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[steals_your_goats]

I find it fascinating that these are being met with such lackluster enthusiasm, if not out right general dislike - for one reason or another.

I can't actually remember a time when a full wave of TT figures was met with a unanimous 'meh'; Whether it be colors, price for what you're getting, removing 'key components' (headmaster partners - lookin' at you not-crashbash), it seems like TT may have struck out entirely with a lot of people, and this is strange to me

I don't think it's that Takara struck out rather that Hasbro stepped it up so that there wasn't much for Takara to improve on.

[Hellscream9999]

I find it fascinating that these are being met with such lackluster enthusiasm, if not out right general dislike - for one reason or another.

I can't actually remember a time when a full wave of TT figures was met with a unanimous 'meh'; Whether it be colors, price for what you're getting, removing 'key components' (headmaster partners - lookin' at you not-crashbash), it seems like TT may have struck out entirely with a lot of people, and this is strange to me

I don't think it's that Takara struck out rather that Hasbro stepped it up so that there wasn't much for Takara to improve on.

Perhaps, I think TT needs to get galvy's color down properly, that lilac is really not helping him, but I like all of the hasbro ones more than TT's (especially Crashbash )

[kurthy]

I find it fascinating that these are being met with such lackluster enthusiasm, if not out right general dislike - for one reason or another.

I can't actually remember a time when a full wave of TT figures was met with a unanimous 'meh'; Whether it be colors, price for what you're getting, removing 'key components' (headmaster partners - lookin' at you not-crashbash), it seems like TT may have struck out entirely with a lot of people, and this is strange to me

I don't think it is so much "meh" for the TT versions, they did a very good job. It's just Hasbro did a decent job on TR and people don't feel compelled to pay more (because of shipping) for the TT version.

EDIT: Sorry, I got pulled away and someone else typed mostly the same thing.

[Hellscream9999]

I find it fascinating that these are being met with such lackluster enthusiasm, if not out right general dislike - for one reason or another.

I can't actually remember a time when a full wave of TT figures was met with a unanimous 'meh'; Whether it be colors, price for what you're getting, removing 'key components' (headmaster partners - lookin' at you not-crashbash), it seems like TT may have struck out entirely with a lot of people, and this is strange to me

I don't think it is so much "meh" for the TT versions, they did a very good job. It's just Hasbro did a decent job on TR and people don't feel compelled to pay more (because of shipping) for the TT version.

EDIT: Sorry, I got pulled away and someone else typed mostly the same thing.

That's okay, it's called 'discussion' for a reason, and I'm inclined to agree with you in that hasbro had the simple task of making thme look appropriate and they did so with aplomb, and people probably don't want ot pay import prices/fee's for these - especially if they know that they're going to have to double-dip on the titanmasters anyways

[kurthy]

I find it fascinating that these are being met with such lackluster enthusiasm, if not out right general dislike - for one reason or another.

I can't actually remember a time when a full wave of TT figures was met with a unanimous 'meh'; Whether it be colors, price for what you're getting, removing 'key components' (headmaster partners - lookin' at you not-crashbash), it seems like TT may have struck out entirely with a lot of people, and this is strange to me

I don't think it is so much "meh" for the TT versions, they did a very good job. It's just Hasbro did a decent job on TR and people don't feel compelled to pay more (because of shipping) for the TT version.

EDIT: Sorry, I got pulled away and someone else typed mostly the same thing.

That's okay, it's called 'discussion' for a reason, and I'm inclined to agree with you in that hasbro had the simple task of making thme look appropriate and they did so with aplomb, and people probably don't want ot pay import prices/fee's for these - especially if they know that they're going to have to double-dip on the titanmasters anyways

I really appreciate not having to pay import prices. I've been increasing my collection a lot the last year, picking up a lot of the one's I missed during the end of the 2000s and Henkei prices have been tough to fit into the budget then throw in UW Dev, Bruticus and Galvatron plus Shockwave. Being able to pick up the retail release and not feel disappointed is going to be nice!

[Hellscream9999]

I find it fascinating that these are being met with such lackluster enthusiasm, if not out right general dislike - for one reason or another.

I can't actually remember a time when a full wave of TT figures was met with a unanimous 'meh'; Whether it be colors, price for what you're getting, removing 'key components' (headmaster partners - lookin' at you not-crashbash), it seems like TT may have struck out entirely with a lot of people, and this is strange to me

I don't think it is so much "meh" for the TT versions, they did a very good job. It's just Hasbro did a decent job on TR and people don't feel compelled to pay more (because of shipping) for the TT version.

EDIT: Sorry, I got pulled away and someone else typed mostly the same thing.

That's okay, it's called 'discussion' for a reason, and I'm inclined to agree with you in that hasbro had the simple task of making thme look appropriate and they did so with aplomb, and people probably don't want ot pay import prices/fee's for these - especially if they know that they're going to have to double-dip on the titanmasters anyways

I really appreciate not having to pay import prices. I've been increasing my collection a lot the last year, picking up a lot of the one's I missed during the end of the 2000s and Henkei prices have been tough to fit into the budget then throw in UW Dev, Bruticus and Galvatron plus Shockwave. Being able to pick up the retail release and not feel disappointed is going to be nice!

Yeah, it's just a shame that hasbro's all but abandoned paint apps, as they do look very plain - even the TT one's

[Nemesis Destron]

I loooove going against the majority. I think Takara's Galvatron is just epic and I've always said it...if you want the best then you gotta pay for the best...'nuff said!

[william-james88]

I find it fascinating that these are being met with such lackluster enthusiasm, if not out right general dislike - for one reason or another.

I can't actually remember a time when a full wave of TT figures was met with a unanimous 'meh'; Whether it be colors, price for what you're getting, removing 'key components' (headmaster partners - lookin' at you not-crashbash), it seems like TT may have struck out entirely with a lot of people, and this is strange to me

Then you must not be remembering the Animated Line. Boy was Takara not the prodigal son on that one. It was either that the paint difference was minimal (just the white outline on the autobot symbol) or that the paint scheme was just hated. Here are 2 examples:




And worse was the Arms Micron line. Takara royally screwed up on it. The stickers replacing the paint apps was not liked by almost all fans and the fact that people were given inappropriate weapons and instead had extra holes to accommodate the microns was also disliked. Instead of Wheeljack being painted and having his two swords, he had no paint, only one odd looking sword, and holes all over his alt mode:



So Takara has gotten bigger "meh"s in the past.

Yes, it was called 'Generations' for a reason, when it came out it offered figures from various lines, BW, G1, comics, Armada... that was soon lost though, and the gen line blows for having done so

?? Generations is just a take all line that doesnt really have anything to do with anything. The Deluxe AOE toys were under generations and there were 2 years dedicated to the video game toys. Generations is just a catch all title with no real significance.

[Hellscream9999]

I find it fascinating that these are being met with such lackluster enthusiasm, if not out right general dislike - for one reason or another.

I can't actually remember a time when a full wave of TT figures was met with a unanimous 'meh'; Whether it be colors, price for what you're getting, removing 'key components' (headmaster partners - lookin' at you not-crashbash), it seems like TT may have struck out entirely with a lot of people, and this is strange to me

Then you must not be remembering the Animated Line. Boy was Takara not the prodigal son on that one. It was either that the paint difference was minimal (just the white outline on the autobot symbol) or that the paint scheme was just hated. Here are 2 examples:




And worse was the Arms Micron line. Takara royally screwed up on it. The stickers replacing the paint apps was not liked by almost all fans and the fact that people were given appropriate weapons and instead had extra holes to acomodate the microns was also disliked. Instead of Wheeljack being painted and having his two swords, he had no paint, only one odd looking sword, and holes all over his alt mode:



So Takara has gotten bigger "meh"s in the past.

Really

I didn't really follow the forums back then (getting ready for college and whatnot) glad to see this isn't their first strike-out

[william-james88]

I didn't really follow the forums back then (getting ready for college and whatnot) glad to see this isn't their first strike-out

You can look back as far as G1 when they werent able to release Sky Lynx, who was a Hasbro exclusive. That must have sucked for so many Japanese fans.

[fenrir72]

Galvatron's flight mode reminds me of Super Megatron back in Battlestars

[Hellscream9999]

It kinda looks like his cannon connects to him via the headmaster port

Oh the shenanigans you could get into if this is the case

[fenrir72]

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[bvzxa]

Takara versions of the headmasters are a go. I'm not too pleased with either Galvatron as he should have a bluish-tinge to his color scheme. SO my Mania King Vintage version is still on the shelf. Price be damned, as soon as HLJ puts up there preorders, its a go

[Cyberpath]

Takara versions of the headmasters are a go. I'm not too pleased with either Galvatron as he should have a bluish-tinge to his color scheme. SO my Mania King Vintage version is still on the shelf. Price be damned, as soon as HLJ puts up there preorders, its a go

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[xMXUx]

I doubt it'll be cheaper in any way. You have to factor in that 1. It's Japanese. 2. Import costs 3. Different paint 4. Brand new heads. 5. Vehicles in exclusive colors.
Or given that almost always, TT versions have been more expensive than Hasbro releases.

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Ok, so now onto your point, yes as soon as you bring in import costs it will never be cheaper unless one lives in japan. For sure. But I tend to judge the toys in their own rights. As it might be more expensive for me, its not Takara's fault that I live in a country they dont distribute in and thus have to pay a higher fee. So I was judging the price more than the cost, which as you mention indeed will always be higher.

So yeah, Takara will almost* never be cheaper, but I just wonder if there are enough differences worth paying the extra importing cost. In this case I really dont feel its so. Much unlike Combiner Wars.

*Takara sometimes is cheaper when the actual hasbro counterpart is not sold in my country (Canada) which happened quite a bit last year. We never got Gen Arcee or the online exclusive combiner limbs Slingshot and Wildrider. it turned out that it was more expensive to import the Hasbro version from the states than the takara version from japan. And yeah, even if I buy all the Superion components minus Slingshot locally.

Same situation here in Switzerland. I have to import the toys either way, be it Hasbro or Takara. Most of them never make it to any stores, and even if they do eventually show up which is quite rare, they cost at least the same if not more, than importing them would cost.
And I found that importing from Japan tends to be cheaper than importing from the US (extremely high shipping cost) or the UK (bad exchange rate).

[-Kanrabat-]

I'm really looking forward the domestic release of this line. Especially for Galvatron!

[frogbat]

I like the Hasbro purple better.

ditto - they're going for cartoon accuracy but the deception toy purple is always cooler

[ZeroWolf]

Hmm as nice as these colours are, I'll stick with hasbro, plus galvatron looks better with darker colours each time if you ask me. I'm surprised no one has kicked off about the fact that takara has kept galvy a headmaster

Though can't wait to see what the comics will be like with these guys in them.

[william-james88]

I'm surprised no one has kicked off about the fact that takara has kept galvy a headmaster

We all knew that Takara couldnt work miracles. He cant transform with the head attached, Takara wasnt going to reinvent the wheel. And unlike say Devastator, these toys were designed by hasbro and not them.

[Cyberpath]

Just for fun:

From The Ark Addendum.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

[Supreme Convoy]

Oh man. Galvatron with a Megatron Headmaster is amazing looking!

[King Kuuga]

Instead of Wheeljack being painted and having his two swords, he had no paint, only one odd looking sword, and holes all over his alt mode:

Arms Micron Wheeljack clearly has both his swords in his backpack in that picture. He also has a little bit of paint, but I'll assume you were exaggerating that point.

I'm actually intrigued by these Legends Headmasters. I guess I've grown so accustomed to dramatic differences between hasbro and Takara, whether good or bad, that these relatively similar figures are shocking. And while, as Will mentioned, it's not the first time people have preferred Hasbro, it's at least the first time I can recall where Hasbro has been the generally preferred option when Takara's isn't offensively bad.

[Hellscream9999]

Instead of Wheeljack being painted and having his two swords, he had no paint, only one odd looking sword, and holes all over his alt mode:

Arms Micron Wheeljack clearly has both his swords in his backpack in that picture. He also has a little bit of paint, but I'll assume you were exaggerating that point.

I'm actually intrigued by these Legends Headmasters. I guess I've grown so accustomed to dramatic differences between hasbro and Takara, whether good or bad, that these relatively similar figures are shocking. And while, as Will mentioned, it's not the first time people have preferred Hasbro, it's at least the first time I can recall where Hasbro has been the generally preferred option when Takara's isn't offensively bad.

It's the lilac, TT just can't nail that color and it kills the figure every time

That and the price, I assume