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I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL PEOPLE ARE WHINING ABOUT????

They DID base the movie "mostly" on G1 and G1 concepts... they've said that over and over... so get over it people.

If you're expecting a bunch of stuff that's not G1 based in the upcoming two films... then you will be disappointed.

They've talked about it a ton of times. They referenced G1 all the way, of course with new ideas and concepts. The characters they new they needed to have were Ironhide, Jazz, Bumblebee, Jazz, Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave. Uh... all G1 characters before they were anything else thank you very much. Sure they couldn't find a way to introduce Soundwave yet but they will.

So yes... i get it that it is a NEW MYTHOLOGY....AWESOME! It should be!!! Still the concepts, ideas, stories, and relationships are "Mostly" ("not all") centered around concepts from G1. AS IT SHOULD BE!!! AT LEAST IT SHOULD BE TO MAKE IT GOOD AND MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO ACTUALLY SEE IT.

That's the way I look at it. I mean if they based this movie off of Beast Wars I would have never even seen it. I would have thrown my old toys in the garbage in fact!

As far as I'm concerned... there was season 1 through 4 and the animated movie. All the rest were bull **** spin offs compared to the G1 cartoon. Beast Wars and all to follow were not nearly as good as the G1 cartoon (in my opinion). It was the first to start everything in the U.S. up to this point. There are TONS of great concepts in G2, G3, and so on, but the HEART... is with G1 baby!



The movie should be "G1 based" all the way!!! It "is" mostly G1 based. I'm glad it is. For those of you in denial about that... sorry... get over it.

ho hum ....

Let's see, character wise there's been an Optimus Prime and Megatron in every non-beast show since G1.

So that rules them out.

Same goes for Starscream and Ironhide too.

So that leaves who? Jazz and Bumblebee as the only two original G1 characters. Well three if you count Brawl/Devestator.

Barricade and Blackout aren't based on G1 characters now are they?

Oh and then there's transforming vehicles? Yeah ... that's not exclusive to G1 either.

The AllSpark was referrenced more in BW/BM than G1.

I did have to chuckle at this though.

So yes... i get it that it is a NEW MYTHOLOGY....AWESOME! It should be!!! Still the concepts, ideas, stories, and relationships are "Mostly" ("not all") centered around concepts from G1. AS IT SHOULD BE!!! AT LEAST IT SHOULD BE TO MAKE IT GOOD AND MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO ACTUALLY SEE IT.

So what you're saying is that the movie makers should ignore the kids/teenagers/early 20's folk who grew up with Beast Wars/Beast Machines/Robots in Disguise/Armada/Energon and Cybertron and make the movie for those who grew up with the original G1?

What's wrong with borrowing elements from all the lines (as they've done) and make a movie that appeals across the ages instead of targetting a select group of people, some of which are obviously too close minded to accept change.

The people who grew up with G2 and beyond should try to recognize that in order to make this movie series a good one... they would do the smart thing and not **** it up by using a whole lot of concepts beyond the G1 series... or even the animated Movie as far as I am concerned. It would be a disservice to the lore to loosely base these movies on concepts from all the Transformers. It all came from G1!

What am I even ranting about (oh it's becasue some people don't like G1)... it's not like I have to prove this. the Writers, Directors, Producers, and everybody helping them said most the concepts for this movie were based solely on the G1 cartoon and feedback from other nerds (like me), Hasbro, etc.

I mean come on people... you have to base these characters on the hear and now. You can't make it too crazy becasue it has to take place in the modern age.

Sorry... this movie is mostly G1 based... as it should be... PERIOD!!! Kudos to the writers, directors, and producers for bouncing off the feedback off people who actually do know the transformers lore backwards and forwards and still decided to go with the G1 ideas.

Peace!

/retard mode

duh ... if this is based on G1 why wasn't Megatron a gun?
Why is Bumblebee not a VW?
Why did Prime have flames on him?
Why did Starscream have the face of an insect?
Why is Ironhide a black pick up and not a red van?
Why was Sam Sam and not Spike?
Why was Mikaela Mikaela and not Carly?
Why was Sam's dad not a mechanic?
Why did the AllSpark give the TF's life and not Primus or the Matrix?

/end retard mode

Care for me to go on?

First of all, stop spamming the forums with the same posts - you just copy/pasted your post from the other thread.

Second of all, this movie isn't based on G1. I've been working the news crew for awhile now, and have kept track of everything leading up to the movie's release.

Bay, Murphy and Hasbro have OFFICIALLY STATED that this is a new continuity, a new universe and is NOT based on G1. I'm working on finding the exact quotes and sources now.

There are in-jokes and references to G1, but it stops there. The concepts and ideas that the movie shares with G1 it also shares with just about every other TF series of the last twenty years.

G1 needs to stop being the precedence and crutch of the franchise.

That's a very shallow way of thinking. If they had wanted to base the movie solely off G1, we would've gotten the Animated Movie in live action. There's no question that G1 provided a good foundation for the writers to build on, but to say that the movie should all be based on G1 is setting them up for a fall. You limit yourself to one mode of thinking like that, you lose a good part of the fan base that didn't grow up with G1, which you seem to forget that those people exist, like me. Barricade and Blackout certainly are not G1 characters; their names first appeared in the Energon series. Scorponok was from G1, yes, but he was made popular by Beast Wars. Scorponok was only in the lst 3 episodes of G1. BW Scorpy made it all the way through Season 1. Ironhide was also around during Energon (though that version was annoying as slag). This argument over "The movie should be G1 only" is getting old and you are having a hard time defending your claims. You can't win, if you would just admit that things would go a lot smoother.

I'm not saying to write off the ideas in G2 and beyond... They should try to satisfy all the fans. Although I'd be shocked if people who liked transformers didn't appreciate the G1 cartoon and animated movie.... that would just be **** up right there. I'm saying if it's not believable don't put it in the frickin movie. Most of the G1 cartoon concepts are good ideas for a movie set at this point in time.

Prime - G1
Megatron - G1
Brawl - Part of Bruticus and the Stunticons
Blackout - Also Part of Bruticus and known and Vortex
Bonecrusher - "Closest relative to a "Constructicon" acording to the writers
Barricade - "was an autobot in the G1 cartoon, but to go with the them of all bad guys as authoritarian type vechicle we made him a bad guy." - Writers of the movie
Rachet - Duh! Ambulance just like G1 all the way
Bumblebee and Jazz - Both G1 origionals as well
Frenzy - "Close relative to the G1 Soundwave." - Writers of the movie.
Ironhide - 1st episode as well
Starscream - Duh!
and so on... i think you get it!?

ALL THE CHARACTERS WERE BASED ON THE G1 CARTOON MOSTLY... IT JUST WAS. WATCH THE SPECIAL FEATURES PEOPLE!

Mattamus Prime wrote:Although I'd be shocked if people who liked transformers didn't appreciate the G1 cartoon and animated movie.... that would just be **** up right there.

Then be shocked.

I grew up with G1. I was there when it first aired and I collected the toys when they first came out.

And you know what? I love the toys, but goddamn did the cartoon suck. It sucked big time. Especially when i've been watching Beast Wars and Beast Machines. Both series had better storylines and were better written. And the characters were just as memorable as G1 characters. (Though let's be serious, some G1 characters are best forgotten)

Blackout - Also Part of Bruticus and known and Vortex

How do you reason that? Blackout is a blue-ish helicopter. He could also be Whirl.

I know there has been a lot taken from all areas of transformers. Of COURSE it's not SOLEY based on G1... it MOSTLY is. Why can't people just admit that? It just is... they said it a million times on the special features and interviews.

I agree.... take concepts from all lores of transformers. But to make the movie a good one, it NEEDS to be based on G1 mostly. It's 2007... base the movie on 2007 ideas that actually work and stop trying to think that some of these later concepts would actually be good for this movie. Some people just have no concept of what would tank this movie.

Courtesy of David Cian, author of the Transformers Movie 2007 prequel:

David Cian wrote:it's a good story and there's a lot there that will appeal to the core fan base. I also think fans need to remember that this is a movie, a major motion picture, establishing a new continuity all on its own, and some things have to change for the franchise to move in this direction.

source

Transformers Movie 2007 producer Tom DeSanto:

Tom DeSanto wrote:The continuity in the comic is different than the continuity in the cartoon which is different than the continuity in the movie. It's the same thing here, but we're going to stay true to the heart and soul.

source

Mattamus Prime wrote:I agree.... take concepts from all lores of transformers. But to make the movie a good one, it NEEDS to be based on G1 mostly. It's 2007... base the movie on 2007 ideas that actually work and stop trying to think that some of these later concepts would actually be good for this movie. Some people just have no concept of what would tank this movie.

This one paragraph is a complete contrdiction.

"it needs to be based on G1 mostly"
"base the movie on 2007 ideas that actually work"

How can you take stuff from 1984 and make it work in 2007?

Even "mostly" you can't say it's based on G1 because you could say the same about Armada/Energon/Cybertron and even BW/BM. They BORROWOED ELEMENTS from G1 just as this movie did.

But they are NOT based on G1, they BORROWOED ELEMENTS.

If you were capable of dislodging your head from 1984 and looking at the subsequent 20+ years of TF mythology you'd realise that the 2007 movie borrowed elements from other eras as well and that it's an amalgam of 20+ years of TF mythology and not just "mostly based on G1".

Wheres that damn dead horse gif because I swear this exact same conversation has been had 50 times over by others tht do more to substaniate their arguments and aren't completely ignorant of anything that came after 84.

Oh I agree... the cartoon did suck... but it was awesome too!!!

Agreed the newer transformers cartoons, etc. of course have better story lines, and everything. Cartoons in general... have come a long way... still G1 paved the way... even if the cartoon was really bad. We loved it, you loved it... hell everybody loved it.

Yes I now its 2007 and back in 1984 a lot was different. But you have to make the movie believable for this day in age. Most of the other concepts are too far fetched as transformers evolved. So much so that you couldn't make a beleivable modern movie about it, set in this day in age, without **** it up.

It's all about robots turning into cars, trucks, military vehicles, etc. (G1) .... not a T-Rex or a big gorilla!!!

Mattamus Prime wrote:Oh I agree... the cartoon did suck... but it was awesome too!!!

Agreed the newer transformers cartoons, etc. of course have better story lines, and everything. Cartoons in general... have come a long way... still G1 paved the way... even if the cartoon was really bad. We loved it, you loved it... hell everybody loved it.

Yes I now its 2007 and back in 1984 a lot was different. But you have to make the movie believable for this day in age. Most of the other concepts are too far fetched as transformers evolved. So much so that you couldn't make a beleivable modern movie about it, set in this day in age, without **** it up.

It's all about robots turning into cars, trucks, military vehicles, etc. (G1) .... not a T-Rex or a big gorilla!!!

What about Grimlock, or the dinobots in general? Or Soundwaves tapes that turned into animals?

there are some things about the movie that are G1-related

leaking lubicients
Jazz's personality is somewhat similar to G1
One shall stand, one shall fall
the last name of Witwicky--Marvel comics

i thought the movie was very LOOSLY based on g1, i could be wrong through.

In the DVD extras they mention that the movie is INSPIRED by the G1 cartoon...It doesn't mean that it was based on it...They took most of the concepts from G1 and updated them to 2007...They said that G1 is the continuity that people are more familiar with...I think they could add some elements of Armada or Energon but they need to stay away from BW.

Mattamus Prime wrote:Oh I agree... the cartoon did suck... but it was awesome too!!!

Agreed the newer transformers cartoons, etc. of course have better story lines, and everything. Cartoons in general... have come a long way... still G1 paved the way... even if the cartoon was really bad. We loved it, you loved it... hell everybody loved it.

Yes I now its 2007 and back in 1984 a lot was different. But you have to make the movie believable for this day in age. Most of the other concepts are too far fetched as transformers evolved. So much so that you couldn't make a beleivable modern movie about it, set in this day in age, without **** it up.

It's all about robots turning into cars, trucks, military vehicles, etc. (G1) .... not a T-Rex or a big gorilla!!!

Uhhh you seem to be forgetting that Grimlock is a T-rex and Apeface is a gorilla

If your going to preach about the awesomeness of G1, don't contradict yourself there buddy

This forum needs a "Rants" section.

Original Sin wrote:

Mattamus Prime wrote:Oh I agree... the cartoon did suck... but it was awesome too!!!

Agreed the newer transformers cartoons, etc. of course have better story lines, and everything. Cartoons in general... have come a long way... still G1 paved the way... even if the cartoon was really bad. We loved it, you loved it... hell everybody loved it.

Yes I now its 2007 and back in 1984 a lot was different. But you have to make the movie believable for this day in age. Most of the other concepts are too far fetched as transformers evolved. So much so that you couldn't make a beleivable modern movie about it, set in this day in age, without **** it up.

It's all about robots turning into cars, trucks, military vehicles, etc. (G1) .... not a T-Rex or a big gorilla!!!

Uhhh you seem to be forgetting that Grimlock is a T-rex and Apeface is a gorilla

If your going to preach about the awesomeness of G1, don't contradict yourself there buddy

Shhhhhhhh...V.P. don't tell him he's wrong on something, you may never hear the end of it and he will say that you started a "cyberfight" with him......Must let him believe that everyone is out to get him.

Original Sin wrote:Uhhh you seem to be forgetting that Grimlock is a T-rex and Apeface is a gorilla

If your going to preach about the awesomeness of G1, don't contradict yourself there buddy

I'll tell you the difference for me.

Grimlock transformed into a robot dinosaur.

Megatron transformed into a real dinosaur.

They all (Beast Wars TFers) seemed like metal robots with real fur and fangs sticking out. It was a wierd dissociation that kept me from enjoying Beast Wars as much as G1.

YM probably does V.

Burn wrote:ho hum ....

Let's see, character wise there's been an Optimus Prime and Megatron in every non-beast show since G1.

So that rules them out.

Same goes for Starscream and Ironhide too.

Unless your counting the Japanese showes....No Prime,Megatron,Ironhide or Starscream in 3 of those.And if your not counting the Japanese showes....there was no Starscream in RID.

Burn wrote:
So that leaves who? Jazz and Bumblebee as the only two original G1 characters. Well three if you count Brawl/Devestator.

Barricade and Blackout aren't based on G1 characters now are they?

Sorry to bust your bubble but all the names used in the Bay movie were characters in the G1 toy line even Barricade and Blackout....they were micromasters.


http://www.tfu.info/1990/Decepticon/Bar ... ricade.htm
http://www.tfu.info/1990/Decepticon/Bla ... ackout.htm

Sorry Mattamus Prime but you got a few things wrong......

Mattamus Prime wrote:Brawl - Part of Bruticus and the Stunticons

Brawl was a part of Bruticus and a member of the Combaticons not the Stunticons.And besides they didnt name him Brawl in the movie...they named him Deverstator.

Mattamus Prime wrote:Barricade - "was an autobot in the G1 cartoon,

Barricade was not a Autobot in the G1 cartoon.....he was a Decepticon Micromaster and the Micromasters never made it to the cartoon before it got canceled.
http://www.tfu.info/1990/Decepticon/Bar ... ricade.htm

I actually found the movie to be very reminescent of Beast Machines. A small group of good guys, led by a battly-weary commander with the loss of Cybertron laying on his soul. One Villian, with a hate of all things fleshy and a need for another metal planet, leading an army of drones... (I'm sorry, but that's all the Decepticons were in the movie. The only one with even a hint of personality was Frenvy, and he was like Jar-Jar on crack or something...) Of course, the movie had better CGI, and the soundtrack wasn't nearly as repetitive...

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sorry to bust your bubble but all the names used in the Bay movie were characters in the G1 toy line even Barricade and Blackout....they were micromasters.


http://www.tfu.info/1990/Decepticon/Bar ... ricade.htm
http://www.tfu.info/1990/Decepticon/Bla ... ackout.htm

You have to look at what's more likely, given the intent of those involved in the film. Did they actually base Blackout and Barricade of micromasters of all things? Or is it just more logical that they are new characters who used those names because "Blackout" and "Barricade" were recently trademarked by Hasbro during the Energon line, which means those names were available.

The share the NAMES, that's it. There are not the same CHARACTERS.