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Postby Agamemnon » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:38 pm

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby Noideaforaname » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:58 pm

These comics are so bizarre.

... but I like that seated cannon mode they gave Shockwave.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:50 am

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william-james88 wrote:The planet in Japanese is called Seibertron?


Yes, the explanation is that thanks to the staggering amount of homophones (words or parts of words that while having different meanings sound the same) in Japanese, they love wordplay and puns.
The word for "planet" is 惑星 wakusei, but usually just the last character 星 hoshi or -sei- ("star" or more broadly, "celestial body") is needed to get the meaning across. The English "cy-" sounds similar to the Japanese "sei-", so there you go. :-B
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:53 am

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william-james88 wrote:The planet in Japanese is called Seibertron?


Yes, the explanation is that thanks to the staggering amount of homophones (words or parts of words that while having different meanings sound the same) in Japanese, they love wordplay and puns.
The word for "planet" is 惑星 wakusei, but usually just the last character 星 hoshi or -sei- ("star" or more broadly, "celestial body") is needed to get the meaning across. The English "cy-" sounds similar to the Japanese "sei-", so there you go. :-B
How does "cy-" ("sigh") sound like "sei-" ("say")? :???:
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:00 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
william-james88 wrote:The planet in Japanese is called Seibertron?


Yes, the explanation is that thanks to the staggering amount of homophones (words or parts of words that while having different meanings sound the same) in Japanese, they love wordplay and puns.
The word for "planet" is 惑星 wakusei, but usually just the last character 星 hoshi or -sei- ("star" or more broadly, "celestial body") is needed to get the meaning across. The English "cy-" sounds similar to the Japanese "sei-", so there you go. :-B
How does "cy-" ("sigh") sound like "sei-" ("say")? :???:


I did say "similar", as in, similar enough to make it work, in combination with the faction "Cybertron". Despite the minute difference in pronunciation, some Japanese media did write "Cybertron" for the planet.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby Agamemnon » Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:55 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
william-james88 wrote:The planet in Japanese is called Seibertron?


Yes, the explanation is that thanks to the staggering amount of homophones (words or parts of words that while having different meanings sound the same) in Japanese, they love wordplay and puns.
The word for "planet" is 惑星 wakusei, but usually just the last character 星 hoshi or -sei- ("star" or more broadly, "celestial body") is needed to get the meaning across. The English "cy-" sounds similar to the Japanese "sei-", so there you go. :-B
How does "cy-" ("sigh") sound like "sei-" ("say")? :???:

Is it us Americans at fault? The only thing I liked about the Matthew Broderick Godzilla movie was the cute blonde reporter's response to the dick-ish reporter when he said, "God-zilla," and she replied, "no you idiot, it's Gojira," or something like that. Could this be us idiot Americans hearing an Asian accent say "say-ber-tron" and think they are trying to say "sigh-ber-tron?"

(And this was all self deprecating! No insult meant to anyone!!)
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:03 am

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Sabrblade wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
william-james88 wrote:The planet in Japanese is called Seibertron?


Yes, the explanation is that thanks to the staggering amount of homophones (words or parts of words that while having different meanings sound the same) in Japanese, they love wordplay and puns.
The word for "planet" is 惑星 wakusei, but usually just the last character 星 hoshi or -sei- ("star" or more broadly, "celestial body") is needed to get the meaning across. The English "cy-" sounds similar to the Japanese "sei-", so there you go. :-B
How does "cy-" ("sigh") sound like "sei-" ("say")? :???:

Is it us Americans at fault? The only thing I liked about the Matthew Broderick Godzilla movie was the cute blonde reporter's response to the dick-ish reporter when he said, "God-zilla," and she replied, "no you idiot, it's Gojira," or something like that. Could this be us idiot Americans hearing an Asian accent say "say-ber-tron" and think they are trying to say "sigh-ber-tron?"

(And this was all self deprecating! No insult meant to anyone!!)
None taken, but the Japanese did say both "sigh-ber-tron" and "say-ber-tron" back in the day. It's just they used "sigh-ber-tron" for the good guy faction instead of the planet (as we English-speakers do), while using "say-ber-tron" for the planet instead. :PEACE:
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby X3ROhour » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:29 pm

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But I dig Takara's interiors.
And the touch on the blaster.


That touch on the blaster is one of the things I like least about Takara's. Having owned a G1 Scourge for almost 30 years, it just seems super wrong to me for that (particularly as a sensor in ship mode) to be anything but solid blue with a red dot.

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His canopy in vehicle mode...

I transform my new little buddy into vehicle mode
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The answer is no, no it does not:

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You can tilt the back of the seat forward a little bit on its transformation hinge to make it a look a little more like a sealed chamber, if you like.

Butt... y?

Why make such a freaking odd design... choice?
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:46 pm

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Z3ROhour wrote:Butt... y?

Why make such a freaking odd design... choice?
Flaw?

Nitpicking
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Grrrrrrr...

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That's how it was on the G1 toy and animation model. Blurr always had an open gap behind his cockpit. The animation model even rendered the gap as an open air convertible-esque cockpit (only minus any converting roof). And IIRC, since Blurr was one of the TFTM-original designs, the cartoon model for him came first, so it's the toy that didn't fully capture the open cockpit look of the cartoon:

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Look no further than his Animation Model:

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Ok...
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POOP!

Still stinks

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby Insurgent » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:18 am

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Insurgent wrote:I still can't figure out that comic,
How so?



The ordering of the panels. I'm going right to left, but it just seems off the way I'm reading it. Like, Minerva makes the comment about leaving those guys, and later gets all excited at seeing Cancer. I just find it a bit of a chore to read. Although I'm usually ok at reading right to left.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby primalxconvoy » Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:17 am

Insurgent wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Insurgent wrote:I still can't figure out that comic,
How so?



The ordering of the panels. I'm going right to left, but it just seems off the way I'm reading it. Like, Minerva makes the comment about leaving those guys, and later gets all excited at seeing Cancer. I just find it a bit of a chore to read. Although I'm usually ok at reading right to left.


This is my point. Could someone pop numbers next to all of the speech bubbles, to show how to read it please? Then, if it's still strange, I can ask my Japanese friend/s to help me give an alternative translation.

No offense to the original translators!
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:13 am

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Sabrblade wrote:
Insurgent wrote:I still can't figure out that comic,
How so?



The ordering of the panels. I'm going right to left, but it just seems off the way I'm reading it. Like, Minerva makes the comment about leaving those guys, and later gets all excited at seeing Cancer. I just find it a bit of a chore to read. Although I'm usually ok at reading right to left.
Starting from the bottom half of the second page, there are five panels. The far right panel with everyone happily reunited comes first, then the top-left panel with Minerva berating the Cancer and Bullhorn comes next, followed by the three bottom-left panels from right-to-left. In this order, Minerva is happy to see Cancer again, but with her being the most responsible one of the young humans, it's natural for her to also berate Cancer and co. for their making her worry. It's like how a parent would be both happy to see their child but also scold them for their foolishness in this kind of situation. Minerva may be within the same age range as the others, but she's certainly the one who acts with the most responsibility on her shoulders by having to keep everyone else in check. That's how she is when working with a bunch of knuckleheads. :P
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby Insurgent » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:31 am

Ok, that makes sense. Thanks. And the super ginrai bit? Those bubbles seem very disjointed to me.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:34 am

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primalxconvoy wrote:
Insurgent wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Insurgent wrote:I still can't figure out that comic,
How so?



The ordering of the panels. I'm going right to left, but it just seems off the way I'm reading it. Like, Minerva makes the comment about leaving those guys, and later gets all excited at seeing Cancer. I just find it a bit of a chore to read. Although I'm usually ok at reading right to left.


This is my point. Could someone pop numbers next to all of the speech bubbles, to show how to read it please? Then, if it's still strange, I can ask my Japanese friend/s to help me give an alternative translation.

No offense to the original translators!
Done. (NOTE: I didn't number any of the text outside of the bubbles since those are meant to be read as asides from the bubbles)

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But please don't change the Japanese names. These characters aren't Nebulans or Cybertronians, and we're all Transformers savvy enough to know who they are. Masterforce and its characters are well liked by those who have seen that show. Ginrai is not Optimus, Cancer is not Squeezplay, etc. There needn't be any Westernization of the names for these characters presented in this story that's written to be in accordance to the Japanese continuity, as anyone with any real interest in this would be looking at how it's related to the Japanese continuity, rather than any of the English ones.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:46 am

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Insurgent wrote:Ok, that makes sense. Thanks. And the super ginrai bit? Those bubbles seem very disjointed to me.
See the numbering I did for additional reading assistance.

Any further issues at this point would then stem from the translation itself.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby Insurgent » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:26 am

Aaahhh, now it makes sense. Thank you so much!


But quick question, if that's Fortress on the Legends world, is the Fortress looking dude who sends them Grand? Looks like he's in Grand Maximus body (but small) but then switches to a Fortress body? Sorry if he's a different colour to distinguish him, he looks the same as Fortress to me.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:00 am

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Insurgent wrote:Aaahhh, now it makes sense. Thank you so much!


But quick question, if that's Fortress on the Legends world, is the Fortress looking dude who sends them Grand? Looks like he's in Grand Maximus body (but small) but then switches to a Fortress body? Sorry if he's a different colour to distinguish him, he looks the same as Fortress to me.
Fortress and Grand are brothers. Fortress is gray and Grand is teal. Unlike like Fort Max, Grand Maximus is not as super gigantic as Fort Max, so he can better interact with God Ginrai and such.

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby karyuudo » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:14 am

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Insurgent wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Insurgent wrote:I still can't figure out that comic,
How so?



The ordering of the panels. I'm going right to left, but it just seems off the way I'm reading it. Like, Minerva makes the comment about leaving those guys, and later gets all excited at seeing Cancer. I just find it a bit of a chore to read. Although I'm usually ok at reading right to left.


This is my point. Could someone pop numbers next to all of the speech bubbles, to show how to read it please? Then, if it's still strange, I can ask my Japanese friend/s to help me give an alternative translation.

No offense to the original translators!


None taken at all. However, I did have my wife (who's a native Japanese) review this before posting it :) So if there's any nuances that were missed, I'm blaming her! :lol:
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby Insurgent » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:33 am

Ah. I remembered Fortress and Grand were brothers, but forgot Grand was so much smaller in Maximus mode. Being colourblind, I can see the difference in the toys between Fortress and Grand in their non maximus mode, but not in the comic. Thanks!
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby Autobot Roadburn » Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:28 pm

Just got the notification that my Legends Blurr came in on BBTS! I'm still going to wait for some more stuff to come in (found Chromedome at Target yesterday, so not desperate to ship him anymore). Hopefully Scourge will follow suit fairly quickly.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby Agamemnon » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:24 pm

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So, I was bumming that Legends Blurr is sold out everywhere. I have Hasbro's Blurr (which is awesome) so bummed not terribly so, but still.

Then I get a notice today from TFSource. I had forgotten I had, on impulse, grabbed him there while the preorder was still available. Here's my happy dance from getting the notification that he is in stock today and shipping soon... :DANCE:
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:32 am

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Agamemnon wrote:So, I was bumming that Legends Blurr is sold out everywhere. I have Hasbro's Blurr (which is awesome) so bummed not terribly so, but still.

Then I get a notice today from TFSource. I had forgotten I had, on impulse, grabbed him there while the preorder was still available. Here's my happy dance from getting the notification that he is in stock today and shipping soon... :DANCE:


I'm getting Blurr in a trade so I'm really happy. Now to dump my TR Blurr
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