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News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:51 pm

william-james88 wrote:Another pic, here is MB Soundwave nxt to HA Barricade. As can be seen, they are 2 different scales and dont scale well with eachother. Which is great news for MPM BB and Soundwave

How can two HA toys be differently scaled? :???:

News Credits: 4868 · by **william-james88** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:36 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:How can two HA toys be differently scaled?

Because they dont scale well with eachother. Just like how 2 MPs can be differently scaled, which is very much the case in that line.

Soundwave isnt supposed to be shorter than BB, but the HA toy is shorter than HA BB

News Credits: 460 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:39 pm

william-james88 wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:How can two HA toys be differently scaled?

Because they dont scale well with eachother. Just like how 2 MPs can be differently scaled, which is very much the case in that line.

But Human Alliance (discounting the DOTM Basics) was always its own single scale class.

The way I see it, HA Soundwave isn't out of scale, but instead has awkward proportions that render him more stout and squat than he should be. Compare the proportions of the Deluxe DOTM Soundwave mold that make that figure stand in a more tall and proud stature.

News Credits: 101 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:14 am

And speaking of PERFECT car mode, the ENTIRE Alternators / Binaltech line just cant be beat. Not only all the interior is there with barely any bots bits visible, all of them barely have panels lines that go outsides the natural ones found on an actual car. The hood can lift to reveal the engine. Rubber tires. Perfectly accurate licenced vehicles. Some even have the opening trunk. Clear headlights. Turning front wheels gimmick for the cars, suspention for the jeeps. Many have panels that HIDE THE UNDERSIDE.

Sure, the consequence for these perfect car modes was ofthen a less than perfect bot with limited articulations. But the real goal of the line was to make those infamous 1:24 "collectible" diecast car models transformable. And they succeeded aplenty.

News Credits: 460 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:50 am

There's also Universe (2003) Chevy Aveo Swerve with his very nice, realistic altmode and his rather charming robot mode that, while not "AMAZING" and kinda generic overall, gives him the appearance of a young action protagonist ready to take on the world.

News Credits: 101 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:10 am

Sabrblade wrote:There's also Universe (2003) Chevy Aveo Swerve with his very nice, realistic altmode and his rather charming robot mode that, while not "AMAZING" and kinda generic overall, gives him the appearance of a young action protagonist ready to take on the world.

That's not a Movie figure? Because it feel very "bayish". I LIKE IT!

Looking on Ebay

UGH! :-(

News Credits: 12 · by **Overcracker** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:14 am

william-james88 wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:How can two HA toys be differently scaled?

Because they dont scale well with eachother. Just like how 2 MPs can be differently scaled, which is very much the case in that line.

Soundwave isnt supposed to be shorter than BB, but the HA toy is shorter than HA BB

You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.

HA is a unified scale.

While soundwave ends up being a shorter robot mode, he is in scale in vehicle mode, and can in fact accommodate the human alliance humans. Any of them. Including the smaller HA basics humans.

I believe the scale being used is 1:24, like most model cars.

Soundwave is in this scale, his robot mode ends up being a tad shorter than the rest, but that's a byproduct of the transformation and the fact that an actual Mercedes SLS is slightly smaller than a Chevy Camaro and a Ford Mustang. Not a scale difference just a physical mass and size difference.

Scale is not size. Scale determines size, but is not based on the size.

News Credits: 4868 · by **william-james88** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:59 pm

Where's the fallacy in saying that HA Soundwave doesnt scale well with HA BB in robot mode?

News Credits: 101 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:55 pm

william-james88 wrote:Where's the fallacy in saying that HA Soundwave doesnt scale well with HA BB in robot mode?

Because you didnt specify precisely that it was for the robot mode only.

I consider the most important scale to be the vehicle. Then, the bot mode will come as is. But heh, I'm pretty forgiving because "scale" don't apply to transformers... Ever.

Case in point:
This appen INSIDE Astrotrain. A bot that is supposed to be the same size as the rest of the crew.

News Credits: 460 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:02 pm

william-james88 wrote:Where's the fallacy in saying that HA Soundwave doesnt scale well with HA BB in robot mode?

It'd be better to say that he doesn't "size" well with Bumblebee in robot mode, as its the toy's stout proportions that throw off his height with Bee. They put too much into the robot mode's width that it neutered his height.

News Credits: 12 · by **Overcracker** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:50 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Where's the fallacy in saying that HA Soundwave doesnt scale well with HA BB in robot mode?
It'd be better to say that he doesn't "size" well with Bumblebee in robot mode, as its the toy's stout proportions that throw off his height with Bee. They put too much into the robot mode's width that it neutered his height.

Exactly.

He is scaled correctly. He does not size well in robot mode at that scale.

The Movie gets around this by changing his actual size in robot mode. He's bigger, and has more leg mass than what the toy presents, and based on the transformation of the toy what he should really have in the movie.

News Credits: 25 · by **Ironhidensh** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:22 pm

Bah, I broke down today and bought movie best Starscream. I'm very tempted on both Primes, but I've resisted the temptation so far.

News Credits: 460 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:37 pm

Ironhidensh wrote:Bah, I broke down today and bought movie best Starscream.

I don't care how much people may whine about that mold's hands, the ROTF Voyager Starscream mold is awesome and I hope you enjoy it as much as I do. ;)^

News Credits: 101 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:11 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Bah, I broke down today and bought movie best Starscream.
I don't care how much people may whine about that mold's hands, the ROTF Voyager Starscream mold is awesome and I hope you enjoy it as much as I do.

They could have went the extra mile and remake those hands AS PROMISED IN THE OFFICIAL INSTRUCTIONS. Especially for a line that is "premium" and "for collectors". >:oP

...

Need more coffee to cope for that bull.

News Credits: 460 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:58 am

-Kanrabat- wrote:They could have went the extra mile and remake those hands AS PROMISED IN THE OFFICIAL INSTRUCTIONS. Especially for a line that is "premium" and "for collectors".

Yes, a line that it SO "premium" that it consists of nothing but straight redecos and no new tooling on any of its figures whatsoever.

And perhaps you didn't hear me.

Sabrblade wrote:I don't care how much people may whine about that mold's hands, the ROTF Voyager Starscream mold is awesome

News Credits: 4868 · by **william-james88** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:08 am

Sabrblade wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:They could have went the extra mile and remake those hands AS PROMISED IN THE OFFICIAL INSTRUCTIONS. Especially for a line that is "premium" and "for collectors".
Yes, a line that it SO "premium" that it consists of nothing but straight redecos and no new tooling on any of its figures whatsoever.

We still get something we never got before right?

This is the first leader prime to have the retooled abdomen, hands and faceplate right? None of that is new tooling of course, but its a new tooling combo right?

News Credits: 460 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:32 am

william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:They could have went the extra mile and remake those hands AS PROMISED IN THE OFFICIAL INSTRUCTIONS. Especially for a line that is "premium" and "for collectors".
Yes, a line that it SO "premium" that it consists of nothing but straight redecos and no new tooling on any of its figures whatsoever.

We still get something we never got before right?

This is the first leader prime to have the retooled abdomen, hands and faceplate right? None of that is new tooling of course, but its a new tooling combo right?

If by "we" you mean "Japan" since this is a line being released over in that country.

And the abdomen, hands, and face combo was previously released in the 2015 Asia Premium Series APS-01U Optimus Prime Ultimate Edition, and which was certainly more "premium" a release than this one is.

News Credits: 25 · by **Ironhidensh** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:46 am

-Kanrabat- wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Bah, I broke down today and bought movie best Starscream.
I don't care how much people may whine about that mold's hands, the ROTF Voyager Starscream mold is awesome and I hope you enjoy it as much as I do.

They could have went the extra mile and remake those hands AS PROMISED IN THE OFFICIAL INSTRUCTIONS. Especially for a line that is "premium" and "for collectors".

...

Need more coffee to cope for that bull.

Ha! Says the guy who likes the 2007 movie Starscream mold.

News Credits: 4868 · by **william-james88** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:11 am

Sabrblade wrote:
And the abdomen, hands, and face combo was previously released in the 2015 Asia Premium Series APS-01U Optimus Prime Ultimate Edition

It wasn't, look at the face:

The MB line gives a new combo we never got before. As for APS01U being more premium, well it better be, it costs 2-3 times as much.

News Credits: 460 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:15 am

william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
And the abdomen, hands, and face combo was previously released in the 2015 Asia Premium Series APS-01U Optimus Prime Ultimate Edition

It wasn't, look at the face:

Then why did you say that the MB figure had the retooled version of the head?

News Credits: 4868 · by **william-james88** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:52 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
And the abdomen, hands, and face combo was previously released in the 2015 Asia Premium Series APS-01U Optimus Prime Ultimate Edition

It wasn't, look at the face:
Then why did you say that the MB figure had the retooled version of the head?

I never said the head was retooled, only the abdomen. I specifically said this version had the faceplate.

I was saying how none of the tooling is new but the combination of tooling variance is.

News Credits: 12 · by **Overcracker** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:15 pm

For just shy of $100 bucks shipped, I think its well worth the price.

Faceplated Headsculpt, swords, hooks, knuckle claw, gas tank gun, lots of sounds, and a great paint job to boot.

BBTS still has has the 2015 Asia Premium Series APS-01U Optimus Prime Ultimate Edition available for $269.99.

https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/pro ... ode=retail

And I just don't see the the wings, guns, and stealth parts being worth over 3 times the price of the base figure.

News Credits: 101 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:03 pm

Ironhidensh wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:(ROTF voyager Starscream SUCK MIGHTY BALLS!)

Ha! Says the guy who likes the 2007 movie Starscream mold.

At least, you KNOW what you get with the '07 mold. It's honest and it's flaws are right in your face. Never mind that it's cleverly designed and fun to play with.

ROTF voyager Starscream on the other hand have the elbows that bend the wrong way for starter. Annoying, sure, but forgivable. But when you buy the thing, the jet's butt-hands don't clearly appear on the photo on the box (DOTM version). Then, you transform it for the first time from bot to jet by following the instructions... Right up the step that tell you to fold the hands inside. You try to do it BUT THERE IS NO HINGES! So you are stuck with the most perfect jet ever made in a while BUT WITH BUTT-HANDS. Like a giant F-U zit on top of the belle's nose.

I felt like Simba at that time:

News Credits: 654 · by **ScottyP** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:34 pm

ScottyP wrote:And the inevitable arrives! Outside of the Dinobots I'm unlikely to grab any of these but I think for serious Movieverse fans these are slick, gorgeous looking commemoratives.

This guy is a dirty liar. I can see not only the Dinobots, but Evasion OP, Megatron, Shockwave, Soundwave, and Ratchet on his table right now! Heard there's even Leader OP on the way. Scandal!

News Credits: 4868 · by **william-james88** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:18 pm

ScottyP wrote:
ScottyP wrote:And the inevitable arrives! Outside of the Dinobots I'm unlikely to grab any of these but I think for serious Movieverse fans these are slick, gorgeous looking commemoratives.
This guy is a dirty liar. I can see not only the Dinobots, but Evasion OP, Megatron, Shockwave, Soundwave, and Ratchet on his table right now! Heard there's even Leader OP on the way. Scandal!

I am glad you found room in your budget for these. I think these are more satisfying than most toys we will be getting from TLK toyline and I found the value really good. The voyagers (and HA soundwave) were the same price as Legends Lio Convoy at my Japanese retailer of choice, which is pretty remarkable when you think of how premium these toys are.