecker" brothers with premium paint jobs, sponsor logos and all.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Sooooo, should we get back on topic?

Personally, I would really really like that they add Deluxe Leadfoot in this line. The regular one go for an absurd price so I wouldn't mind having a premium paint job for half the price the regular one go on Ebay.

I second this. Actually, I would love to see deluxe Leadfoot as the Target Exclusive that never happened last time. Maybe they can do a set of all the "Wrecker" brothers with premium paint jobs, sponsor logos and all.

Hell yeah!

Get us a set with the 3 Wreckers, with premium paint jobs and sponsor logos, as a set! I would so love that.

Better yet, why not creating and publishing Human Alliance Topspin? Unfortunately, it will never be. Not even 3rd party because "only G1 sell".

LOOKS LIKE CRAP, LOL

They call this a trailer on the back??

This is the worse Movie Optimus Prime to date .

PASS, PASS, PASS , will gladly spend my money else where.

I was just curious of the terms of the words guys thanx...no arguing needed

G1COLLECTOR wrote:LOOKS LIKE CRAP, LOL

They call this a trailer on the back??

This is the worse Movie Optimus Prime to date .

PASS, PASS, PASS , will gladly spend my money else where.

It's a 20ft Pup trailer like the FEDEX and UPS trailers on the interstates and the fact that you can run them tandem wiggle wagon style is just FRIKKIN' Awesome! Prime can have a trailer for each Autobot on his team if he wanted, and smash Decepticons with trailerslike a giant Boa Constrictor!

EDIT: Oh, and it shares some similarites with the recent Rescue Bots trailer Prime sported (shorter though)

when they show that optimus first time I couldn't stop laughing, ok they fixed backpack, perhaps they created PANTSPACK!!!



and now with this new extra trailer pack


I just can't stop thinking in :

BERSEKAEL wrote:when they show that optimus first time I couldn't stop laughing, ok they fixed backpack, perhaps they created PANTSPACK!!!
(hillarious images)

I like how they had to put two of them together to actually make it look like a real trailer.

Burn wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Dagon wrote:

OmegaPrime273 wrote:What's the difference between fanboy and fan

If people disagree with you or otherwise find your opinion unreasonable, you're a fanboy.

If you agree with everyone else, then you're a fan.

A fanboy is generally used as an insult because you've committed some atrocity like questioning an official release or a design decision, or that you have a preference or opinion in a hobby that more than one other person doesn't share.

In reality, it is a meaningless term.

I agree. Its nothing more than a derogatory term created by geeks who want to target a fellow fan who is going against the grain. If we went by Kanrabats long dragged out definition, then he himself would be the ultimate fanboy. But not a TF fanboy though. Im talking about a different Hasbro brand that he is known for glorifying on this site that most TF fans hate. And he does it on purpose to troll TF fans. If thats not a fanboy, than what is ?

There's no need for personal attacks like this. Staff are getting tired of having to deal with complaints against you. From now on, it's warnings.

I understand. Maybe the staff should just ban the use of the term "fanboy" altogether. Its obviously a word that nobody agrees on and just starts arguements. Less threatning words have been banned from this site such as one that starts with the letter "r".

Who are AD-18 and AD-19?

https://twitter.com/TFYUKI/status/478154254364856322/photo/1

KirbyForce1 wrote:Who are AD-18 and AD-19?

We don't know yet, but chances are one of them is the Movie Trilogy retool of Wheeljack. Movie Trilogy Ratchet and Soundwave got released in an adapted from as AD15 and AD17 respectively.

My AD-01 Leader Prime & AD-12 Revenge Prime arrive today... so excited!