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Ultra Markus wrote:and another thing that article was an insult to every tf or sci-fi fan
"Hard-core fans represent a small piece of the viewing public, but they influence geek culture, journalists, Wall Street. You don't want them to trash your project." If these fans embrace a project, as they did 300 and Heroes, they can kick-start a hit."
what a bunch of B.S.
LuckytheWonderLlama wrote:Good article.
This movie is going to be great! Thanks to all the hard work that the crew put into it. I'm sorry that there are people out there that can not see beyond their own shallow expectations and do not understand that every incarnation of Transformers has been different than the one before it. Forgive those that have criticised your hard work all along. For they can do no better.
Ultra Markus wrote:and another thing that article was an insult to every tf or sci-fi fan
"Hard-core fans represent a small piece of the viewing public, but they influence geek culture, journalists, Wall Street. You don't want them to trash your project." If these fans embrace a project, as they did 300 and Heroes, they can kick-start a hit."
what a bunch of B.S.
1Big\"F\"ingRayOfSunshine wrote:
Exactly, what is the point of 25 years of canon if it is nothing but different universes and alternate timelines that rewrites itself as it see fit. Between the old marvel comic, the cartoon, the newer stuff there is no canon but merely origins and deaths that fit in with the current storyline at the time. People want to cry and whine because its different and the quote of "people fear change" is an ideal example of how a lot of the fandom is acting, a lot of people have had change of hearts and some are still adament but no matter who made the movie and who did the designs someone will always complain about something.
Edit: Theres a reason "they" are writing movies and "we" are on websites dissecting their every decision.
Ultra Markus wrote:and another thing that article was an insult to every tf or sci-fi fan
"Hard-core fans represent a small piece of the viewing public, but they influence geek culture, journalists, Wall Street. You don't want them to trash your project." If these fans embrace a project, as they did 300 and Heroes, they can kick-start a hit."
what a bunch of B.S.
D-340 wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:and another thing that article was an insult to every tf or sci-fi fan
"Hard-core fans represent a small piece of the viewing public, but they influence geek culture, journalists, Wall Street. You don't want them to trash your project." If these fans embrace a project, as they did 300 and Heroes, they can kick-start a hit."
what a bunch of B.S.
Actually it's no where near BS. This film, like most others are made for the general public. In this case, I'm actually kinda glad for certain changes. Yeah some of the designs suck, and the story isn't totally G1, but the movie if successful will make sure TF's are around even longer.
Let's look at Firefly. That was made totally for the fans, and it flopped. Now there's really nothing going on for it or the Serenity series. If TF went the same way, I'd hate to say it, that would kill the franchise. In truth, for this movie, we are a very small fraction of the audience, and if this fails you know Hasbro's would pull the plug on TF's all together. I guess I'm saying I'd rather deal with some change if it's gonna create longevity for the fanchise as whole.
Salazaar wrote:GetterDragun wrote:We got Cullen in Time Magazine. Mission accomplished.
Hugo Weaving playing a frozen metal vagina. Mission accomplished!
AbsumZer0 wrote:D-340 wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:and another thing that article was an insult to every tf or sci-fi fan
"Hard-core fans represent a small piece of the viewing public, but they influence geek culture, journalists, Wall Street. You don't want them to trash your project." If these fans embrace a project, as they did 300 and Heroes, they can kick-start a hit."
what a bunch of B.S.
Actually it's no where near BS. This film, like most others are made for the general public. In this case, I'm actually kinda glad for certain changes. Yeah some of the designs suck, and the story isn't totally G1, but the movie if successful will make sure TF's are around even longer.
Let's look at Firefly. That was made totally for the fans, and it flopped. Now there's really nothing going on for it or the Serenity series. If TF went the same way, I'd hate to say it, that would kill the franchise. In truth, for this movie, we are a very small fraction of the audience, and if this fails you know Hasbro's would pull the plug on TF's all together. I guess I'm saying I'd rather deal with some change if it's gonna create longevity for the fanchise as whole.
Serenity is probably a bad example as it was based on a television show with a small cult following that lasted less than a full season to begin with, whereas adaptations of comics are generally less accessible to the mainstream than a primetime t.v. show.
I agree that certain changes were necessary to making a successful film adaptation but it's a matter of what is changed. Removing the mass shifting was probably necessary but replacing energon with a magical relic... that's questionable. There's a fine line between organic web-shooters and turning King Koopa and his goombas into dino-men and by ignoring fan input that line is far too easy to tread over.
It's because that was one of the few thing they listened to the fans about. Anybody that knows peanuts about TFs knows that energon is their food, so to speak, not their source of life. I believe at one point, they were even considering calling it the Matrix, but didn't want to confuse standard moviegoers into thinking that it had any relation to the movie trillogy of the same name (Why they couldn't call it the Autobot Matrix of Leadership, ot the Creation Matrix or something like that is beyond me), so instead they referenced something in the TF mythos that, IIRC was a source of life for TFs, which is essentially what they were going for storywise anyway.Leonardo wrote:Salazaar wrote:GetterDragun wrote:We got Cullen in Time Magazine. Mission accomplished.
Hugo Weaving playing a frozen metal vagina. Mission accomplished!
That's terribly crass. How does Megatron resemble a vagina?
Anyway, I find it hard to believe that the fans had a significant effect on the movie. That just isn't the way films work. However, if we have had some effect, that's a good thing. Maybe that even means the film could have been worse.
Perosnally, I'm glad we have new stuff. I'm glad there's a new continuity. I'm not keen on all of the designs but I like most of them.
I certainly don't see this film as being as far removed from its core as Super Mario Bros., though why they changed the simple energon idea into the Allspark cube is beyond me.
Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:It's because that was one of the few thing they listened to the fans about. Anybody that knows peanuts about TFs knows that energon is their food, so to speak, not their source of life. I believe at one point, they were even considering calling it the Matrix, but didn't want to confuse standard moviegoers into thinking that it had any relation to the movie trillogy of the same name (Why they couldn't call it the Autobot Matrix of Leadership, ot the Creation Matrix or something like that is beyond me), so instead they referenced something in the TF mythos that, IIRC was a source of life for TFs, which is essentially what they were going for storywise anyway.Leonardo wrote:Salazaar wrote:GetterDragun wrote:We got Cullen in Time Magazine. Mission accomplished.
Hugo Weaving playing a frozen metal vagina. Mission accomplished!
That's terribly crass. How does Megatron resemble a vagina?
Anyway, I find it hard to believe that the fans had a significant effect on the movie. That just isn't the way films work. However, if we have had some effect, that's a good thing. Maybe that even means the film could have been worse.
Perosnally, I'm glad we have new stuff. I'm glad there's a new continuity. I'm not keen on all of the designs but I like most of them.
I certainly don't see this film as being as far removed from its core as Super Mario Bros., though why they changed the simple energon idea into the Allspark cube is beyond me.
....Would've been nice if they managed to figure this stuff out before they made the Allspark just a black cube.....
.....BTW, considering how much Bay has been trashing the older "blocky" designs of the previous TF designs, anybody else find it kind of funny that all these overly-complicated non-blocky Bayformers are searching for a simple cube....the very essence of "block"??
decepticon_king wrote:Anybody else not a fan of the whole "Prime/Megs ruled Cybertron together"? Cos I'm not
Seeing your post count allow me to be the first to welcome you here to Seibertron.com! Anyways, I don't know if you know but Bumblebee isn't a Volkswagon because Michael Bay thinks Volkswagon is too much "Herbie the Love Bug" thing. Now in my opinion I think anyone who knew hardly anything about Transformers would look at a Volkswagon and know it's Bumblebee.Ultra Convoy wrote:The fan involment of Transformers the Movie (2007) was little. The only thing that they barely keep the same was Prime. i can understand that Bumblebee alt mode is a camero instead of a VW Bug. I wish Bumblebee alt mode was a Mini Cooper. Starscream look like a Beast Wars reject from the anime Beast Wars series.
Fireblast wrote:Seeing your post count allow me to be the first to welcome you here to Seibertron.com! Anyways, I don't know if you know but Bumblebee isn't a Volkswagon because Michael Bay thinks Volkswagon is too much "Herbie the Love Bug" thing. Now in my opinion I think anyone who knew hardly anything about Transformers would look at a Volkswagon and know it's Bumblebee.Ultra Convoy wrote:The fan involment of Transformers the Movie (2007) was little. The only thing that they barely keep the same was Prime. i can understand that Bumblebee alt mode is a camero instead of a VW Bug. I wish Bumblebee alt mode was a Mini Cooper. Starscream look like a Beast Wars reject from the anime Beast Wars series.
On another hand when I wanted a new Transformer movie I specifically rather see recognizable characters than a bajillion of moving parts forming an ape-chicken-pig hybrid.
Electron wrote:sledge your comments are like a fat chick raping a hot dog, its unpleasent to watch but in the end its gonna happen
Mr O wrote:I'm part Irish, part Scottish, very Welsh, mostly drunk, somewhat Transformers nerd and all bastard.
Electron wrote:sledge your comments are like a fat chick raping a hot dog, its unpleasent to watch but in the end its gonna happen
Mr O wrote:I'm part Irish, part Scottish, very Welsh, mostly drunk, somewhat Transformers nerd and all bastard.
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