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Greyryder wrote:I liked the old head better. What's everybody's fasination with Liefeld heads?

The new head looks much better. The smaller head gives more apparent mass to the figure, and makes him look larger than life. The larger the head in proportion to the body, the smaller the character appears to be. Conversly, the smaller the head in relation to the body, the larger, more massive he appears.

It looks good for be a Fan-Made toy

If it were the very first time I was seeing the design, I'd like the first head better, but knowing Don's artwork, the second one looks more like the size he would draw, and more accurate is better, so I vote for the second one (even though I like the look of the first one more).

Tramp wrote:

Greyryder wrote:I liked the old head better. What's everybody's fasination with Liefeld heads?

The new head looks much better. The smaller head gives more apparent mass to the figure, and makes him look larger than life. The larger the head in proportion to the body, the smaller the character appears to be. Conversly, the smaller the head in relation to the body, the larger, more massive he appears.

Just looks pinheaded, to me.

The second head looks better, IMHO

Asphalt wrote:

Greyryder wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Greyryder wrote:I liked the old head better. What's everybody's fasination with Liefeld heads?

The new head looks much better. The smaller head gives more apparent mass to the figure, and makes him look larger than life. The larger the head in proportion to the body, the smaller the character appears to be. Conversly, the smaller the head in relation to the body, the larger, more massive he appears.

Just looks pinheaded, to me.

agreed, a major bo problem since the beginning of time. or at least since 1985

Then you wouldn?t like Michaelangelo?s work either. When he did the Cistine Chapel, he did all the figures at 12 heads high. The statue of David, is also about 12 heads high, if I recall correctly. Yes, it is possible to make the head too small, but this isn?t the case here.

Asphalt wrote:no I am an art teacher, those were altered due to their scale and angle of view compared to that of the viewer. a toy that sits at eye level or in your hand has none of the design problems evident in those works to overcome. Mike's head is gigantic because he is meant to be viewed from his feet and things appear to become smaller as they go away from you. The same with the parthenon in greece, the pillars are actually bent off true in order to appear perfectly straight. Its called forced perspective. Not something that at all effect the viewing of a toy.

Asphalt, you mised what I said entirely. Michaelangelo dodn?t make his heads bigger, in relation to the bodies. He made them smaller. Twelve heads high, as you should know means that the body measures the height if twelve heads one on top of another chin to crown. a twelve head figure is proportionately much taller than a seven and a half head high person, who is proportionaltely taller than a four head high person. Michaelangelo used twelve heads high as the proportion for his figures to give them that ?larger than life? quality. That is the same reason why Super heroes tend to stand at nine-twelve heads tall as well. It makes them appear larger than life.

How he painted the Sistine Chapel I don't know, but David's head is actually bigger in relation to his body then it should be. If you look at pictures of it where the camera was eye level you can see that the head is a little large, but if you actually see the statue in real life and look up at it then it seems to be perfect proportions.

He's about six and a half to seven heads high if you judge by photos.

Asphalt wrote:

tentagil wrote:How he painted the Sistine Chapel I don't know, but David's head is actually bigger in relation to his body then it should be. If you look at pictures of it where the camera was eye level you can see that the head is a little large, but if you actually see the statue in real life and look up at it then it seems to be perfect proportions.

He's about six and a half to seven heads high if you judge by photos.

exactly, david has an enormous head. forced perspective. I do not argue that mike exagerated his proportion, but in teh chappel seen on a curved surface from many feet below, and david also viewed from below the heads are exageratedly large because of the point of view. while all his religious works are intended to apear larger than life the heads were made larger to keep them from begoming pinheads when viewed by his audience.

Asphalt, Michaelangelo didn?t make the heasds larger on the Cistine Chapel. he made them smaller. As I said, he used a twelve head hight proportion; particularly on the images of God and Adam.

Man! You guys know how to derail a thread!

Viagra-Prime wrote:

TM2 Dinobot wrote:You do know that Shockwave was his regular mold in TWW, right? :p

Other then that... Looks amazing!

Yes, I know, which is why I put "concept art style" on the thread title to differentiate it from the style they used in the comics (which is the space gun). I like this design alot though so chose to scratchbuild it.

Also VP, Shockwave is supposed to be PURPLE. Even though the concept drawing shows him as WHITE, he's PURPLE! Just thought I'd clarify that for you!












j/k Sorry, I couldn't resist!

Lobo wrote:Also VP, Shockwave is supposed to be PURPLE. Even though the concept drawing shows him as WHITE, he's PURPLE! Just thought I'd clarify that for you!

What? You lie!! Damn, I was hoping I didn't have to paint the white styrene. I'm going to have to verify that with Don.

Looks very sweet VP. Someday I'll have to actually try scratch building something. For now Styrene is a very small part of my stuff since I'm jsut not very good with it.

truly awesome

I want one of these babies

Asphalt wrote:

Lobo wrote:Man! You guys know how to derail a thread!

yeah you would think Shade was in here or something. choo choo back on track. Regardless of the head, he i still an amazing job. Too bad he has to be purple.

would defeat the whole point of the character if he wasn't purple.

Make his bother sixshot, oh wait, wrong series:)

just curious,is the whole thing made of styrene?i have been trying to figure out what some of these scratch built figures were made of.

If you dont want to paint him all purple then there's a generic shockwave seen in the background during one of the 'five faces of darkness' G1 episodes. He's got the standard purple body but with blackgrey legs and 'constructicon green' arms.

I in no way expect you to use this colour scheme, but I just thought i'd mention it as an (un??)interesting sidenote.

grimlockprime108 wrote:just curious,is the whole thing made of styrene?i have been trying to figure out what some of these scratch built figures were made of.

It's made mainly of styrene (sheets and rods) with some wood thrown in there too mainly because of couldn't find styrene rods big enough. Also, some of the joints are from lego knights and of course the hand and gun is from an Alt Shockblast.

Roadblaster, Lobo and I were kidding about the color scheme for Shockwave. I will paint him G1 colors.

Amazing. Can't wait to see this one painted.

Wow... it's all i can say...

One thing though, I think if you put a cut piece of clear frosted plastic (resessed back from the front of the barrel) it will hide the hand and cannon and the barrel will have a cool light up feature as well.

Ya got an idea of when we will see the final product