Top 5 Best Grimlock Transformers toys

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Re: Top 5 Best Grimlock Transformers toys

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:20 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:I wasn't really meaning it as an excuse, there's nothing wrong with War Within or the early IDW.
Didn't mean to imply you were, sorry. I'm just amused by the wording making it sound like one, and by how many things it could be used for. Read the last line of my previous post for an example.
I got it. I just wanted to make it clear I'm not one of the Furman apologists. Sure, he went of the rails a bit later on, but his Dreamwave stuff was on point. I just wish he was allowed to finish it. War Within, at least.

Anyway, back to Grimlock. Why on Earth would the green guy be called Grimlock in Robots in Disguise instead of say, Scoop or something, since he was a construction vehicle? I know they were going for different stuff, and the figure itself isn't bad, but should not have been called Grimlock.
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Re: Top 5 Best Grimlock Transformers toys

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:34 am

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:I wasn't really meaning it as an excuse, there's nothing wrong with War Within or the early IDW.
Didn't mean to imply you were, sorry. I'm just amused by the wording making it sound like one, and by how many things it could be used for. Read the last line of my previous post for an example.
I got it. I just wanted to make it clear I'm not one of the Furman apologists. Sure, he went of the rails a bit later on, but his Dreamwave stuff was on point. I just wish he was allowed to finish it. War Within, at least.

Anyway, back to Grimlock. Why on Earth would the green guy be called Grimlock in Robots in Disguise instead of say, Scoop or something, since he was a construction vehicle? I know they were going for different stuff, and the figure itself isn't bad, but should not have been called Grimlock.
His robot mode head has a kinda-similar visor, it touches on the idea of kids perceiving earth-movers as mechanical dinosaurs, and last but DEFINITELY not least: So that Hasbro would not lose their trademark on the name Grimlock.
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Re: Top 5 Best Grimlock Transformers toys

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:44 am

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The show had the Predacons, who were beasts, so why couldn't the good guys have beasts as well? Not call them Autobots, but something else? Dinobots would have worked. They would have been perfect foils to the Predacons, while the Autobots faced off with the Decepticons.
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Re: Top 5 Best Grimlock Transformers toys

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:48 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:The show had the Predacons, who were beasts, so why couldn't the good guys have beasts as well? Not call them Aitobots, but something else? Dinobots would have worked. They would have been perfect foils to the Predacons, while the Autobots faced off with the Decepticons.
You do realize that Aaron Archer had no control over who got used in the show (it wasn't a collaboration like the Unicron Trilogy) and the character was called something else ("Build Hurricane") in the original Japanese version, right?
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Re: Top 5 Best Grimlock Transformers toys

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:00 am

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:The show had the Predacons, who were beasts, so why couldn't the good guys have beasts as well? Not call them Aitobots, but something else? Dinobots would have worked. They would have been perfect foils to the Predacons, while the Autobots faced off with the Decepticons.
You do realize that Aaron Archer had no control over who got used in the show (it wasn't a collaboration like the Unicron Trilogy) and the character was called something else ("Build Hurricane") in the original Japanese version, right?
Yeah, the Japanese version made sense. There were no Dinobots, so there shouldn't have been a character called Grimlock. Whoever was in charge of renaming them for the American version needs a kick in the ass. And I didn't say **** about Archer, I don't know why you brought him up.
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Re: Top 5 Best Grimlock Transformers toys

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:47 am

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:The show had the Predacons, who were beasts, so why couldn't the good guys have beasts as well? Not call them Aitobots, but something else? Dinobots would have worked. They would have been perfect foils to the Predacons, while the Autobots faced off with the Decepticons.
You do realize that Aaron Archer had no control over who got used in the show (it wasn't a collaboration like the Unicron Trilogy) and the character was called something else ("Build Hurricane") in the original Japanese version, right?
Yeah, the Japanese version made sense. There were no Dinobots, so there shouldn't have been a character called Grimlock. Whoever was in charge of renaming them for the American version needs a kick in the ass. And I didn't say **** about Archer, I don't know why you brought him up.
Here's why I brought him up:

Reason one:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Whoever was in charge of renaming them for the American version
To the best of my knowledge that was, in fact, Aaron Archer. If it was someone else in charge of that at the time, somebody please tell me who.

Reason two:
Rodimus Prime wrote:The show had the Predacons, who were beasts, so why couldn't the good guys have beasts as well? Not call them Aitobots, but something else? Dinobots would have worked. They would have been perfect foils to the Predacons, while the Autobots faced off with the Decepticons.
Your saying this seemed to imply you thought that whoever who chose the name "Grimlock" for the character - again, to the best of my knowledge that was Aaron Archer - had control of who was in the show. If that was not in fact what you meant, I apologize.

Thinking about what else you could have meant... I will say that with the exception of Air Attack Optimus Primal (a blatant BM leftover who couldn't really be packaged as a baddy), the US toyline maintained the show's distinction of all the beasts being baddies (Bruticus, another BM leftover (and another trademark benchwarmer) who would have been a Maximal in that line, ended up a Predacon in RID). Possibly because the bad guy beasts were already recycling Beast Wars molds and Hasbro would have had to do the same to give the good guys beasts (at least, as far as dinosaurs are concerned).
They did ultimately do a "Dinobots" sideline (that was years later declared to be part of RiD) but that took til 2003.

And, well, I don't think they were comfortable with leaving the trademark on Grimlock's name undefended in the mean time. It's what I call "trademark benchwarming" and I doubt it's ever going away.
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Re: Top 5 Best Grimlock Transformers toys

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:47 am

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:The show had the Predacons, who were beasts, so why couldn't the good guys have beasts as well? Not call them Aitobots, but something else? Dinobots would have worked. They would have been perfect foils to the Predacons, while the Autobots faced off with the Decepticons.
You do realize that Aaron Archer had no control over who got used in the show (it wasn't a collaboration like the Unicron Trilogy) and the character was called something else ("Build Hurricane") in the original Japanese version, right?
Yeah, the Japanese version made sense. There were no Dinobots, so there shouldn't have been a character called Grimlock. Whoever was in charge of renaming them for the American version needs a kick in the ass. And I didn't say **** about Archer, I don't know why you brought him up.
Here's why I brought him up:

Reason one:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Whoever was in charge of renaming them for the American version
To the best of my knowledge that was, in fact, Aaron Archer. If it was someone else in charge of that at the time, somebody please tell me who.
But the quote you put in bold was stated after you mentioned Archer. I said nothing about the people in charge at the time.
Reason two:
Rodimus Prime wrote:The show had the Predacons, who were beasts, so why couldn't the good guys have beasts as well? Not call them Aitobots, but something else? Dinobots would have worked. They would have been perfect foils to the Predacons, while the Autobots faced off with the Decepticons.
Your saying this seemed to imply you thought that whoever who chose the name "Grimlock" for the character - again, to the best of my knowledge that was Aaron Archer - had control of who was in the show. If that was not in fact what you meant, I apologize.
Well, let's get this straight. The show was made (written, animated and voiced) in Japan first. Correct? If so, did Hasbro (and by extension, Archer) have any say in any aspect of it? Or was Hasbro basically forced to take whatever the japs churned out and just rewrite the story and dub it in English? If so, then whoever was in charge of giving the characters their American names is at fault for naming a green construction vehicle Grimlock. Yes, I know why, to keep the trademark. But was there no cooperation between Takara and Hasbro at all? Couldn't Archer say 'Hey, we want to use the name Grimlock, can you put a dinosaur in there for the good guys?' Or if we go by your point of recycling BW molds, it was a perfect opportunity to bring in Dinobot and name him Grimlock, the name of the character that inspired him. Even if it would have been weird that he was the only good guy beast in the cast.
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Re: Top 5 Best Grimlock Transformers toys

Postby Omegatron. » Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:41 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Well, let's get this straight. The show was made (written, animated and voiced) in Japan first. Correct? If so, did Hasbro (and by extension, Archer) have any say in any aspect of it? Or was Hasbro basically forced to take whatever the japs churned out and just rewrite the story and dub it in English?


The latter, Hasbro was completely uninvolved with the production of RID. They weren't even going to use it originally, they only brought it over (a year after it was finished) when the line they were working on at the time was scrapped. They would have had no opportunity or motivation to ask Takara to include specific toys.

Also keep in mind that at the time no one cared whether or not characters with reused names resembled their original counterparts in any way, this was hardly limited to just Grimlock.
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Re: Top 5 Best Grimlock Transformers toys

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:08 am

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Okay, so they just threw out some names, and wherever they landed, they were used by those characters. With the exception of Optimus and Megatron, of course. So RID Grimlock could have been pretty much anyone on the show.
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Re: Top 5 Best Grimlock Transformers toys

Postby ScottyP » Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:17 am

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No arguing with the top of the list, MP-8 still king!

I feel like the Classics/Henkei tooling has aged well when taken strictly as an update of the inner Pretender Grimlock. I know that one was a disappointment to many for a while, but now that bigger, more '85-like updates exist it's easier to appreciate what that one did right. It certainly still has issues but I like it more than say the Studio Series one.
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Re: Top 5 Best Grimlock Transformers toys

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Tue Apr 28, 2020 7:07 am

I like Classics / Henkei Grimmy a lot too. He's a fun toy. Yeah, he's WAY too small, but aside from that I like him a lot. The look, the posability ... just an overall good figure IMO.
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