The Energon Pub

News Credits: 14 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:19 am

Wooh! An honor to have my photo featured in this article~

News Credits: 4880 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:31 am

Tigerhawk7109 wrote:Glad to see that I helped!

Yeah man, for sure!

Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:59 am

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:You didn't say you had multiple Cyclonus variants, you said you had multiple Jetstorm variants.

I have both. As noted in the 'toy haul' and 'on your desk threads'.

And are either of those this thread? No. I was responding to the information you provided in this thread, because that was immediately at hand. In this thread, you only mentioned having BM Jetstorm variants.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Still waiting on your explanation for how he resembles G1 Jetfire more, by the way.

When his design always screamed Jetfire to me: All he was missing was a Jetfire paint job.

Fine, but what about it screamed "Jetfire"? I'm having a hard time seeing it. :-?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:And I know that that's a different mold. I even said it was.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Then why even bring up the smaller Jetstorm? Let alone argue over it? It is a weird hill to die on.

I initially brought it up because it was a Jetfire-inspired redeco (albeit toy-based rather than cartoon-based) of a BM Jetstorm toy.
I'm arguing over it because you claim that it somehow looks more like Strafe and I don't see how you can justify that claim.

1)So baiting then? Lucky me to fall for it, I guess

No, it wasn't baiting... I just thought Storm Jet worth mentioning because you brought up the subject of BM Jetstorm being repainted into Jetfire. Storm Jet is the closest we've had to that, so I thought it was relevant...

It turned into an argument because you responded with a claim that went right into DOES NOT COMPUTE territory for me. :HEADHURTS:

Your claim that Storm Jet somehow resembles Strafe more than he resembles the original Jetfire toy makes about as much sense to me as a claim that G2 Slingshot is the most durable Transformer of all time. :HEADHURTS:

Like, how even? :HEADHURTS:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:2)Because I own the figures and know what I'm talking about. The End.

Well, then I guess from my perspective it ends on a confusing cliffhanger.

Here's why your claim makes no sense to me:
G1 Jetfire's toy colors: White, red, black
G1 Strafe's colors: White, red, orange
RiD Storm Jet's colors: White, red, black
And additionally, here's how their vehicle modes compare:

Storm Jet's altmode, colors, and color layout have a lot in common with Jetfire's toy. Strafe's, not so much.

So I just... Without some sort of in-depth explanation, I can't see how you can justifiably say that the resemblance to Strafe is greater. :???:

It completely baffles me. :HEADHURTS:

News Credits: 6 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:10 am

Cliffhanger ending it is then.

Just get someone to photshop Jetfire's colours on Ultra Class Jetstorm, in answer to my original post.

News Credits: 1350 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:12 am

Couldn't you just photoshop Jetfire's colours on any jet and say it's a resemblance? There's no design cues on jetstorm that invoke Jetfire. Though, jetstorm did always remind me of one of the other macross mecha in vehicle mode. I think the one the rival used in Macross Plus. Purely for the shape of the wings.

Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:15 am

This was a fun list! I like how different yet really solid all the versions you chose are, and that Thrilling 30 Jetfire still tempts me even with my Siege version. Something about the Valkyrie fighter jet is just so timeless, clearly since it made No.1 :BOWDOWN:

News Credits: 3 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:04 pm

I'm really hoping that after that Armada Optimus gets released (if it ever is at this point) that we will get a compatible Jetfire update as well.

News Credits: 1 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:56 pm

Siege Jetfire is the best in my opinion. Excellent G1 cartoon accuracy.

And I kind of wish they'd revive the "Skyfire" name somewhere down the line.

News Credits: 20 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:02 pm

Nice list! Jetfire has so many good toys, and these are really the cream of the crop. Knowing how much you love G1 Jetfire, WJ88 (having read your praises in other threads), I'm not at all surprised to see him at #1. I'm glad to see T30 Jetfire ultimately made the list as well. ;)^

I'd like to give an honorable mention to my boy Animated Jetfire. Probably not top 5 worthy, but he's a fun figure and his ability to combine with Jetstorm was cool (when it held together).

Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:05 pm

bluecatcinema wrote:Siege Jetfire is the best in my opinion. Excellent G1 cartoon accuracy.

And I kind of wish they'd revive the "Skyfire" name somewhere down the line.

Well, that depends on whether whoever had the trademark at the time of Energon has let it lapse.

News Credits: 131 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:32 pm

There is a whole lot of fückery going on here.

My top five.

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In all seriousness, I prefer T30 over Siege (I'm a toy accuracy guy, sue me). They both have different pros and cons. They both seem too simple for their size and neither does a good job of hiding all the robit parts. I feel the T30 is about as sleek as you can get at that price point and Siege has that big blocky G1 space jet thing going on.

Ultimately I feel like we're comparing apples and oranges. T30 looks more like Jetfire to me (which is to say he looks like a toy from the Macross line) and fits on my Neo G1 shelf. Siege has that toon thing going on and is hanging with the MPs. I think the part of the problem for me is that we still don't have a definitive Jetfire yet.

News Credits: 1 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:48 pm

A lot of Siege toys seem too large for my collection and preferences. Jetfire is as large as a combiner! I know he was that large in the G1 cartoon, but I've never really liked how the cartoon sizes things. I like how 30th Jetfire (and YotS Omega Supreme for that matter) are sized relative to others TFs.

And now, to be a total hypocrite....

This guy will forever by my Decepticon Jetfire. Not because he scales well. I just think the colours are fantastic. I also like the mould even if it's really showing it's age these days.

News Credits: 1350 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:35 pm

It's amazing how Decepticons can wear purple and black. I like Universe Stormcloud for that reason.

News Credits: 6 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:54 pm

Gauntlet101010 wrote:A lot of Siege toys seem too large for my collection and preferences. Jetfire is as large as a combiner! I know he was that large in the G1 cartoon, but I've never really liked how the cartoon sizes things. I like how 30th Jetfire (and YotS Omega Supreme for that matter) are sized relative to others TFs.

And now, to be a total hypocrite....

This guy will forever by my Decepticon Jetfire. Not because he scales well. I just think the colours are fantastic. I also like the mould even if it's really showing it's age these days.

Now that, Perhaps as a Redeco for the SIEGE figure, could be Skyfire.

Is Jetfire's overall lack of prominence exclusively due to the whole Macross likeness thing?

News Credits: 6 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:03 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:Couldn't you just photoshop Jetfire's colours on any jet and say it's a resemblance? There's no design cues on jetstorm that invoke Jetfire. Though, jetstorm did always remind me of one of the other macross mecha in vehicle mode. I think the one the rival used in Macross Plus. Purely for the shape of the wings.

Weird how few pics there are of Jetstorm with his guns up, but this is what I'm referring to. :???:

Anyway, this should give a clearer semblance to what I'm talking about. Simply reverse the angle of the wings and boom, Jetfire!

News Credits: 1350 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:13 pm

Right, okay, I can see where you're coming from now. Still don't personally think it would have worked for Jetfire but I can see why you would.

News Credits: 6 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:25 pm

To me, the Vehicons of Beast Machines had True Cybertronian modes, without any overt human-like features. Which is why a few of them I saw as redecos of other characters. Blastcharge for example, I saw as Hardhead or Hoist/Trailbreaker. Yet, as we all know, G1 redecos weren't all that popular during the Beast Era. So some were missed opportunities, sadly.

Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:26 pm

Alright, now I see what you're getting at with the Jetfire resemblance ANSR. But not about the Strafe thing

Carytheone, this list isn't limited to G1 Jetfire and one of your suggestions doesn't even transform. And IMO Classics/Henkei > T30/Legends. I think it does the Macross homage better in terms of transformation and play value (and aesthetically in terms of the accessories). Whereas the T30/Legends version ends up inferior to not only that but the original Valkyrie toy it's trying to imitate, because of the unintegrated transformation and static antennae on the mask; in trying to be both G1 toy and G1 cartoon, it ends up not being too good at either.

News Credits: 6 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:29 pm

So I take it no one liked the Animated Jetfire then? As I see no mention of it in two pages, so far.

News Credits: 131 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:36 pm

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Carytheone, this list isn't limited to G1 Jetfire and one of your suggestions doesn't even transform.

It's just like my opinion man and in my opinion the only Jetfire that matters is G1 toy Jetfire.

My list is also obviously trolly bullshit. I purposely picked bad representations with T30 being the top spot.

I own T30 and Siege and I like T30 better, but I also like Siege just fine. To me they are both good toys in different ways.

Also, why are you trying to talk everyone out of liking T30 Jetfire so bad. You've been going on about it for days in several places. Sup with that? Can't we have different opinions?

Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:39 pm

I like Animated Jetfire, at least based on what I've seen and heard.

carytheone wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Carytheone, this list isn't limited to G1 Jetfire and one of your suggestions doesn't even transform.
It's just like my opinion man and in my opinion the only Jetfire that matters is G1 toy Jetfire.

My list is also obviously trolly bullshit. I purposely picked bad representations with T30 being the top spot. I own T30 and Siege and I like T30 better, but I also like Siege just fine. To me they are both good toys in different ways.

Also, why are you trying to talk everyone out of liking T30 Jetfire so bad. You've been going on about it for days in several places. Sup with that? Can't we have different opinions?

You can, it's just... It's been really bugging me to see people glamorizing T30 Jetfire and minimizing its flaws, while simultaneously talking as if SIEGE Jetfire was no more complex than Cybertron Thundercracker and outright ignoring the Classics Voyager's existence. That feels like it crosses from disliking them, into smearing one and shunning the other. And that makes me want to push back by mercilessly pointing out everything wrong with the T30 toy while also pointing out how the Classics Voyager exists and shares a lot of its positive qualities.

News Credits: 1350 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:40 pm

I'm sure someone else had mentioned them :-?

News Credits: 241 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:56 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:So I take it no one liked the Animated Jetfire then? As I see no mention of it in two pages, so far.

He's pretty ok, but the clear plastic used in his and his twin's construction brings it down a bit.

I'm happy Energon Skyblast and RiD 2001 Skyfire got mentioned in the thread, I'm even embarrassed to have forgotten about RiD 2001 Storm Jet. :oops:

News Credits: 8 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:04 pm

Honestly, I am disappointed the original Classics Jetfire is not on that list. I would have ranked it over any of the UT figures. Its not a perfect representation, but it is a fantastically fun toy.

You mentioned the T30 Jetfire as having Chromed guns as a good thing, its funny to me, so many people actually preferred the Takara because it didn't have the chrome that flaked off so easily

News Credits: 6 · Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:06 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:So I take it no one liked the Animated Jetfire then? As I see no mention of it in two pages, so far.

He's pretty ok, but the clear plastic used in his and his twin's construction brings it down a bit.