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by **dinogeist** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:38 am

Autobot032 wrote:
RhA wrote:
deathy wrote:
JetOptimus23 wrote:
Lastjustice wrote:
5150 Cruiser wrote:
Scatterlung wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:Honest question: What's the worst that could happen if a kid sees someone die in a movie?

They start to believe that its okay.

.

And this is were the parents need to step in and teach the kid thats its not okay. Thats its a movie. Just because they saw it happen on screen, or TV, doesn't make it ok. I've said it before, and i'll say it again...
The day i let a TV character raise my child, is the day i have failed as a partent.

No, we need be like Decepticons and decide for the people what's ok. It's what Megatron would want, relieve you of the burden of freewill heh. j/k

Anyone who thinks seeign violence or messages make people turn out a certain way damages them or turns them into murderers is flat out wrong. I mean during the 60s there wa snothing but songs about peace and love, and world peace didn't happen. The bad enws is happy messages won't get us world peace, but violent games and movies won't turn kids into monsters either.

I watched movies like Predator, Terminator, and aliens as a kid. Granted was usually the TV edits of the films, but my father believed I was mature enough to see it. He'd explain things to me all the time.

He taught me there was consequences to violence, as I feel thats one thing comics,and alot of kid focused entertain fails to convey. We can have fantastic battles, and long as it's a blunt object you strike your foe with you will never kill them. People can be knocked down or out without any serious ill effects. Everyone rides off to the sunset. (which is one of the reasons Alan Moore made the watchemen.) That's usually when kids hurt each other emulating something they see, and they don't realize how badly it can hurt someone. (like some kids rock bottomed his lil sister thru the front room coffee table and killed her.) Understanding violence is a valueable lesson, as you understand why not to use excessive force on others.

The things other kids did to me growing up goofed me up a heck of alot more than anything I ever saw on TV or in video games ever did. Ultimately humans are far less violent than we ever were for most part. You think kids see bad things now...people used watch gladitorial battles where people fought to the death for sport. We have people fight it out now days, but it's usually with rules in an attempt to not kill the fighters involved. We've come a long way all in all. Life and death isn't as much of a day to day thing as it was hundreds of years ago in majority of the USA. It's not like the old west where the fastest gun ruled.

I ultimately think the bay films are meant get the widest audience possible. While kids will likely watch them, (I took my sisters kids with me.We always talk about the films and what lessons to take from them. My nephew had a discussion of why the autobots just don't give up to the decepticons so they don't get killed.) I never saw anything that terrible in them that made me think oh they can't see this. Granted some of the things that happen are brutal as robots lose limbs, but it conveys that war is hell without using people. ( imagine how graphical what they do to each other would be if they did have people instead.) I think there's a lesson to be had without sugar coating things entirely.(as my father said you want it sugar coated...talk to your mother haha.)

This. The responsibility of not only making sure what they see is alright for them, but also explaining the line between fantasy & reality. Or else they'll all try to emulate Superman and...well. So please explain to your kids why Que's spark don't shine anymore.

man was that a bad joke.

It's the parents responsibilty to pre-screen & test everything out before they let their kids see/play with it.

Everything? That's a lot of work. Kids tend to be all over the place.

It doesn't have to be.

They want a game? Rent it first, play it.
They want a movie? Rent it/go see it first.

If you can't spend 1-3 hours once every two years (for the movies) to help your kids stay safe, then what else are you doing with your time? Neglectful parents can be as much of a problem as "The Man".

Always find time for your kids, even if that means doing a safety check once in a blue.

And ask around to the parents on here, they'll said they've done it.

exactly THIS times one billion to the tenth power.

News Credits: 1 · by **Starscream GaGa** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:52 am

Saying what people watch doesn't effect what person they become is utter BS. I'm sorry, but it is.

Yes, Transformers is rated M, suggesting it shouldn't be seen by kids, but the fact is Transformers IS a children's franchise and kids will be seeing it.

News Credits: 1 · by **RhA** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:53 am

deathy wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:
RhA wrote:
deathy wrote:
JetOptimus23 wrote:
Lastjustice wrote:
5150 Cruiser wrote:
Scatterlung wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:Honest question: What's the worst that could happen if a kid sees someone die in a movie?

They start to believe that its okay.

.

And this is were the parents need to step in and teach the kid thats its not okay. Thats its a movie. Just because they saw it happen on screen, or TV, doesn't make it ok. I've said it before, and i'll say it again...
The day i let a TV character raise my child, is the day i have failed as a partent.

No, we need be like Decepticons and decide for the people what's ok. It's what Megatron would want, relieve you of the burden of freewill heh. j/k

Anyone who thinks seeign violence or messages make people turn out a certain way damages them or turns them into murderers is flat out wrong. I mean during the 60s there wa snothing but songs about peace and love, and world peace didn't happen. The bad enws is happy messages won't get us world peace, but violent games and movies won't turn kids into monsters either.

I watched movies like Predator, Terminator, and aliens as a kid. Granted was usually the TV edits of the films, but my father believed I was mature enough to see it. He'd explain things to me all the time.

He taught me there was consequences to violence, as I feel thats one thing comics,and alot of kid focused entertain fails to convey. We can have fantastic battles, and long as it's a blunt object you strike your foe with you will never kill them. People can be knocked down or out without any serious ill effects. Everyone rides off to the sunset. (which is one of the reasons Alan Moore made the watchemen.) That's usually when kids hurt each other emulating something they see, and they don't realize how badly it can hurt someone. (like some kids rock bottomed his lil sister thru the front room coffee table and killed her.) Understanding violence is a valueable lesson, as you understand why not to use excessive force on others.

The things other kids did to me growing up goofed me up a heck of alot more than anything I ever saw on TV or in video games ever did. Ultimately humans are far less violent than we ever were for most part. You think kids see bad things now...people used watch gladitorial battles where people fought to the death for sport. We have people fight it out now days, but it's usually with rules in an attempt to not kill the fighters involved. We've come a long way all in all. Life and death isn't as much of a day to day thing as it was hundreds of years ago in majority of the USA. It's not like the old west where the fastest gun ruled.

I ultimately think the bay films are meant get the widest audience possible. While kids will likely watch them, (I took my sisters kids with me.We always talk about the films and what lessons to take from them. My nephew had a discussion of why the autobots just don't give up to the decepticons so they don't get killed.) I never saw anything that terrible in them that made me think oh they can't see this. Granted some of the things that happen are brutal as robots lose limbs, but it conveys that war is hell without using people. ( imagine how graphical what they do to each other would be if they did have people instead.) I think there's a lesson to be had without sugar coating things entirely.(as my father said you want it sugar coated...talk to your mother haha.)

This. The responsibility of not only making sure what they see is alright for them, but also explaining the line between fantasy & reality. Or else they'll all try to emulate Superman and...well. So please explain to your kids why Que's spark don't shine anymore.

man was that a bad joke.

It's the parents responsibilty to pre-screen & test everything out before they let their kids see/play with it.

Everything? That's a lot of work. Kids tend to be all over the place.

It doesn't have to be.

They want a game? Rent it first, play it.
They want a movie? Rent it/go see it first.

If you can't spend 1-3 hours once every two years (for the movies) to help your kids stay safe, then what else are you doing with your time? Neglectful parents can be as much of a problem as "The Man".

Always find time for your kids, even if that means doing a safety check once in a blue.

And ask around to the parents on here, they'll said they've done it.

exactly THIS times one billion to the tenth power.

I never said I was not going to find time for my children. I just said that I cannot control everything my children are exposed to and sure am not going to pre-screen everything they see on tv. It's a lot of work that just seems a waste of time to me, it's very impractical to pre-live my kids life just to see if something is or is not damaging. Consider how much time children spend away from their parent at school, friends, family. Consider what they could see or do there.

My point is that you're fighting symptoms and are not offering a sturdy base, IMO. I talk with my oldest child about what I think is right or wrong depending on the situation, I try to help her to decide for herself and try to stay away from forming her opinion directly. It helps to be aware of the possibilities and limitations of the age my child is at, morality and ethics are bound by age.

Plus, never forget, that if you are pointing out what's wrong and what's right to others, be VERY aware of why you believe what you believe.

by **Lastjustice** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:37 am

Starscream GaGa wrote:Saying what people watch doesn't effect what person they become is utter BS. I'm sorry, but it is.

Yes, Transformers is rated M, suggesting it shouldn't be seen by kids, but the fact is Transformers IS a children's franchise and kids will be seeing it.

Your environment makes you who you are, but you can be exposed to all kinds of things and turn out fine if people around you are willing be involved in how you process it. Then there's people who live in a vacuum and turn out worse because how naive they are to the world later.

My roommate's parents wouldn't let him watch jack without them and heavy editing.He's a real noob when comes to things sometimes because people joke he grew up in a bomb shelter like the movie blast from the past.I on the other hand grew up exposed to all kinds of violence(bullies, and gang bangers at school, as well various movies and video games.), and turned out fairly normal. I never killed or seriously harmed anyone. I only beat up people in self defense. It's all how you deal with it.

Rated M? Thats a video game rating in the states not a film rating. Transformers is PG-13, meaning kids under 13 need an adult to get them tickets. Meaning no it's not targetting solely kids. A few curse words and robots beating up each other isn't going turn anyone into a monster alone. There's far more to the equalization than simply what entertainment kids see that makes them who they are.

News Credits: 1 · by **vegetacron** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:30 am

RhA wrote:
I never said I was not going to find time for my children. I just said that I cannot control everything my children are exposed to and sure am not going to pre-screen everything they see on tv.

You can't help what they see on tv to an extent. As far as movies and video games, theres this WONDERFUL chunk of technology that exists out there, right now, called the "Internet" and these other nice little chunks of technology called "search engines" and you can go to one of these search engines and look up the title of a movie or game your child wants to see or play. From there, you can check to see if the material is rated and even read reviews and....lo and behold, come to websites and ask...to see if the content is safe for your kid and guess what... Takes only all of maybe 5-10 minutes to do so.

Here, if you want to find a film rating, go here: http://www.filmratings.com/filmRatings_Cara/#/home/

If you need video game ratings, go here: http://www.esrb.org/index-js.jsp

I'm sorry if i come off as a complete, sarcastic asshole about this, but i've seen my fair share of bad parents out there and when i see a potential 'bad' parent arguing and trying to justify their way of terrible, i can't help to interject. So, i've done the work for you here. Go to these links and bookmark them.

The next time little Johnny or little Suzie says "Mom/Dad! I wanna go see Transfomers" you can look it up. If the rating system doesn't work, take that extra 10 minutes to google the film or game and see what others are saying about it, other than "OMG IT WAS SOOO AWESOME!".

Back on topic, this IP came out in the 80s. A majority of the people who have money to go see movies nowadays are in their 30s. Guess what age they were when the Transformers first came out. This is why its more mature.

News Credits: 1 · by **RhA** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:37 am

vegetacron wrote:
RhA wrote:
I never said I was not going to find time for my children. I just said that I cannot control everything my children are exposed to and sure am not going to pre-screen everything they see on tv.

You can't help what they see on tv to an extent. As far as movies and video games, theres this WONDERFUL chunk of technology that exists out there, right now, called the "Internet" and these other nice little chunks of technology called "search engines" and you can go to one of these search engines and look up the title of a movie or game your child wants to see or play. From there, you can check to see if the material is rated and even read reviews and....lo and behold, come to websites and ask...to see if the content is safe for your kid and guess what... Takes only all of maybe 5-10 minutes to do so.

Here, if you want to find a film rating, go here: http://www.filmratings.com/filmRatings_Cara/#/home/

If you need video game ratings, go here: http://www.esrb.org/index-js.jsp

I'm sorry if i come off as a complete, sarcastic asshole about this, but i've seen my fair share of bad parents out there and when i see a potential 'bad' parent arguing and trying to justify their way of terrible, i can't help to interject. So, i've done the work for you here. Go to these links and bookmark them.

The next time little Johnny or little Suzie says "Mom/Dad! I wanna go see Transfomers" you can look it up. If the rating system doesn't work, take that extra 10 minutes to google the film or game and see what others are saying about it, other than "OMG IT WAS SOOO AWESOME!".

Back on topic, this IP came out in the 80s. A majority of the people who have money to go see movies nowadays are in their 30s. Guess what age they were when the Transformers first came out. This is why its more mature.

You missed my point and only replied to the opening of my argument.

Like I said, it's better to put things in perspective then to shield my children. Media can be screened, but reality is a lot harder and ultimately beyond my control.

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:35 am

You know, I had the same thoughts, I mean I didn't care for Q but his death was pretty shocking and you know harsh.
But yesterday I remembered how the G1 movie opened with an entire planet of people being eaten alive, so yea...

However, I have to agree on the thing that the Autobots where too brutal in this movie.

Sure, kill that Decepticon pilot, but Jesus Christ, kill him fast and don't ripp off bodyparts while he's still alive and take your sweet ass time killing him.
Seriously, the deaths of Q and Ironhide where faster and less agonizing than that guy's death, and they where killed by the bad guys.

Also, why did the Decepticons take prisoners in the first place? Autobots just execute everybody without even thinking about taking prisoners, while the bad guys didn't think of killing them before that human told them to? Seriously?

News Credits: 1 · by **vegetacron** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:51 am

Also, why did the Decepticons take prisoners in the first place? Autobots just execute everybody without even thinking about taking prisoners, while the bad guys didn't think of killing them before that human told them to? Seriously?

If ya ever read the comics, you'll notice that after the Decepticons capture an Autobot post or win a fight, if they have survivors, they like to do wicked mean **** to them to pass the time. Its a plot device to show the extreme hatred that both sides have for each other.

We'd all like to think that Autobots would have alot of compassion for their Decepticon brethren, which they do. Impactor got sent to G-9 for executing X Squadron, because it wasn't the way autobots conduct themselves. But Decepticons don't give a ****. They'll incapacitate ya and then take ya for hostage so they have something fun to do later on. Its what makes them evil and the 'big bad' of the franchise.

News Credits: 1 · by **vegetacron** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:57 am

War is hell. No matter if its fictional or not. There really is no "good guy" when it comes to war, because the means never justify the ends. We only remember the victor and if we agree to what was fought for and if the victor supports those ideals.

The american media doesn't cover what exactly our troops do, down to the detail, over seas. Alot of the **** you don't see would utterly disgust you and you wouldn't believe Americans capable of doing. But its what has to be done and thank god we don't see any of it, because me personally, i don't want to see it.

Its all cool and exciting when its fiction, but once you step into real life, thats a whole new world of '**** up' that you, me, nor the government wants the American public to deal with.

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:08 am

vegetacron wrote:
Also, why did the Decepticons take prisoners in the first place? Autobots just execute everybody without even thinking about taking prisoners, while the bad guys didn't think of killing them before that human told them to? Seriously?

If ya ever read the comics, you'll notice that after the Decepticons capture an Autobot post or win a fight, if they have survivors, they like to do wicked mean **** to them to pass the time. Its a plot device to show the extreme hatred that both sides have for each other.

We'd all like to think that Autobots would have alot of compassion for their Decepticon brethren, which they do. Impactor got sent to G-9 for executing X Squadron, because it wasn't the way autobots conduct themselves. But Decepticons don't give a ****. They'll incapacitate ya and then take ya for hostage so they have something fun to do later on. Its what makes them evil and the 'big bad' of the franchise.

Dude, those are G1 related comics, the movies however are a different entity, different characters, different Universe.

News Credits: 1 · by **No Death for Prowl** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:34 am

Dead Metal wrote:You know, I had the same thoughts, I mean I didn't care for Q but his death was pretty shocking and you know harsh.
But yesterday I remembered how the G1 movie opened with an entire planet of people being eaten alive, so yea...

However, I have to agree on the thing that the Autobots where too brutal in this movie.

Sure, kill that Decepticon pilot, but Jesus Christ, kill him fast and don't ripp off bodyparts while he's still alive and take your sweet ass time killing him.
Seriously, the deaths of Q and Ironhide where faster and less agonizing than that guy's death, and they where killed by the bad guys.

Also, why did the Decepticons take prisoners in the first place? Autobots just execute everybody without even thinking about taking prisoners, while the bad guys didn't think of killing them before that human told them to? Seriously?

It certainly seemed like Decepticons were more capable of showing mercy towards an Autobot than the other way around.

The Animated pic was far more shocking (and gutsy) than anything in the 3 live action movies.

A lighthearted cartoon romp turned into a massacre within minutes of characters we had adored for the last 2 years.

The final step in my therapy was making a profile pic of a scene that haunted me for 2 decades.

by **shamone** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:51 am

vegetacron wrote:War is hell. No matter if its fictional or not. There really is no "good guy" when it comes to war, because the means never justify the ends. We only remember the victor and if we agree to what was fought for and if the victor supports those ideals.

The american media doesn't cover what exactly our troops do, down to the detail, over seas. Alot of the **** you don't see would utterly disgust you and you wouldn't believe Americans capable of doing. But its what has to be done and thank god we don't see any of it, because me personally, i don't want to see it.

Its all cool and exciting when its fiction, but once you step into real life, thats a whole new world of **** up' that you, me, nor the government wants the American public to deal with.

yep war is written by the victors, and the victors are always written with whitewash.

by **shamone** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:16 pm

People using Aliens, Predator and Terminator as comparisons :shock:

Those three movies had 18 ratings over here, i assume nc-17 is your equivalent.

They were not based on established toylines and cartoons which were marketed to kids.

The toys were a result of the movies, not the other way around.

Im not saying that TF is a kids franchise, but the rating would suggest that it wasnt focused on adults. And the toys are sold in kids toy stores.

They are too violent and crude for kids no doubt, but should they be. Did the crudity or the violence add anything to the movie

News Credits: 7 · by **Noideaforaname** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:16 pm

Dead Metal wrote:Also, why did the Decepticons take prisoners in the first place? Autobots just execute everybody without even thinking about taking prisoners, while the bad guys didn't think of killing them before that human told them to? Seriously?

This is something that's been bugging me, too. We don't get any hint as to what these Cons were going to do to their prisoners besides preventing them from messing up their plan. I mean, they were probably eventually going to be killed regardless, but if there were plans for torture I'd imagine Barricade or someone would've spoken up (even just for Soundwave or whats-his-name to call torture inefficient).

by **shamone** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:21 pm

Noideaforaname wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:Also, why did the Decepticons take prisoners in the first place? Autobots just execute everybody without even thinking about taking prisoners, while the bad guys didn't think of killing them before that human told them to? Seriously?

This is something that's been bugging me, too. We don't get any hint as to what these Cons were going to do to their prisoners besides preventing them from messing up their plan. I mean, they were probably eventually going to be killed regardless, but if there were plans for torture I'd imagine Barricade or someone would've spoken up (even just for Soundwave or whats-his-name to call torture inefficient).

would have liked to see the action which led to their capture

News Credits: 1 · by **vegetacron** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:41 pm

Dead Metal wrote:Dude, those are G1 related comics, the movies however are a different entity, different characters, different Universe.

Yeah, it would be nice to think that everything is completely original and has its own unique little 'way of being', but thats just not the case here. They took elements, ideas, and etc from the source material.

What is the "source material"? G1 comics, cartoons, movies. From there, they created their own continuity.

Just because Megatron doesn't transform into a gun, just like the G1 continuity, doesn't mean that the story writers don't go back and draft that evil intent or maybe the shape of his head into the continuity they are creating.

I dunno if you got the idea yet or not, but virtually everything thats being done now a days is some idea from another idea with an original 'twist' added in to make it unique.

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:24 pm

vegetacron wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:Dude, those are G1 related comics, the movies however are a different entity, different characters, different Universe.

Yeah, it would be nice to think that everything is completely original and has its own unique little 'way of being', but thats just not the case here. They took elements, ideas, and etc from the source material.

What is the "source material"? G1 comics, cartoons, movies. From there, they created their own continuity.

Just because Megatron doesn't transform into a gun, just like the G1 continuity, doesn't mean that the story writers don't go back and draft that evil intent or maybe the shape of his head into the continuity they are creating.

I dunno if you got the idea yet or not, but virtually everything thats being done now a days is some idea from another idea with an original 'twist' added in to make it unique.

Don't reply till you understand that this is not G1.

News Credits: 1 · by **vegetacron** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:32 pm

Dead Metal wrote:Don't reply till you understand that this is not G1.

It isn't G1. I agree, but they borrowed ideas from G1 to make these movies. Thats what i'm tryin to point out here. RTFP!

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:36 pm

vegetacron wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:Don't reply till you understand that this is not G1.

It isn't G1. I agree, but they borrowed ideas from G1 to make these movies. Thats what i'm tryin to point out here. RTFP!

Oh no, seriously?! They borrowed ideas? Wow I thought it was Bay's idea to have two opposing factions of robots called Autobots and Decepticons that turn into stuff.

Borrowing ideas is not the same as being the exact same, Indiana Jones borrows a lot of elements from Tintin, Donald Duck and Scrooge McDuck comics, that doesn't mean that what's true in those comics is true for Indiana Jones.

by **dinogeist** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:04 pm

vegetacron wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:Don't reply till you understand that this is not G1.

It isn't G1. I agree, but they borrowed ideas from G1 to make these movies. Thats what i'm tryin to point out here. RTFP!

Similar to some new mold TF toys.

At best 2 2 replies above can more simply be explained as follow below.

the live action TF movies aren't updates.

the live action TF movies are homages.

Updated new mold TF toys hasbro/takara try their hardest to make it look like the original 1980's version. examples: Classics 1.0 deluxe rodimus,classics 2.0 deluxe cyclonus.

examples of new mold TF Homages are as follows: Cybertron Metroplex,energon Omega supreme

by **Iamwarhorse** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:24 pm

Noideaforaname wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:Also, why did the Decepticons take prisoners in the first place? Autobots just execute everybody without even thinking about taking prisoners, while the bad guys didn't think of killing them before that human told them to? Seriously?

This is something that's been bugging me, too. We don't get any hint as to what these Cons were going to do to their prisoners besides preventing them from messing up their plan. I mean, they were probably eventually going to be killed regardless, but if there were plans for torture I'd imagine Barricade or someone would've spoken up (even just for Soundwave or whats-his-name to call torture inefficient).

What? I guess you missed the scene where the Decepticons took out the space shuttle after the Autobots said they weren't going to fight. After that, I think Optimus's "Kill them all" was justified.

News Credits: 34 · by **Supreme Convoy** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:18 pm

Wouldn't you consider it just as violent as the first animated movie?

News Credits: 1 · by **vegetacron** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:35 pm

Dead Metal wrote:Dude, those are G1 related comics, the movies however are a different entity, different characters, different Universe.

Dead Metal wrote:Oh no, seriously?! They borrowed ideas? Wow I thought it was Bay's idea to have two opposing factions of robots called Autobots and Decepticons that turn into stuff.

Its like a Scotish Korean!

I want the drugs this guy is on. :roll:

by **OptiMagnus** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:52 am

Going back to the original subject:
1. If this movie series should be less violent and have a lower rating for young children who like Transformers, then doesn't this issue apply to G.I. Joe: Rise of the Cobra, Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith, Superman Returns, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, Green Lantern, Spiderman 1-3, the X-Men series, the Iron Man series, the Fantastic 4 series, the Hulk series, Captain America, Thor, do I have to name more? It's not like Transformers is the first film based on a "kid's" brand that was targeted at a more adult crowd. If PG-13 Transformers is a huge problem, then so are all these other films from kid-oriented origins.
2. Would you really rather see "Pixar presents: The Transformers. A warm family adventure about friendship and compassion. Rated G."? You see, the public has spoken in ticket sales in the films I mentioned above, so why would Transformers go along with Winnie the Pooh and Toy Story?
3. Isn't it still the parents' responsibility to not take their child to more adult movies? Shouldn't they know their children well enough to where they can decide if it's a good idea or not? Besides, all the movie trailers and toy commercials and giant displays at Toys R Us are enough to intrigue kids to buy movie-related Transformers toys. Hell, all that stuff got me to buy toys from films that were too mature for me at the time too. I wasn't thirteen yet when the first Spiderman film came out but I bought action figures anyway (although my parents did take me to see the movie, but I was mature enough).

News Credits: 5 · by **5150 Cruiser** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:44 am

OptiMagnus wrote:Going back to the original subject:
1. If this movie series should be less violent and have a lower rating for young children who like Transformers, then doesn't this issue apply to G.I. Joe: Rise of the Cobra, Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith, Superman Returns, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, Green Lantern, Spiderman 1-3, the X-Men series, the Iron Man series, the Fantastic 4 series, the Hulk series, Captain America, Thor, do I have to name more? It's not like Transformers is the first film based on a "kid's" brand that was targeted at a more adult crowd. If PG-13 Transformers is a huge problem, then so are all these other films from kid-oriented origins.
2. Would you really rather see "Pixar presents: The Transformers. A warm family adventure about friendship and compassion. Rated G."? You see, the public has spoken in ticket sales in the films I mentioned above, so why would Transformers go along with Winnie the Pooh and Toy Story?
3. Isn't it still the parents' responsibility to not take their child to more adult movies? Shouldn't they know their children well enough to where they can decide if it's a good idea or not? Besides, all the movie trailers and toy commercials and giant displays at Toys R Us are enough to intrigue kids to buy movie-related Transformers toys. Hell, all that stuff got me to buy toys from films that were too mature for me at the time too. I wasn't thirteen yet when the first Spiderman film came out but I bought action figures anyway (although my parents did take me to see the movie, but I was mature enough).

Yup.

The problem i have with this whole subject is that people asked for a darker more serious toned movie. We got one, and people still find something to complain about.