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I am gonna see if my sister in law in japan cna get this for me.

I must say that I am quite proud of us Seibertronians. This thread is about 77 posts long and there has only been one questionable post in the sense of flaming. This has been an informative civil discussion which I think is very cool.

I own the Botcon set myself and am ok with Takara/Tomy doing their own exclusive release of TC. If it gives others the opportunity to own it that is fine by me. I still enjoy my Classics TC just as much today as I have this past year. Since I don't intend to sell my Botcon set or make any money off of it then dropping in value doesn't concern me the least bit. And since I'll probably never be able to afford to go to Botcon then any change in "exclusivity" (like with TC here) doesn't really affect my going or purchasing a future Botcon set.

I must agree with CP though. This Japanese exclusive release of TC will be very hard to get and will be rather expensive. You are going to be sorely disappointed if you expect to get him at any "reasonable" price as many have hopefully elluded to

Aw crap. You mean I have to buy these guys again? Crap I say. Oh and CP I hear ya on the markups. I've ordered exclusives online before through Fan2Fan. Prices get very ridiculous very quickly. It really is a shame I'm a sucker for the faction symbols and G1 inspired decos. Meh, who needs money anyway?

Thundercracker: Pass. I'll stick with my Botcon version (the blue on this one looks a bit too close to Dirge's colour for me) and let the rest of you squabble over the few that make it into the west.

Skywarp: Probable maybe. Hoping the mark up here won't be quite as bad as it's going to be on 'Cracker since there's already been a relatively wide release of Classics 'Warp. If I can get hold of him I'll switch out the chromed launchers for my existing ones and get off the fence about Henkai 'Screamer, which I should have bought by now, but always seems to get just asay passed over for something else.

Clear Convoy: Hell yeah! Bring on the preorder.

And for the record even as an owner of the GoD set (and a UKer as well, geography isn't an excuse when you can order a non attending set direct from FunPub) I've always been in support of a Japanese release of at the very least Thundercracker. My posts on this subject can be found in most places where the subject of the Botcon Seekers has reared it's ugly head up until about six months ago when I finally got sick of discussing them all together. Even so, Counterpunch and others here are right. These are limited even on the Japanese market. Not a lot of them are going to find their way out of Japan and those that do are going to be pricey. I'd have rather seen them in the main Henkai line, even if just on the grounds that it might finally have killed all of the continuing bad blood going on here and elsewhere about the Botcon versions. That hasn't happened, so at the very least please accept a heart felt "good luck" to anyone who's going to try to grab this version of 'Cracker. It won't be easy or cheap, but at least you've got another crack of the whip on the character.

On the topic of figures/sets that are potentially devalued - what about the 2005 set's Ironhide figure. We're getting a brand new, and in some ways superior IH this fall for $10. Anyone think that the demand for the botcon version will plummet b/c of this? I know that I wanted that figure until I saw the Universe version. Now, I've got no use for that set.

Wow, just wow.


While it will be next to impossible to get a hold of these, this is still crazy news. The cost of these will be ridiculous.


I wonder how many "seeker completionists" will actually go for this when it hits the market at 100 bucks or so.

YESSS!!! FINALLY!!!

I'm going to get these two UBER HOT Seekers NO MATTER THE COST!!!

First Gen wrote:Wow, just wow.


While it will be next to impossible to get a hold of these, this is still crazy news. The cost of these will be ridiculous.


I wonder how many "seeker completionists" will actually go for this when it hits the market at 100 bucks or so.

::Sheepishly raises hand like the idiot he is::

wildscorpio67 wrote:On the topic of figures/sets that are potentially devalued - what about the 2005 set's Ironhide figure. We're getting a brand new, and in some ways superior IH this fall for $10. Anyone think that the demand for the botcon version will plummet b/c of this?

Yep

No one cared about Ironhide or Ratchet until Classics came around.

Ironhide will fall well below $100 and I expect Ratchet to slip to around $200-250.

wildscorpio67 wrote:On the topic of figures/sets that are potentially devalued - what about the 2005 set's Ironhide figure. We're getting a brand new, and in some ways superior IH this fall for $10. Anyone think that the demand for the botcon version will plummet b/c of this? I know that I wanted that figure until I saw the Universe version. Now, I've got no use for that set.

Well that isnt really the same situation at all. The Universe Ironhide isnt the same mold or line.

The Botcon Ironhide mold would only be devalued if Hasbro or Takara repainted the mold and released it at retail.

You example is like me saying that my Armada Prime is devalued due to the release of Cybertron Prime.

On topic, the difficulty and expense of aquiring these new molds somewhat satisfies my irratation that they are being rereleased.
I guess in the end, trying to keep SW and TC as exclusives is playing with fire. These characters are simply to popular.

I think Botcon exclusives are better when they lean to the obscure, HasTak will never release the prebeast mode BW botcon set at mass retail, but I love that set to death.

I always thought of botcon sets as servicing the hardcore fans, producing repaints that appeal to a niche audience, not to the casual fan.

BOTS and CONS wrote:YESSS!!! FINALLY!!!

I'm going to get these two UBER HOT Seekers NO MATTER THE COST!!!

Not to dis what you're saying BnC, but if that were true, you'd have got the 2007 set off eBay already.

And thats about the price you're gonna have to pay when these bad boys hit.

Anybody care to venture a guess at the cost of that Clear Convoy?

BOTS and CONS wrote:YESSS!!! FINALLY!!!

I'm going to get these two UBER HOT Seekers NO MATTER THE COST!!!

Good for you man. I hope yoy manage to get them at a reasonable price.

Counterpunch wrote:

wildscorpio67 wrote:On the topic of figures/sets that are potentially devalued - what about the 2005 set's Ironhide figure. We're getting a brand new, and in some ways superior IH this fall for $10. Anyone think that the demand for the botcon version will plummet b/c of this?

Yep

No one cared about Ironhide or Ratchet until Classics came around.

Ironhide will fall well below $100 and I expect Ratchet to slip to around $200-250.

CP makes an interesting point about noone wanting Botcon Ironhide until they realized he could be a stand in for a true Classics Ironhide.

That point could be debated though. I seem to remember Botcon Ratchet demanding high ebay bids before Classics was on the map.

What would be funny...Classics Ratchet (repaint of Classics Ironhide) being part of the 2009 botcon set.

And since I'm not entirely sold on the Universe Ironhide mould (but will probably pick up both versions anyway, doh!) there may well be a Botcon Ironhide and Ratchet in my future.

Skywarp and Thundercracker don't really interest me. However I really want to get more information on the Clear Convoy.

I'm glad that everyone will have a chance to get Thundercracker though, But I agree with Counterpunch about how the store exclusive might be harder to get than the Botcon version.

Firebird wrote:Skywarp and Thundercracker don't really interest me. However I really want to get more information on the Clear Convoy.

That clear Convoy is more and more impressive...

Geekee1 wrote:If the preorder for this does not sell out within a day I will be VERY disappointed in all of you.

Everybody screamed and yelled for this and you're now given the opportunity. I want those without Botcon Thundercracker to not even give me a chance to order one.

Everybody was positive that he would sell as a mass release, so he better be impossible to find for the next 10 years.

Make me proud boys.

Yeah it's another opportunity...
But we haven't seen any prices yet.
People who haven't been willing to dish the money for this fig. on ebay, may still not be interested once the price tag is known.

It's always interesting for me to hear the "People who passed on the BC set.........." perspective,
because I wasn't even collecting then!!
(I honestly think I may be the only one on the forums in this boat)

And I guess I missed that thread where everyone thought TC would be a mass release...

But maybe this mayhem will influence Henkei to step up.

I'd get clear convoy if

a) I had the money (damn UM armour )
b) I didn't already own 4 versions of that mould.


Does look very awesome though. Very awesome indeed.



Weren't we told that classics Ratchet was planned somewhere down the line? After animated?


*Realises he's been mispelling Henkei*

Dealer wrote:
Weren't we told that classics Ratchet was planned somewhere down the line? After animated?


*Realises he's been mispelling Henkei*

Ratchet will happen, but it's going to be a while, late 09' if I heard correctly.

(and just spell it 'Hentai', we'll get SO many more page hits like that. )

You have no idea how many times I've accidentally typed hentai rather than henkei


I can wait for Ratchet. Knowing he's coming is enough.


HENTAI.

That's right, hentai
Lap it up you weirdos

Dealer wrote:HENTAI.

That's right, hentai
Lap it up you weirdos

You...don't have any idea how funny (and appropriate) that was do you?

Counterpunch wrote:

Dealer wrote:HENTAI.

That's right, hentai
Lap it up you weirdos

You...don't have any idea how funny (and appropriate) that was do you?

I don't, no

Clear Convoy!? The nerve of them!

What is this, the sixth Classics Prime!? Outrageous! Inconceivable!

I'll pre-order a dozen!

Counterpunch wrote:
This thing is going to be harder to get than BotCon Thundercracker...

Maybe so but it proves one thing.Bot-con rules do not apply to Takara.

And thats something I've been suggesting since Takara first announce that they were doing their own classic line.

And at the very least this opens the doors for Takara to make any Bot-con figure it wants to.

Not that there's many that I want but who knows what the future may bring.