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A problem with that theory is that it would put Brave Maximus being on Earth after the Angolmois energy had already been taken from it in BWII and Neo, when Brave Maximus's purpose of being on Earth in Car Robots was to protect the "Gaia energy" ("Gaia" being the name that Earth would be called in the far future). The Kiss Players Position and 15 Go! Go! fiction from 2007 would later clarify that this "Gaia energy" was indeed the Angolmois of BWII and Neo, and that Primus/Vector Sigma had placed Brave Maximus on Earth in ancient times for him to watch over the Angolmois.william-james88 wrote:I know Sabr hates this theory, but its another way of looking at a joint continuity. Protoman has said that Car Robots is G1 but in the future. FAAAAAR future. So g1 happened and then after that we got Beast Wars right? In the Japanese Beast Wars show, they stay in the future (unlike Beast Wars which goes to the past) and they go to earth. So we get an idea of what future earth looks like, and its baren. It looks a lot like primitive earth. The theory is that, in a cyclicle nature, humans rose up again from this primitive future to once again become industry savy so that they can end up in a setting which looks like the year 2000 (their year 2000). Which is where Car Robots takes place. And that makes sense when you look that car robots uses both g1 and Beast Wars models, meaning that it can only take place after both exist.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
This is going out to everyone who reads this post: If anyone here who hasn't read the story that showed how the G1 seasons 1-2 Autobots and Decepticons got so damaged, I got links to it if ya'll wanna read it. It's an awesome story.Kurona wrote:Car Robots is stated to take place in 2000. And in this very comic it's stated to take place specifically during a time between Season 2 and the Movie where the G1 Autobots and Decepticons were damaged from fighting. So...
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:This is going out to everyone who reads this post: If anyone here who hasn't read the story that showed how the G1 seasons 1-2 Autobots and Decepticons got so damaged, I got links to it if ya'll wanna read it. It's an awesome story.Kurona wrote:Car Robots is stated to take place in 2000. And in this very comic it's stated to take place specifically during a time between Season 2 and the Movie where the G1 Autobots and Decepticons were damaged from fighting. So...
Four Japanese comic issues, read right-to-left, translated into English by Andrew "Hydra" Hall. Officially titled "Transformers: The Battle of Star Gate", but titled by Hydra in the translation as "Transformers: The Stargate Battles" (as the translation was done before the official English title was made known). The translation uses the Japanese names an terminology, but not intrusively. The story is set in the latter 1990s.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:This is going out to everyone who reads this post: If anyone here who hasn't read the story that showed how the G1 seasons 1-2 Autobots and Decepticons got so damaged, I got links to it if ya'll wanna read it. It's an awesome story.Kurona wrote:Car Robots is stated to take place in 2000. And in this very comic it's stated to take place specifically during a time between Season 2 and the Movie where the G1 Autobots and Decepticons were damaged from fighting. So...
I'd like the link. is it prose or a comic?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
o.supreme wrote:But basically, tying this back to UW, it comes down to what is easily recognizable. Nobody argues who Armada Thrust, Prime Breakdown, or Ghost Starscream are, because there are no other characters like them, there is no debate. Many fans like myself, who rely mostly on animated series for continuity will recognize Roller as the drone from the original animated series, whereas fans who are vested deeply in IDW will recognize him from that. I just think it was a poor choice all around, as it is the only character in this series that causes such a division among the fans because of his ambiguity.
Kurona wrote:If that sort of thing didn't happen we wouldn't be getting the sheer awesomeness of TR Triggerhappy
who??Kurona wrote:or the adorable Titan Master Shuffler.
o.supreme wrote:Kurona wrote:If that sort of thing didn't happen we wouldn't be getting the sheer awesomeness of TR Triggerhappy
He wasn't that obscure, he at least appeared in The Rebirthwho??Kurona wrote:or the adorable Titan Master Shuffler.
In any case...we have to acknowledge there is a large percentage of the fan base that have never read IDW. I didn't even know IDW comics were printed in Japan until recently, and from what I've been told they are far behind, and I can't imagine a large % of Japanese Transformers fans investing in them. I'm just trying to appeal to common sense. To *most* fans if you just hear the name "Roller" who do you think of? ---Honestly.
Again, I'm not saying Wandering Roller isn't IDW Roller, but how can most fans know about a character they don't even know exists? We've become accustomed to seeing new versions of various characters. Heck when I got this set, my 10 year old son asked the question why would "Roller" turn evil? He's never read an IDW comic in his life, so you know who he's thinking of.
A lot of the fandom thought that back in the day. The reason being was a short story printed in a catalog that accompanied the Japanese BWII toys that had Lio Convoy and Galvatron as contemporaries of Optimus Primal and Megatron. The BWII manga likewise had this be so as well. Even Hasbro at the time seemed to believe this as well (from what little they seemed to know about the two JBW series at all), as they put references to BWII and Neo in their toy bios of Transmetal 2 Cybershark and Dinobots Magmatron. But, the BWII cartoon itself, however, wouldn't give a placement to its future setting until all the way into its 36th episode, in which it established that Gaia's inhabitants left the planet tens of thousands of years before the timeperiod of BWII. The English-speaking fandom didn't know this at the time simply due to the BWII cartoon's lack of accessibility to the Western World for the longest time. That's why, when the big JG1 timeline placed BWII and Neo so far after BW and BM, the Western fandom thought it had been a retcon. The catalog story had been held as gospel and, having no access to the full cartoon, its validity was never questioned or doubted by the Western World.o.supreme wrote:Man we are getting off the path, but anyway, I just have to add my 2 cents. This is probably not right either, but I always thought that "Gaia" was earth in BWII & Neo, just in the future, specifically the "3 centuries after the great war" ended future of Beast Wars.
Cybertron/Galaxy Force was always supposed to be another sequel (it was, after all, Aaron Archer of Hasbro, rather than Takara, who first conceived the series). Either Takara or Gonzo either didn't get that memo or chose to ignore it and made Galaxy Force be another reboot. And yet, the original Galaxy Force version still somehow had all of the following things from Armada/Energon in it:o.supreme wrote:Also I don't see how/why in Japan it was decided that Galaxy Force be shoehorned in to the faux "Unicron Trilogy" ala Hasbro.
Galaxy Force didn't "omit" those. They were newly-created for Cybertron after the Galaxy Force version had already been completed.o.supreme wrote:There is really nothing that connects it to the previous two series. They even omitted the scenes of older versions of Rad, Alexis, Kicker (Energon Hotshot LOL) etc... that Hasbro used in the final episode as a lame attempt to tie them together.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Kurona wrote:The clue's in the name; drone. He wasn't sentient. Didn't have feelings. Even if Optimus left him behind he couldn't feel anything about it more than a ham sandwich.
That was indeed the most widespread fan theory of the time, what with the movie being released in Japan between their dubs of season 1 and season 2. As Japan would not yet get season 2 until after BWNeo, the movie was the very next time Japan saw Primal in anything after his demise at the end of season 1. I recall several (unofficial) websites back in the day even claiming that Primal's appearance in the movie being chronologically set between season 1-2 of BW as a truthful fact.o.supreme wrote:The theory I had for the longest time was that when Magnaboss called Oprimus Primal into the BWII appearance in that animated film, this is where he was in-between S1 & S2 of BW when his Stasis pod exploded.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
o.supreme wrote:But could your Roomba survive a cave-in and an exploding bomb.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
You can blame the Beast Wars Sourcebook's profile from Transmetal 2 Prowl for all that. At the time that profile was written, the Binaltech story wasn't done yet and the Sourcebook went and took inspiration from the then-incomplete Binaltech story, only for what the Sourcebook did to be undone by the Binaltech story when it resumed, thereby making what the Sourcebook wrote no longer make any sense.Coptur wrote:I also read up on the return of Prowl & Wheeljack and I have to say what a blooming mess that was to read Prowl II, Prowl 2, Bineltech Prowl (both Bineltech timelines).Talk about making a simple thing like bringing characters back to life overly complex.![]()
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
You can blame the Beast Wars Sourcebook's profile from Transmetal 2 Prowl for all that. At the time that profile was written, the Binaltech story wasn't done yet and the Sourcebook went and took inspiration from the then-incomplete Binaltech story, only for what the Sourcebook did to be undone by the Binaltech story when it resumed, thereby making what the Sourcebook wrote no longer make any sense.Sabrblade wrote:
This first part refers to the events of the manga story titled "Controverse", in which we see the Wheeljack and Prowl (not "Prowl II", just "Prowl") of the Binaltech timeline crossover to the main JG1 cartoon timeline to get some medical supplies, but then are unable to return to their own timeline due to something keeping them out from the Binaltech timeline (this "something" would be revealed in the Alternity fiction to be a quadrant lock placed upon the BT World by the Quintessons). Since the two couldn't get back to their own timeline, the two resorted to stay in the main timeline and switched out their Binaltech bodies for new bodies based on their pre-Binaltech bodies (their G1 cartoon Earth bodies).Coptur wrote:Dear Vector Prime
Q:Would you mind clarifying the enigma behind the identity of Prowl II from Beast Wars? And what about the Spy Changer Prowl 2 from Robots in Disguise?
A: Dear Prowl Parson,
Both can trace their origins to the Temporal Nexus that is the Binaltech Project. You have perhaps witnessed many of these events in the BT World timeline preserved through the actions of the Alternity. Following the death of Prowl in the OG World, Prowl and Wheeljack crossed back to their original timeline, before the Trial of Primacron.
By which they mean the blue, non-police car Binaltech Prowl toy body.Coptur wrote:Wheeljack, still wary after the death of their OG World doppelgängers, had brought Prowl's Beta BT unit with them.
Another reference to "Controverse".Coptur wrote:They eventually transferred their sparks to OG World bodies,
More new info.Coptur wrote:leaving their BT bodies in cold storage.
Referring to the normal Binaltech Prowl toy body, which was just mentioned as having been put into storage after Prowl and Wheeljack switched out of their BT bodies into G1 bodies.Coptur wrote:The Prowl II in many Primax-reality iterations of the Beast Wars was created from Prowl's Alpha BT unit.
A reference to the events of the Binaltech storyline in which Chip temporarily became Prowl whilst the real Prowl's spark was MIA. When Prowl's spark was found, Chip stepped down from being the replacement Prowl to let the real Prowl resume his own identity.Coptur wrote:Early in its history, it housed Chip Chase's life essence and Prowl's datatrax.
An origin story for the Beast Wars Transmetal 2 Prowl, dubbed "Prowl II" by the Beast Wars Sourcebook.Coptur wrote:Thus, when Professor Chase fell very ill, Wheeljack suggested another consciousness transfer. Very curious that our sparks and your... élan vital? Animus? ...are so compatible. It was an experimental procedure, and did not work perfectly. Some memories were lost, and consciousness could not be restored. The body was put into stasis, and eventually upgraded with Maximal technology in the hopes of saving the being--or is it beings?--within. It was a partial success. Prowl II was once again among the living.
Another origin story, this time for the Robots in Disguise 2001 Spychanger "Prowl 2", but set in a JG1-style Car Robots-based setting.Coptur wrote:Prowl 2, on the other hand, was created from the Beta BT unit, a striking electric blue body created as a BT backup for Prowl but never used. Like the primary unit, it was programmed with Prowl's memory engrams and personality. For hundreds of centuries it was locked away, forgotten. It was rediscovered when Fire Convoy was undertaking preparations to travel to the year 2000 in pursuit of the Destrongers, at the behest of the Convoy Council. The memories contained within the shell were invaluable, and so the body was rebuilt using Spychanger technology and infused with life by Vector Sigma. Prowl 2 taught the Dimensional Patrol much about life on late 20th century Earth, and volunteered to return with Fire Convoy's team... but Heinrad cautioned that the risk of a temporal paradox was too great. Thus was he fated to remain in the distant future, anxiously awaiting word from his new companions about the attempt to safeguard Earth's past.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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