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"IP infringing item" would probably be the most apt description for a third party product, and which can also apply to the classic dollar store/outlet store "bootleg" kind of knockoffs.Kurona wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Third party figures are a kind of knockoffs. They just knockoff visual IP designs rather than physical ones, regardless of how many artistic liberties and/or adjustments they may or may not make to said visual IP designs.Kurona wrote:They're talking about third parties rather than knockoffs.
As far as I knew the definition of a knockoff - at least in the context of Transformers - was to try and replicate an already-existing toy. Third Parties stand distinct from that in that they are completely original toys, just based on existing designs (unless it's something like that fansproject glacialord thing)
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:"IP infringing item" would probably be the most apt description for a third party product, and which can also apply to the classic dollar store/outlet store "bootleg" kind of knockoffs.Kurona wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Third party figures are a kind of knockoffs. They just knockoff visual IP designs rather than physical ones, regardless of how many artistic liberties and/or adjustments they may or may not make to said visual IP designs.Kurona wrote:They're talking about third parties rather than knockoffs.
As far as I knew the definition of a knockoff - at least in the context of Transformers - was to try and replicate an already-existing toy. Third Parties stand distinct from that in that they are completely original toys, just based on existing designs (unless it's something like that fansproject glacialord thing)
Burn wrote:I still feel Infernos transformation is some form of dark magic.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Emerje wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:Black Bumblebee wrote:Options are out there, yeah, but many want official. Official tends to do it better, and cheaper, than 3rd party.
Not anymore. Prices have leveled out pretty even, and quality is better in many cases.
Official is just a word that has lost its meaning. Don't let it keep you away from amazing transformer figures.
For some of us official is all that matters. Maybe it's lost meaning to those of you that don't mind owning knockoffs and bootlegs, but to the rest of us it's everything. I'll always support the companies that actually own the licenses over the ones that have stolen the likenesses.
And I don't know what you mean by the quality being "better in many cases", I've yet to see a single knockoff that I thought was superior to a Hasbro Masterpiece. Don't bother listing any to try to prove me wrong, I've seen them all, my opinion stands.
Emerje
even takara's versions seem to run cheaper than third party and most third party figures dont look right in the first place only a very few look so close to masterpiece for example a company called Transform and rollout has a Jazz figure thats sure to make you droolfenrir72 wrote:Emerje wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:Black Bumblebee wrote:Options are out there, yeah, but many want official. Official tends to do it better, and cheaper, than 3rd party.
Not anymore. Prices have leveled out pretty even, and quality is better in many cases.
Official is just a word that has lost its meaning. Don't let it keep you away from amazing transformer figures.
For some of us official is all that matters. Maybe it's lost meaning to those of you that don't mind owning knockoffs and bootlegs, but to the rest of us it's everything. I'll always support the companies that actually own the licenses over the ones that have stolen the likenesses.
And I don't know what you mean by the quality being "better in many cases", I've yet to see a single knockoff that I thought was superior to a Hasbro Masterpiece. Don't bother listing any to try to prove me wrong, I've seen them all, my opinion stands.
Emerje
Agree with you on this. If you want the official owners of the IP to produce what we want, we need to fork out our money to them first. Just imaging buying a 3rd party Fortmax costing like US$1000 when an official would cost only US$100. Same with Devastator. Compare that to the 3rd party ones.
Kurona wrote:Unless I'm mistaken - and I suspect I am - Isn't the reason most of the currently undone Season 1 bots are undone is because they can't get the licensing for their vehicles yet?
Then again, that doesn't explain Sunstreaker who's vehicle mode is supposed to be the exact same as Sideswipe's.
fenrir72 wrote:One thing to be sure with MPs, Inferno won't be SHELF WARMING the virtual shelves of online stores like Tracks and Roadrage![]()
This guy is sure gonna be HOT!
camzilla51 wrote:Nope, still black magic
Cyberpath wrote:I wouldn't bet on it. Every Masterpiece release since MP-25 is still in stock --
http://hlj.com/search/go?af=selectserie ... asterpiece
fenrir72 wrote:Cyberpath wrote:I wouldn't bet on it. Every Masterpiece release since MP-25 is still in stock --
http://hlj.com/search/go?af=selectserie ... asterpiece
hlj always has overstock
Cyberpath wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Cyberpath wrote:I wouldn't bet on it. Every Masterpiece release since MP-25 is still in stock --
http://hlj.com/search/go?af=selectserie ... asterpiece
hlj always has overstock
Only since MP-25.
fenrir72 wrote:Not just MP. Even in other anime related items. They are the go get to as a last resort if the main heavy hitters amiami and hobbysearch gets sold out. But we might be digressing here.
Shockwave, kinda expensive. The rest, well lucky for those who missed the boat. They better be bought until supply lasts.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Ironhidensh wrote:Yeah, I think the Dia clone was called "Artfire"
Inferno and Grapple kept their Diaclone colors, minus some slightly extra chrome and molded Mitsubishi logos the Diaclone versions had.Kurona wrote:Does anyone know if Inferno's original Diaclone (or Microman or whatever he came from) toy had any different colours to his Transformers release? Or Grapple? Because that'd be the one of this mold I'd eventually get. Because again, weird
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Inferno and Grapple kept their Diaclone colors, minus some slightly extra chrome and molded Mitsubishi logos the Diaclone versions had.Kurona wrote:Does anyone know if Inferno's original Diaclone (or Microman or whatever he came from) toy had any different colours to his Transformers release? Or Grapple? Because that'd be the one of this mold I'd eventually get. Because again, weird
Moonshot wrote:Inferno was made by witches! He looks so good, if only he was voyager size(for me anyway).
Moonshot wrote:Inferno was made by witches! He looks so good, if only he was voyager size(for me anyway).
fenrir72 wrote:Moonshot wrote:Inferno was made by witches! He looks so good, if only he was voyager size(for me anyway).
Just asking but if they, Takara go by the scale of the original Diaclones, and upsize it to todays (i.e.MP scale) it won't fit in a Voyager scale. And, even if at least Takara is following a it of scale to allow interactivity like UM or Optimus carrying the cars inside them, it would look weird for Inferno, a fire truck to be the same size as the cars. And lastly, I don't think Takara can cram it's vodoo magic with his ladder in a Voyager scale.
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