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-Kanrabat- wrote:
Appart Energon Sharkticon, Cybertron Soundwave is also good, despite the backpack flaw. It also come with a nice exclusive Lazerbeak minicon. Mine is in storage due to lack of space.
Overcracker wrote:cybertron Soundwave is not a cybertronian based air vehicle. Its very much earth based. He's close to a Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk.
Rodimus Prime wrote:You can't make me disappear. I am not feet.
OptimalOptimus2 wrote:2007 Movie Megatron
Ultra Markus wrote:its funny how the list forgets one of the most obvious characters that would have easily made the top five like Jetfire G1 or generations or even unicron trilogy
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
Overcracker wrote:
Cybertron Unicron, is not even an air vehicle. His is decidedly a land vehicle, with treads and wheels.
A Cybetronian Land vehicle, but a land vehicle.
[BW] Rainmaker wrote:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:2007 Movie Megatron
No, not for Will anyways.
Tigertrack wrote:Great list with some excellent suggestions. I was always partial to G1 Strafe. The Decepticon Targetmaster Misfire is another that I really like with a Cybertronian flying vehicle kind of alt mode.
Can't argue them over what you have though. Nice job man!
Emerje wrote:Overcracker wrote:cybertron Soundwave is not a cybertronian based air vehicle. Its very much earth based. He's close to a Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk.
A lot of Cybertronian alt modes are based loosely on real world aircraft, but nobody will mistake Cybertron Soundwave for something that came from Earth. Though technically he's a Planet X alt mode.
Amelie wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:its funny how the list forgets one of the most obvious characters that would have easily made the top five like Jetfire G1 or generations or even unicron trilogy
G1 Jetfire\Macross Valkyrie is based off an F-14 Tomcat. Which is a real plane
Great list Will - I'll chime in later with my own once I've gathered all the pics
Ultra Markus wrote:uh no he is not! sure they used the robectech toy for his release but he is supposed to be a cybertronian jetand also the only similar aspect of a F-14 Tomcat is the wings so its not really based of anything so again i say Jetfire was supposed to be there
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
[BW] Rainmaker wrote:Cybertronian vehicles have to be loosely based on something from Earth or it will look like a bunch of junk to us.
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
Amelie wrote:[BW] Rainmaker wrote:Cybertronian vehicles have to be loosely based on something from Earth or it will look like a bunch of junk to us.
I don't really agree with that at all... Loads of very cool designs have come out of throwing out the rule-book.
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william-james88 wrote:Amelie wrote:[BW] Rainmaker wrote:Cybertronian vehicles have to be loosely based on something from Earth or it will look like a bunch of junk to us.
I don't really agree with that at all... Loads of very cool designs have come out of throwing out the rule-book.
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And you know there is also...the examples found in my list... right?
But yeah, a big factor in what I chose for this list is that these should look otherwordly without being lazy. Vector Prime would be the best example of this. He isn't based on anything related to earth, which I described in the article.
And its why I didnt even think og figures like G1 Jetfire, they werent otherworldy enough for a list where I try to show the potential of exploring a cybertronian aesthetic.
william-james88 wrote:TK415 wrote:WJ would you mind providing a list of some of the other contenders? So we could see some of the good ones from other lines?
My only other contenders were the ones I wrote about in the honourable mentions. Every single other toy I felt had problems that left it off the list. Both the alt mode and robot mode have to look good and hold up and I liked conversions which highlighted intergration, like Vector Prime's wings becoming a cape and his chest being prominent in alt mode while still being part of it.
But we could look back on others to see what else the TF line had to offer. It's not a complete list but it gives an idea.
G1 had some like Star Sabre, but I am just not fond of that full alt mode, it's so wide. I am also not too fond of Sky Garry's alt mode. Strafe is ok but very simplistic since he's a combiner component (Scattershot works better as a figure which can also stand alone). And to me, only Universe Cylonus accomlishes a good robot mode and alt mode with less sacrifices than the others (like the CW version which had horrid undercarriage).
In the Energon line, we had Wing Sabre, whos alt mode was really not good and we also had Slugslinger (who also had a G1 toy), but his conversion is really annoying and he is probably the most fiddly transformer after MP Megatron.
Speaking of Megatron, there is his first movie toy, his animated toys and his prime toy, which have all appeared on previous lists, along with the Fallen, and not for the best reasonsI do like his Prime Commander class toy for some reason, I am really impressed with how they still managed an alt mode from a toy which has 0 kibble. He was on a list too.
For the seekers, there are some versions of them with cybertronian modes, like the WFC mold and the Ttanium mold but I felt both were a far cry from what Takara accomplished with the design for the Galaxy Force figure. And speaking of WFC, there was that shockwave toy though it doesnt really look like much of a flying vehicle to me.And there were some of the bruticus components, but I really dislike that era of transformers in general, the plastic felt so frail and cheap. They just didnt feel like quality toys, I am glad we are over that.
Oh and there is also Cybertron Soundwave who is an interesting take on the character, and not a bad toy at all. But not as good as the others. And would the Cybertron Unicron count? He looked more like a hovering scarab than a flying one. Would hovering count? In any case, he didnt make the discussion.
Sorry if it got long but I hope that gives you a good idea of the other stuff out there.
william-james88 wrote:Amelie wrote:[BW] Rainmaker wrote:Cybertronian vehicles have to be loosely based on something from Earth or it will look like a bunch of junk to us.
I don't really agree with that at all... Loads of very cool designs have come out of throwing out the rule-book.
[Bunch of cool images to show a bunch of other examples we didn't mention yet]
And you know there is also...the examples found in my list... right?
But yeah, a big factor in what I chose for this list is that these should look otherwordly without being lazy. Vector Prime would be the best example of this. He isn't based on anything related to earth, which I described in the article.
And its why I didnt even think og figures like G1 Jetfire, they werent otherworldy enough for a list where I try to show the potential of exploring a cybertronian aesthetic.
Ultra Markus wrote:should have went with supreme starscream, if not at least an honorable mention which these did not
Emerje wrote:
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